SC2 Multiplayer flooded by hackers, I've had it.

On May 18 2013 00:13 Moochlol wrote:
They really have to crack down on these hacks, it is getting unreal. I have never played so many hackers as I have this season. The website d3scene, is just handing them out for free. Warden is garbage and the report feature is useless. I am so fed up with how they handle cheating in general. Are we really this powerless, we have to resort to a TL thread to deal with hackers? Surely this cannot continue. It's time we demand solutions. STOG is tonight with DKIM, this must be brought to his attention, and they MUST do something better than they have done in the past. These batch bans just don't work. We need to end this bullshit.

Post if you have clearly played a hackers this season. Post if you are sick of the way blizzard is handling this problem.

On May 18 2013 00:15 BronzeKnee wrote:


Do you think hackers are worse than Twitch chat?

On May 18 2013 00:13 Moochlol wrote:
They really have to crack down on these hacks, it is getting unreal. I have never played so many hackers as I have this season. The website d3scene, is just handing them out for free. Warden is garbage, it literally takes them 10 minutes to hack the damn thing. The report feature is useless, I might as well piss in the wind. I am so fed up with how they handle cheating in general. Are we really this powerless. We have to resort to a TL thread to deal with hackers? Surely this cannot continue. It's time we demand solutions. STOG is tonight with DKIM, this must be brought to his attention, and they MUST do something better than they have done in the past. Only batch bans is not effective. We need to end this.

Post if you have clearly played a hackers this season. Post if you are sick of the way blizzard is handling this problem.

On May 18 2013 00:18 Ichabod wrote:
wtf don't link to hacks...

On May 18 2013 00:19 Moochlol wrote:


Don't link to hacks? Where did I link? This needs to be known and not just shoved under the rug.

On May 18 2013 00:19 Xonix wrote:

Arguing on this thread isn't going to help take them down. Form a petition or a formal argument and present it to Blizzard.

On May 18 2013 00:20 Ichabod wrote:

Mentioning a place to get hacks is tantamount to linking.

On May 18 2013 00:17 fickazzz wrote:
You can choose to ignore twitch chat, but you usually don't know if you play a hacker ...
And even if you know, what you gonna do about it... leave the game is a stupid option :/

On May 18 2013 00:20 Moochlol wrote:


TL.net always says this, form a petition, LOL cmon. All we need to do is shine some light on it. Tell JP to bring it up to DKIM, it's not that hard.

On May 18 2013 00:23 Fragile51 wrote:


Yeah the game's balance designer is obviously in charge of the anti-hacking policy. Give me a break.

On May 18 2013 00:25 Nekovivie wrote:
The issue is Warden isn't really 'anti hack', it's just detection, and Blizzard doesn't ban per case, they seem to prefer do ban waves.

On May 18 2013 00:21 nkr wrote:
I've played one hacker so far, you must be very unlucky or very paranoid ;p

On May 18 2013 00:26 Skiblet wrote:
NA seems to have the most players on it. However even then playing at GM/high master I very rarely played against a hacker... maybe 1/40 games would be vs a hacker?

As it stands the NA ladder is VERY paranoid about hackers. I get called a hacker every single time I open robo and counter my opponents Dark templar rush in PvP. You to me seem like one of the people who would call someone a hacker purely because of paranoia.

Not saying you are, just the way you come off is like that.

On May 18 2013 00:27 dani` wrote:

I'm with this guy, it seems OP acts like there's a > 50% chance of meeting a hacker on ladder which is ridiculous and makes me think you are the paranoid type who screams out 'HACKER' when someone intercepts one of your drops.

Can you provide evidence of the 'flood of hackers' you speak of (not just by pointing the TL hacker thread exists)?

On May 18 2013 00:28 Moochlol wrote:



No I do not just blame shit on hacks. Stop trying to turn this around on me. And just agree that the way blizzard deals with hacks is braindead.

On May 18 2013 00:29 Moochlol wrote:



Can you people stop attacking me and fking accept the fact that this season has RIDICULOUS amounts of maphacks?
Watch any stream and witness how many hackers show up.

On May 18 2013 00:29 Moochlol wrote:



Can you people stop attacking me and fking accept the fact that this season has RIDICULOUS amounts of maphacks?

On May 18 2013 00:29 Moochlol wrote:



Can you people stop attacking me and fking accept the fact that this season has RIDICULOUS amounts of maphacks?
Watch any stream and witness how many hackers show up.

On May 18 2013 00:35 Moochlol wrote:
Wow I cant believe you people, ok let me give a replay. You want so damn glorious OP with img's and all this fluff for a simple point? http://drop.sc/335323 There witness that guys blatent fullblown working maphack.

BTW, dont lecture me on "playing better" I get by just fine in my day to day gaming. And my playing is not the issue here.

On May 18 2013 00:34 Skiblet wrote:
Yeah you're really do seem like a guy whose just mad. Not trying to troll you but I am being serious. There is not a "flood" of hackers. Yes, I do 100% agree that the way blizzard deals with hackers is really stupid and ineffective. Like its ridiculous when a guy can stay in top 50 GM playing pros while they stream and they still maphack.

however you make it sounds as if this is a huge crisis in Starcraft 2 at the moment when it really isn't. Like I said, i get called a maphacker several times a day because I got a lucky blind counter on one of their builds.

