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I started playing SC2 about two weeks ago. Went 40-25 or something as Terran in 1v1 and hit Diamond; I've been hovering from #5-20 on the Diamond ladder for about 20 or 30 games since then. Note: I am very bad at this game. (My average APM is ~50.)
Strategy against all races: No gas, 6 rax 1 base all-in, hit at 6:30-6:45 with ~25 marines. I do this every single game, and I'd say at least 90% of my games I didn't get gas/any units other than Marines. I also never scout, except for position on four player maps or for proxies vs. Protoss.
My plan is to hit before their tech is ready, and if they expanded they're done for. I lost most of my games when I destroyed their army and most of their workers, but ended up losing the game even with an advantage due to being bad and having no idea how to play this game - I don't even know the Terran tech tree.
Scouting my strat is difficult because I use an incomplete depot to wall before scouts get there, use my marines to defend against overlords, and build five of my barracks way away from my CC so if I get scanned they don't show. I think most players assume I'm fast expanding or banshee rushing.
Again, I recognize that I'm bad at this game but I'm having a pretty good time with this and would just like to be better at it. (I'm beating high diamond and masters players and I find that to be pretty lolzy.) I can feel myself getting better at playing it out, and I think that will come with more experience, but I'd just like to know if there are any specific build order changes I should make.
Build Order:
I have no idea how to transcribe build orders in standard format, but basically, I constantly make SCVs, Barracks at 12 (start Marines immediately), Orbital at 16, 4 Barracks at 600 minerals, 1 Barracks at 150 minerals. Cut SCV production when the four Barracks finish, move out with some SCVs at 6:40 or so, whenever a wave of Marines pop out.
I'd like to know just how many SCVs I can pull off the line while still having enough to produce Marines six at a time, but haven't tested it or done the math so I just pull a "bunch" (5-10).
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http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=member_replays&member_id=217304
TL;DR: I just started playing and am awful at this game, but am near the top of the ladder by using the same cheese rush. Can you help me optimize it?
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Don't you think you'd have a lot of fun learning some macro builds and not just 1 silly all in that will never get you much further than you are? But if you just care about the rank and having fun anyway that's fine to lol I just think you're missing out on a LOT this game has to offer
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To each his own. Cheesing can be a lot of fun and requires excellent micro and macro. Not sure if you based your build on TLO's version, but if not, it's worth checking out. Not sure if it still works with HotS, I haven't tried it in awhile, but take a look:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/6Rax_Allin
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On May 28 2013 06:08 igay wrote:
Don't you think you'd have a lot of fun learning some macro builds and not just 1 silly all in that will never get you much further than you are? But if you just care about the rank and having fun anyway that's fine to lol I just think you're missing out on a LOT this game has to offer
I think I could get further than I am with this one strat if I wasn't so very bad at this game. A bunch of my losses were due to complete, utter badness on my part, not with weakness in the strategy. I'll be able to minimize those losses significantly with practice.
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On May 28 2013 06:13 Warlock40 wrote:To each his own. Cheesing can be a lot of fun and requires excellent micro and macro. Not sure if you based your build on TLO's version, but if not, it's worth checking out. Not sure if it still works with HotS, I haven't tried it in awhile, but take a look: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/6Rax_Allin
Does that build hit at 6:30 / 40? I bet the ideal timings for hitting are different now in HOTS, plus I wonder if he intended to leave himself some tech shift leeway - whereas I intend to go balls deep with Marines every game.
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That strategy will likely stop working around that level of play. Or should. Certainly against zerg at least. Zerg should be seeing this coming from your bases ramp which means he will have plenty of spines/queens to defend with. Marines without stim, medivacs or combat shields are really quite weak against even just lings. There really isnt a way to improve it I dont think. Look to learn the game instead of improving a rather dated cheese.
EDIT: It worked BETTER in WoL (especially for TLO) because maps were significantly smaller.
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On May 28 2013 06:26 TheRabidDeer wrote:
That strategy will likely stop working around that level of play. Or should. Certainly against zerg at least. Zerg should be seeing this coming from your bases ramp which means he will have plenty of spines/queens to defend with. Marines without stim, medivacs or combat shields are really quite weak against even just lings. There really isnt a way to improve it I dont think. Look to learn the game instead of improving a rather dated cheese.
Yep, some of the losses I've had were when I got prematurely scouted by overlords or zerglings as I moved out (there is NO way for me to get scouted before I move out). I've been able to minimize this by quite a bit by sending out a small force of ~4 Marines just before I send out the rest of my army and SCVs - they clean up individual zerglings and overlords before they see anything.
I've also gotten to know where Zergs tend to leave overlord scouts by watching replays after every game with them. I'm starting to see a pattern and will get better at dodging them while I'm on the way to the Zerg base. Most of the time when I get to the Zerg base he has no spines (but he may have spores at both his main and expo), a few Queens, and a handful of Zerglings.
