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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
May 21 2013 07:57 GMT
#41
LOL, this thread...
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
May 21 2013 08:05 GMT
#42
... I don't understands...
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
ICCupBW
Profile Joined November 2012
35 Posts
May 21 2013 08:14 GMT
#43
Regardless of what Pucca may have done to you, this one is a bit over the top, don't you think? I'm personally a bit disappointed ;/

Remember this thread if you have further questions.
Twitter @ICCupBW / www.iccup.com/starcraft
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
May 21 2013 08:24 GMT
#44
Stratos you stopped making BW time travel videos for this?
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
May 21 2013 10:31 GMT
#45
i completely missed all of this. you old folks just goof around on the BW forum instead of playing the game! stop harassing high school boys and start increasing your
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life is balanced, L2P
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
May 21 2013 10:59 GMT
#46
I think this thread is really mean-spirited. The guy is still in high-school and this was clearly a large part of his life at the time. When I was a teenager I also would not have taken criticism well and probably would have even taken it personally.

Some people can get 100 positive comment and then 1 negative one will upset them. If somebody directed a negative comment and most of us who have commented in this thread we wouldn't give a shit, we might respond but it wouldn't really bother our day-to-day lives. Whereas this stuff is clearly really affecting the guy, he's gone from being really positive and enthusiastic to bitter and disliking what he was previously passionate about.

If you look at some of the stuff in his final blog post it's clear he took what was intended as constructive criticism badly. Look at Sayle's comment for example:
Without watching any of your other games or any of your casts, I already know that you have no understanding of that matchup.

Now I'm not blaming Sayle by any means, I'm not saying he did anything wrong, just using this as an example, but look at how pucca internalised this. He, like most of us, has a lot of respect for Sayle, and then he gets a comment from who he reveres the most that he feels is dismissing what he's been working on. He could have taken it like "right, I need to learn a lot more and improve" but unfortunately he took it negatively, which he did for most things.

There's a really fine line between joking at someone's expense and bullying, and he's clearly taking everything since as bullying. I don't like how everyone is treating him as a joke now because he was clearly very emotionally invested in it and taken it all to heart. I'm not denying the guy said some silly things but what is bullying him further really going to achieve?
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
May 21 2013 11:31 GMT
#47
is he iccup.fitz?
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
May 21 2013 11:57 GMT
#48
On May 21 2013 20:31 ne4aJIb wrote:
is he iccup.fitz?


I check out his last post and according to one of his statement

Pucca:
I came this site looking for more info regarding the mod SC2BW. I found the BW section and started to active these forums. I became a caster for iCCup and this is when I realized being a iCCup admin had its drawbacks. People on TL don't like you. If I addresses myself as iCCup.Fitz is would be a completely different conversation.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 12:29:29
May 21 2013 12:11 GMT
#49
On May 21 2013 19:59 moktira wrote:
If you look at some of the stuff in his final blog post it's clear he took what was intended as constructive criticism badly. Look at Sayle's comment for example:
Show nested quote +
Without watching any of your other games or any of your casts, I already know that you have no understanding of that matchup.

Now I'm not blaming Sayle by any means, I'm not saying he did anything wrong, just using this as an example, but look at how pucca internalised this. He, like most of us, has a lot of respect for Sayle, and then he gets a comment from who he reveres the most that he feels is dismissing what he's been working on. He could have taken it like "right, I need to learn a lot more and improve" but unfortunately he took it negatively, which he did for most things.


Except you missed out the most important part, which is the part I quoted from him saying he thinks he "knows the core of all MU". That arrogance/delusion/whatever is the fundamental reason why he got so much hate. Having atrocious game knowledge isn't a sin. Having atrocious game knowledge while acting like you know everything is. The things that annoyed me the most were when he would try to speak on behalf of the BW community and say things that most people in fact disagreed with. For example, I think there was some discussion in the HD AoE2 thread (not 100% sure it was this thread) about BW getting an HD remix and many BW players talked about how they actually preferred the current look. Then Pucca comes in all "guys, isn't an HD 3D remix what we all wanted?" He acted like some sort of spokesperson for the BW scene when he had no idea what he was talking about. Bakuryu even tried to point out to him that most people disagreed with his opinion but he just completely ignored him. Similar situations occurred with his overlay ideas. I posted a couple of polls in his thread that showed the majority of viewers didn't like his excessive overlays but he somehow decided that he in fact knew best and completely ignored everyone.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
May 21 2013 12:24 GMT
#50
Yeah okay, I wasn't sure whether I should reply as I wasn't following the full story and was unaware of stuff like that. I'm not arguing some of the feedback he got was undeserved, I just think that as it is somebody quite young that it's gone on a bit far and there's too many jokes at his expense.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 12:33:12
May 21 2013 12:32 GMT
#51
On May 21 2013 21:24 moktira wrote:
I just think that as it is somebody quite young that it's gone on a bit far and there's too many jokes at his expense.


