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On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong.
no one stated it wasn't an issue, but he is making it an exaggerated one
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On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong.
So, someone who broadcasts their game to the world concludes that their opponent is maphacking ? I think stream cheating is much more likely, and frankly, streamers don't have much to complain about. It's the cost of their streaming income.
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Look of course LOTS of people get blamed for hacking when they are not, and vice versa blah blah. This is not about that @ all. It's about the FACT that working hacks are more easily obtained than ever. And what are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna attack OP for making a shitty post, attacking his credibility or are we gonna say, YEA, fuck hacks, and fuck the way blizzard deals with them. I for one say fuck this.
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On May 18 2013 00:38 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:34 Skiblet wrote:
Yeah you're really do seem like a guy whose just mad. Not trying to troll you but I am being serious. There is not a "flood" of hackers. Yes, I do 100% agree that the way blizzard deals with hackers is really stupid and ineffective. Like its ridiculous when a guy can stay in top 50 GM playing pros while they stream and they still maphack.
however you make it sounds as if this is a huge crisis in Starcraft 2 at the moment when it really isn't. Like I said, i get called a maphacker several times a day because I got a lucky blind counter on one of their builds. Ok the title is extreme, and yes I am mad, and I am tierd and ranting. But STILL there are alot of hackers out there atm, something should be done. Just as you people say, I haven't played a hacker yet, i'm sure you have you just didn't watch the replay. The point is there is TONS of free working hacks for the current version of sc2, and batch banning is not very effective. Increasing defense system/adding Game Admins, should be taken seriously
Hackers aren't your issue. Rather than looking for things you could improve to become better, you look for ways/excuses to make your opponent worse. The few times I faced hackers, they only made me more eager to play and defeat them.
On May 18 2013 00:40 Moochlol wrote:
(...) AGAIN, stop attacking me, like you people always do.
You're not paranoid at all, are you?
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Lol. yeah this guy is probably a little too mad, but i don't think that asking it to be brought up on SOTG is too much to ask. he never said it was 50 percent, he's just tired of facing hackers. and to the people stating that they aren't facing hackers, thats great for you, but the TL hacker thread has over 2,000 posts on it, so some people would say differently. Yeah, this problem affects other games as well, but that doesn't mean that blizzard can't actively work on trying to fix what they can, and make sure we know its an issue they hold close to their heart and will continue to try and fix.
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On May 18 2013 00:45 Moochlol wrote:
Look of course LOTS of people get blamed for hacking when they are not, and vice versa blah blah. This is not about that @ all. It's about the FACT that working hacks are more easily obtained than ever. And what are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna attack OP for making a shitty post, attacking his credibility or are we gonna say, YEA, fuck hacks, and fuck the way blizzard deals with them. I for one say fuck this.
Hacks will always be easily attained, there's nothing to do about that. The only thing you can do is deal with the hacks after they're out.
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00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker
nice attitude lol
looks like a hacker to me got any more replays? your bm is quite hilarious would love to see u get hacked some more =)
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I just want to hug Moochlol and whisper soothing words in this ear.
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On May 18 2013 00:47 Hemling wrote:
00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker
nice attitude lol
looks like a hacker to me got any more replays? your bm is quite hilarious would love to see u get hacked some more =)
Ok, I'm calling this thread a giant troll now.
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On May 18 2013 00:46 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:38 Moochlol wrote:On May 18 2013 00:34 Skiblet wrote:
Yeah you're really do seem like a guy whose just mad. Not trying to troll you but I am being serious. There is not a "flood" of hackers. Yes, I do 100% agree that the way blizzard deals with hackers is really stupid and ineffective. Like its ridiculous when a guy can stay in top 50 GM playing pros while they stream and they still maphack.