As for ways to improve my build, I am -sure- there are ways. I pretty much just winged it as I put my build together, and randomly decided on a time to move out. It probably varies by race I'm facing and on distance. I've been changing my build slightly in between individual games based on what I'm seeing - for example, when I tried moving out at 7m I got stuffed by a roach-heavy army (which made me realize I need to move out earlier).
It would be helpful if someone before me had done this and optimized a build order/attack time, calculated how many SCVs to bring, etc - or even if they could look at my build and tell me, such-and-such is a clearly non-optimal thing to do.
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If you like pumping mariners I'd suggest copying Bomber style or so get a fast 3cc pump mass marines on 3 bases with support and upgrades. Imo i'ts far more satisfying than massing marines on 1 base and flipping a coin.
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On May 28 2013 06:02 BrosephMG wrote:
I started playing SC2 about two weeks ago. ... I just started playing and am awful at this game...
That's a strange thing to say considering your posts from over a year ago, such as:
On February 19 2012 08:48 BrosephMG wrote:
I got to high diamond as a complete noob last summer. I'm in law school and haven't played since but am in the mood for some games. I was also master in 2's and 3's but from what I hear that doesn't matter at all.
My old strategy was a 1 base, 5 rax, 5:30 rush with marines and some SVC's (I didn't go gas); I went like 20-5 but I kid you not, I still have no idea of the tech trees of any of the races are. My micro is pretty phat because I played WC3 quite a lot, but I was inexplicably good at sc2 and I think it's because Marines were imba. I was still massing marines late game (and usually won).
Anyway, have they been toned down yet?
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I haven't played for a -very- long time; I don't even remember when it was, but I guess summer 2011, and I didn't play for very long. I basically did start playing two weeks ago. I could have been more careful with my word choice, but I wasn't expecting an e-detective to do an investigation. (Plus, I don't think any argument can be made that I'm not bad.)
The thread's about the build and how to make it work for a new/bad player as myself.
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On May 28 2013 07:18 Poffel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 06:02 BrosephMG wrote:
I started playing SC2 about two weeks ago. ... I just started playing and am awful at this game... That's a strange thing to say considering your posts from over a year ago, such as: Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:48 BrosephMG wrote:
I got to high diamond as a complete noob last summer. I'm in law school and haven't played since but am in the mood for some games. I was also master in 2's and 3's but from what I hear that doesn't matter at all.
My old strategy was a 1 base, 5 rax, 5:30 rush with marines and some SVC's (I didn't go gas); I went like 20-5 but I kid you not, I still have no idea of the tech trees of any of the races are. My micro is pretty phat because I played WC3 quite a lot, but I was inexplicably good at sc2 and I think it's because Marines were imba. I was still massing marines late game (and usually won).
Anyway, have they been toned down yet?
So, basically this guy is a troll.
OP's profile:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/842832/1/Backrap/
792 games, 154 this season?
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edit: youve been a member for almost 2 years now and you have made 2 other threads exacty like this. Why are you wasting peoples time? and making stuff up?
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I am sharing someone's account. I've bought neither original SC2 (borrowed back then) nor HOTS (borrowing now).
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On May 28 2013 07:57 Aveng3r wrote:
edit: youve been a member for almost 2 years now and you have made 2 other threads exacty like this. Why are you wasting peoples time? and making stuff up?
He is trolling because he thinks marines are "imba" and these threads are his supporting evidence. I wouldnt be surprised if he has another account either in SC2 or on TL.
On May 28 2013 08:00 BrosephMG wrote:
I am sharing someone's account. I've bought neither original SC2 (borrowed back then) nor HOTS (borrowing now).
Sharing his TL account too? And his ideas of a marine/scv all in?
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Dafuq is going on in this thread. I've played -maybe- 100 games of SC2 in my life, including the one or two week stint I had years ago in which I also went gasless marines every game.
If you look at the game history of the backrap account for the last 2 weeks you'll see that I've played ~70 games this season. You'll also see that there were no games played on this account before that two weeks for a few months prior, and that they were played as Protoss - the owner of the account said that was his main.
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Being Diamond is not in any way related to being "near the top of the ladder". 
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On May 28 2013 08:03 BrosephMG wrote:
Dafuq is going on in this thread. I've played -maybe- 100 games of SC2 in my life, including the one or two week stint I had years ago in which I also went gasless marines every game.
If you look at the game history of the backrap account for the last 2 weeks you'll see that I've played ~70 games this season. You'll also see that there were no games played on this account before that two weeks for a few months prior, and that they were played as Protoss - the owner of the account said that was his main.
Bnet shows 154 games this season. Three of the 4 threads you have made have revolved around the same marine/scv idea. You were temp banned for the last one.
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On May 28 2013 08:04 Baum wrote:Being Diamond is not in any way related to being "near the top of the ladder".
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Disagree.
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On May 28 2013 08:04 Baum wrote:Being Diamond is not in any way related to being "near the top of the ladder".
Technically top 20%
People can dream, you know!
EDIT: Dat ladder
Epic photoshop skills
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you see, he don´t know we have now diamond, master, grand master SO OLDSCOOL
or this is a tricky disguise
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EPT