On May 18 2013 00:28 Moochlol wrote:



No I do not just blame shit on hacks. Stop trying to turn this around on me. And just agree that the way blizzard deals with hacks is braindead.

On May 18 2013 00:37 Hitch-22 wrote:


Son, please... Take a minute, take a breathe and go outside to get your mind off things... Your rage will consume you almost worse then Twitch chat consumes eSports.

Now EVEN if that single link, which I highly doubt by how your posting holds up and IF it did then you could post it in the general hackers thread to get verified, that's a single case you've managed to scoop up and not this ridiculous assertion of >50% that you seemingly imply.

TLDR; All my posts (and most others) in this thread aim towards you just playing bad and blaming hacking when, in all likelihood, its just you playing poorly and getting beat.

On May 18 2013 00:40 Moochlol wrote:


Exuse me? 50%? When did I say 50%? What the fck are you people talking about. I have played 3 hackers in about 50 games. Is that 50% where you comes from? Get real, AGAIN, stop attacking me, like you people always do.

On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong.

On May 18 2013 00:38 Moochlol wrote:


Ok the title is extreme, and yes I am mad, and I am tierd and ranting. But STILL there are alot of hackers out there atm, something should be done. Just as you people say, I haven't played a hacker yet, i'm sure you have you just didn't watch the replay. The point is there is TONS of free working hacks for the current version of sc2, and batch banning is not very effective. Increasing defense system/adding Game Admins, should be taken seriously

On May 18 2013 00:40 Moochlol wrote:
(...) AGAIN, stop attacking me, like you people always do.

On May 18 2013 00:47 Hemling wrote:
00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker

nice attitude lol

looks like a hacker to me got any more replays? your bm is quite hilarious would love to see u get hacked some more =)

On May 18 2013 00:46 Passion wrote:

Hackers aren't your issue. Rather than looking for things you could improve to become better, you look for ways/excuses to make your opponent worse. The few times I faced hackers, they only made me more eager to play and defeat them.


You're not paranoid at all, are you?

On May 18 2013 00:45 Moochlol wrote:
Look of course LOTS of people get blamed for hacking when they are not, and vice versa blah blah. This is not about that @ all. It's about the FACT that working hacks are more easily obtained than ever. And what are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna attack OP for making a shitty post, attacking his credibility or are we gonna say, YEA, fuck hacks, and fuck the way blizzard deals with them. I for one say fuck this.

On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong.

On May 18 2013 00:49 Kaitlin wrote:


Ok, I'm calling this thread a giant troll now.

On May 18 2013 00:50 HardlyNever wrote:
I've only played one hacker this season. Reported him on b.net and in the TL hacker thread (he was already in there). While it sucks to be hacked, I have to say the number seems incredibly low. In over 3000 games, I'd say there are less than 30 that I feel like might have had some kind of hacker. Only about half of those would I say I am almost certain there were hacks being used. The other half are just likely, but luck does happen. We're talking about less than 1% of games I've played, and I've been playing since beta.

That said, I would like to seem them be a little more aggressive with obvious and repeat offenders. Hacking is what ruined the WC3 ladder, and they don't need to come anywhere close to repeating that mistake.

On May 18 2013 00:48 Epamynondas wrote:
I just want to hug Moochlol and whisper soothing words in this ear.

On May 18 2013 00:18 Moochlol wrote:


Not completely worse than twitch chat. But still really awful. On a side note, what the hell does my signature have to do with this topic. Great job with your useless response though.

On May 18 2013 00:30 Hitch-22 wrote:


Stawwp disagreeing and JUST AGREE!

This is how you sound, you make a poor thread and reply poorly too it and expect us all to bite, you sound more paranoid then not and frankly I have yet to really meet any hackers playing or even ones I'm suspicious of

TLDR; stop blaming hacking for your losses, get better and make better thread content

On May 18 2013 00:50 Moochlol wrote:


How is this a troll, dood was hacking. WHAT do you want from me. I said FU because i was tilted from a game b4, who cares.

On May 18 2013 00:50 Hitch-22 wrote:

You might have a sound position but the messenger (you) makes it a very unwanted one.



"prepares asshole"

No one ever said that a game which is played online won't have hackers and the issue isn't being dealt with properly BUT we are saying that it's exaggerated by him, in this thread, and hacking HAS been brought up on SotG before and so has Warden AND eSports journalists have ASKED Blizzard multiple times about warden and hacking so this thread, for all its glory, is a kid who likely losses due to his poor play, complaining about an issue we all know about and have set things up to protect against.

Excuse me but did anyone say hacking isn't happening before you "got disgusted"? No, we've said that it's not such an exaggerated issue and, without any replay/proof or something provided to the hacking thread, it's likely he's just playing poorly.