however you make it sounds as if this is a huge crisis in Starcraft 2 at the moment when it really isn't. Like I said, i get called a maphacker several times a day because I got a lucky blind counter on one of their builds. Ok the title is extreme, and yes I am mad, and I am tierd and ranting. But STILL there are alot of hackers out there atm, something should be done. Just as you people say, I haven't played a hacker yet, i'm sure you have you just didn't watch the replay. The point is there is TONS of free working hacks for the current version of sc2, and batch banning is not very effective. Increasing defense system/adding Game Admins, should be taken seriously Hackers aren't your issue. Rather than looking for things you could improve to become better, you look for ways/excuses to make your opponent worse. The few times I faced hackers, they only made me more eager to play and defeat them. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:40 Moochlol wrote:
(...) AGAIN, stop attacking me, like you people always do. You're not paranoid at all, are you?
LOL DOOD, you have to be joking me. Would you people PLEASE for the love of god, stop telling me i need to learn to play? Because stats wise i'm prolly better than most of the people posting in this thread lol
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On May 18 2013 00:45 Moochlol wrote:
Look of course LOTS of people get blamed for hacking when they are not, and vice versa blah blah. This is not about that @ all. It's about the FACT that working hacks are more easily obtained than ever. And what are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna attack OP for making a shitty post, attacking his credibility or are we gonna say, YEA, fuck hacks, and fuck the way blizzard deals with them. I for one say fuck this.
You might have a sound position but the messenger (you) makes it a very unwanted one.
On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong.
"prepares asshole"
No one ever said that a game which is played online won't have hackers and the issue isn't being dealt with properly BUT we are saying that it's exaggerated by him, in this thread, and hacking HAS been brought up on SotG before and so has Warden AND eSports journalists have ASKED Blizzard multiple times about warden and hacking so this thread, for all its glory, is a kid who likely losses due to his poor play, complaining about an issue we all know about and have set things up to protect against.
Excuse me but did anyone say hacking isn't happening before you "got disgusted"? No, we've said that it's not such an exaggerated issue and, without any replay/proof or something provided to the hacking thread, it's likely he's just playing poorly.
Also you hear everyone stating everyone is a hacker when they lose... I for one have been called hacker on numerous instances which leads me, more or less, to believe that many people have been called a hacker on many instances so it's LIKELY that the problem is blown a lot more out of proportion then it has to be by people ... burning the witch you could say.
No one disagrees warden could use work but we don't need another hacking thread written on TL about it since it's been beaten to death and the issue hasn't escalated since then either.
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I've only played one hacker this season. Reported him on b.net and in the TL hacker thread (he was already in there). While it sucks to be hacked, I have to say the number seems incredibly low. In over 3000 games, I'd say there are less than 30 that I feel like might have had some kind of hacker. Only about half of those would I say I am almost certain there were hacks being used. The other half are just likely, but luck does happen. We're talking about less than 1% of games I've played, and I've been playing since beta.
That said, I would like to seem them be a little more aggressive with obvious and repeat offenders. Hacking is what ruined the WC3 ladder, and they don't need to come anywhere close to repeating that mistake.
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On May 18 2013 00:49 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:47 Hemling wrote:
00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker
nice attitude lol
looks like a hacker to me got any more replays? your bm is quite hilarious would love to see u get hacked some more =) Ok, I'm calling this thread a giant troll now.
How is this a troll, dood was hacking. WHAT do you want from me. I said FU because i was tilted from a game b4, who cares.
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On May 18 2013 00:50 HardlyNever wrote:
I've only played one hacker this season. Reported him on b.net and in the TL hacker thread (he was already in there). While it sucks to be hacked, I have to say the number seems incredibly low. In over 3000 games, I'd say there are less than 30 that I feel like might have had some kind of hacker. Only about half of those would I say I am almost certain there were hacks being used. The other half are just likely, but luck does happen. We're talking about less than 1% of games I've played, and I've been playing since beta.
That said, I would like to seem them be a little more aggressive with obvious and repeat offenders. Hacking is what ruined the WC3 ladder, and they don't need to come anywhere close to repeating that mistake.
Exactly, thank you. We don't need this to spiral out of control, blizzard needs to be more aggo.