I think a large part of that is because despite requesting a perma-ban, he keeps making new accounts and posting ridiculous shit (see: 'Legionnaire is a nobody' or when he pretends to be his 'friend'...). If it really bothered him, you'd think he'd stop doing that.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
May 21 2013 12:42 GMT
#52
If it didn't bother him surely he would stop and just leave though. I don't know, if he was older I wouldn't care but whenever I see younger less mature people taking things personally I get a bit worried for them cause you don't know how it will effect them. If they calm down and becomes less arrogant for example that's fine but if it looks like their taking it really badly and sort of melt down I don't think everyone laughing at them will help.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
May 21 2013 13:13 GMT
#53
from reading all the stuff about pucca it makes me think that he has some serious personallity disorder.

The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19229 Posts
May 21 2013 13:13 GMT
#54
On May 21 2013 21:42 moktira wrote:
If it didn't bother him surely he would stop and just leave though. I don't know, if he was older I wouldn't care but whenever I see younger less mature people taking things personally I get a bit worried for them cause you don't know how it will effect them. If they calm down and becomes less arrogant for example that's fine but if it looks like their taking it really badly and sort of melt down I don't think everyone laughing at them will help.

I agree. I wasn't really active when all the Pucca drama was going on. And I actually thought the OP was about mending relationships at first. I don't have much I can say in either direction, but I hope the guy is doing well at least in life.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9497 Posts
May 21 2013 13:24 GMT
#55
On May 21 2013 22:13 sabas123 wrote:
from reading all the stuff about pucca it makes me think that he has some serious personallity disorder.


When you take a look at this thread which he later claimed it was his brother posting on his account and this thread where it's his good friend Lanzo, I'm growing more concerned that there's some truth to that statement.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
ibraishome
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany337 Posts
May 21 2013 14:20 GMT
#56
Sorry for the Offtopic, but what is the original song to the video "Pucca Comeback"?

Thanks in advance
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
May 21 2013 14:27 GMT
#57
I had no issues with his comments about me. His 2nd response was probably borderline.

Didn't know there was a back story.
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
May 21 2013 14:28 GMT
#58
The hell did I just read.

Pucca get another hobby, Christ.
@YorkeSC - RIP MIT Police Officer Sean Collier, BW fan
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
May 21 2013 14:37 GMT
#59
I dont get anything about this topic...
Seems all the moderators are having a talk
Never seen such a density of respected people in 1 page...
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
May 21 2013 15:03 GMT
#60
MV is IU - Good Day. Enjoy it, it's epic. IU comeback soon btw! Yes, this whole thread was made to unobtrusively smuggle the news of her approaching comeback into the Brood War forums.

Or was it? As I pointed out in the OP, Pucca somewhat reminds me of my own behaviour back in my highschool days, which is partly why I made this thread.

Someone mentioned that Pucca can be a good contributor to this community if he manages to supress his rage issues, and up until his 'Pucca vs the BW world' thread series, I thought so as well and I supported him as I would support any other aspiring caster or contributor. I wouldn't mind his outbursts towards the community as well, as much as I love TL. But Pucca attacked the game, Brood War, a couple of times. I would like to believe he acted on impulse or in anger, but I think there's more to it. I just don't think he truly loves it. Hell, these days I can't even tell if he likes it. Any good community contributor should unquestionably accept the game with its flaws, in one way or another. Because otherwise, you will most likely end up being sad, mad, angry or whatever Pucca might feel reading this.

I've seen far too many people wear out their stay in the community just for this type of attention whoring that, no matter how hard they try, will ultimately bring them a significant amount of hate. This, and I can't stress this enough, is especially true for a CASTER. A caster just cannot be caught with his pants down, hating on the game he's supposed to be selling to others. How many of us got hooked upon the game through someone's commentary? How many of us felt betrayed by the caster switching to a different game or even directly criticising it afterwards. We could argue if we have any kind of right to feel that way, but the fact is, it's like that for a lot of us and it's not going to change.

I think Pucca would do well to take a moment and consider why he's actually going to be sitting, talking to himself for like 4 hours on a day where nothing has happened. Do you like this game? Do you think you can love it? Find that out for yourself, if you care enough. Then your casting can be sincere and you can connect with the audience. And at least as far as I'm concerned, you will then always be welcome in the community. Even if your overlays suck balls or they just don't exist at all.

I didn't feel this sincerity from you, Pucca. It would be apparent in various ways that I shall not discuss, but clearly I wasn't the only one who felt this way. And you keep proving me right with your recent threads.
I hope you can get over whatever rage this thread may have induced, and accept that the hate is partly coming your way for a reason. Some people were laughing at you behind your back, some may have harassed you directly. We can hopefully use this thread to draw some kind of a line here.

What's been done has been done, it's stored in this thread. We can look at it 5 years later and have a good laugh. If you want to start anew and prove me wrong, I'll be wishing you good luck and offer assistance. If you want to stop trying, sorry and gg. If you want to acknowledge you don't really care and just move on, good for you. If you want to continue your senseless shitposting, well, I guess I failed altogether.

As mad as it might sound, I think this thread is a good opportunity for you to choose and follow either of the 3 ways. I did not include the last part in the video to laugh at you. I also didn't name the thread a comeback for nothing. I wanted to show there might be something there and you could after all become a valued member in this community. It might be just a naive hope, but it's there. I do feel quite sad about how things turned out and got to this state, but at this point, the only one who can change that is you.

Now close the thread and go fucking do it. whatever it is.
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