Also you hear everyone stating everyone is a hacker when they lose... I for one have been called hacker on numerous instances which leads me, more or less, to believe that many people have been called a hacker on many instances so it's LIKELY that the problem is blown a lot more out of proportion then it has to be by people ... burning the witch you could say.

No one disagrees warden could use work but we don't need another hacking thread written on TL about it since it's been beaten to death and the issue hasn't escalated since then either.

On May 18 2013 00:52 Nimix wrote:
Well so far I played one guy with an auto inject hack (250 macro apm lawl), and two or three obvious maphackers in 1 year or so of playing the game. While I'm pretty sure there is a lot of hackers (like on all multiplayer games, there will be tons of pieces of shit that will feel better winning through hacks and insulting you than losing playing legitimately), it bothers me less than on FPS games where hackers totally prevent you from playing. I mean, you can't win against a wallhacker on CS, but you can win against a maphacker because he'll likely be bad anyway.
Something needs to be done of course, but I'm not sure something can be done because of the way hacks and anti hacks work. Anyway OP, to get that mad, either you're really unlucky, or you're just one of those guys that calls hack whenever he loses (I myself got told I was a hacker in a very straight up game where the guy played awfully and all I did was scanning his 4th xD)

(by the way OP might be just trolling seeing his following posts \o/)

On May 18 2013 00:51 Moochlol wrote:


Exactly, thank you. We don't need this to spiral out of control, blizzard needs to be more aggo.

On May 18 2013 00:58 HardlyNever wrote:


Ok, but less than 1% of games is not "flooded with hackers." It is a very rare occurrence. You're blowing this way out of proportion because you got hacked once, maybe twice in one week (on a bad string of luck).

But it wouldn't hurt to keep a bug in David Kim's ear that we still see hackers every once in a while. Just don't make it out to be much worse than it currently is.

On May 18 2013 01:01 S2Lunar wrote:
Why the fuck are you so aggressive in all your posts? I don't understand why you have to come off like a dick to make a point?

On May 18 2013 01:01 S2Lunar wrote:
Why the fuck are you so aggressive in all your posts? I don't understand why you have to come off like a dick to make a point?

On May 18 2013 01:03 shivver wrote:
post if im sick of hackers? I'm absolutely sick of everything that is related to blizzard in terms of customer service

they're a complete and total joke, their technical support forum is a laughing stock just go in there and look at all the frustrated people

On May 18 2013 01:05 Moochlol wrote:


Because that is how I roll. I'm an aggro boss, taking a stand in a mire of weird TL introverts. I'm blowing things way out of proportion to make a splash in a otherwise sea of people saying look the other way while people get raped right in front of your eyes.

On May 18 2013 01:06 GGzerG wrote:
The thread title is misleading and the only reason you made this is because you are mad at losing, keep improving, get better and have more skill than the hacker , and you will win regardless.

On May 18 2013 01:08 ZenithM wrote:

You could have simply said that you were pissed off, but instead you opted to insult your readers. Nice choice :D

On May 18 2013 01:03 Moochlol wrote:


LOLLLLLL wow, so say I exaggerated this OP, which I may just fucking have. WHATS THE WORST that could happen if we blow this out of proportion. Blizzard actually changes there stance on cheating, and does more than just batch bans with not a single GM doing jack shit? TL please get real.

On May 18 2013 01:12 Moochlol wrote:
I have to attack you all, because you attack me.

On May 18 2013 01:14 mainerd wrote:
There clearly is a problem with reporting hacking, I've personally reported 3-4 blatant master league map hackers (looking through fog, no scouting, army moving perfectly against mine with no information, etc) in the past year only to be matched against them again with a couple weeks of the report. I suspect that just like what happened with Broodwar, the community will need to step up and create hack detecting programs/databases to try and deter it. Convincing Blizzard that they aren't doing enough is a long shot at best. Though it would be nice if you could at least get a response from them when you report someone, like an email stating the replay was reviewed and hacking was confirmed or not, I bet that they get a LOT of false reports and don't have enough people to sort through all of them.

On May 18 2013 01:12 HardlyNever wrote:


You need to grow up and learn how to communicate effectively on the internet. You're not helping your case by replying like a 10 year old. The issue you are talking about is real, just much less serious than you claim. Put yourself in Blizzard's shoes. If they see some 10 year old saying "omg lol I got hacked this game is crap its flooded with hackers blizz u suck dooo something nnnowowwww omg dota lol so much better lol" (this is how you sound, btw) are you going to take that person seriously? Are you going to take their problem seriously? Blizzard won't and I wouldn't blame them.

Blowing it out of proportion makes you seem like an immature, whiny asshole who is just complaining because he lost; not someone with a real problem that needs to be addressed.

On May 18 2013 01:14 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


So your goal here is not to have a conversation, but to fling shit and cause shit to be flung?



It's not a problem with reporting, it's that Blizzard choose to ban in "waves", so in many cases it takes quite a few months before they actually get banned.

On May 18 2013 01:20 mRandy wrote:
The replay you posted is not hacking lol you just dont scout it. He dose nothing that looks like hack. Also you open with a "fu".