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On May 18 2013 00:48 Epamynondas wrote:
I just want to hug Moochlol and whisper soothing words in this ear.
Team liquid really is full of a bunch of stuck-ups and mean people. seriously. this guy obviously has some rage issues, but rather then focus on his topic about how blizzard could be doing more, and how it could be mentioned on SOTG, people decide to play bully and pick on him. it's shameful.
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On May 18 2013 00:18 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:15 BronzeKnee wrote:On May 18 2013 00:13 Moochlol wrote:
They really have to crack down on these hacks, it is getting unreal. I have never played so many hackers as I have this season. The website d3scene, is just handing them out for free. Warden is garbage and the report feature is useless. I am so fed up with how they handle cheating in general. Are we really this powerless, we have to resort to a TL thread to deal with hackers? Surely this cannot continue. It's time we demand solutions. STOG is tonight with DKIM, this must be brought to his attention, and they MUST do something better than they have done in the past. These batch bans just don't work. We need to end this bullshit.
Post if you have clearly played a hackers this season. Post if you are sick of the way blizzard is handling this problem. Do you think hackers are worse than Twitch chat? Not completely worse than twitch chat. But still really awful. On a side note, what the hell does my signature have to do with this topic. Great job with your useless response though.
Listen, we all want everyone to play fairly, and it pisses everyone off when people hack, but Hitch had it right...
On May 18 2013 00:30 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:28 Moochlol wrote:On May 18 2013 00:26 Skiblet wrote:
NA seems to have the most players on it. However even then playing at GM/high master I very rarely played against a hacker... maybe 1/40 games would be vs a hacker?
As it stands the NA ladder is VERY paranoid about hackers. I get called a hacker every single time I open robo and counter my opponents Dark templar rush in PvP. You to me seem like one of the people who would call someone a hacker purely because of paranoia.
Not saying you are, just the way you come off is like that. No I do not just blame shit on hacks. Stop trying to turn this around on me. And just agree that the way blizzard deals with hacks is braindead. Stawwp disagreeing and JUST AGREE! This is how you sound, you make a poor thread and reply poorly too it and expect us all to bite, you sound more paranoid then not and frankly I have yet to really meet any hackers playing or even ones I'm suspicious of TLDR; stop blaming hacking for your losses, get better and make better thread content
Furthermore, people have claimed that I hack many times, usually because when I see a mass Speedling opening with no upgrades, I throw down two Stargates and make Phoenixes, and then kill all the Mutas. So this issue touches a raw nerve with me. I abhor hacking more than anything, but a lot of people mistake good game sense for hacking.
Finally, Day[9] said he began to enjoy playing against hackers, because he had to beat them by being mechanically skilled, and they represented a player with perfect scouting. In other words, playing against hackers means you have to rely on actually being a better player, and not some trickery.
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On May 18 2013 00:50 Moochlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:49 Kaitlin wrote:On May 18 2013 00:47 Hemling wrote:
00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker
nice attitude lol
looks like a hacker to me got any more replays? your bm is quite hilarious would love to see u get hacked some more =) Ok, I'm calling this thread a giant troll now. How is this a troll, dood was hacking. WHAT do you want from me. I said FU because i was tilted from a game b4, who cares.
How I wish I still had my report button for you saying dood and we should just keep rehashing this.
00:07 [All] JyangGoon: gl
00:09 [All] Alexander: fu'
00:13 [All] JyangGoon: ?
00:18 [All] JyangGoon: gl;
02:35 [All] Alexander: WOW
02:37 [All] Alexander: SRSLY
02:45 [All] Alexander: hacker
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Well so far I played one guy with an auto inject hack (250 macro apm lawl), and two or three obvious maphackers in 1 year or so of playing the game. While I'm pretty sure there is a lot of hackers (like on all multiplayer games, there will be tons of pieces of shit that will feel better winning through hacks and insulting you than losing playing legitimately), it bothers me less than on FPS games where hackers totally prevent you from playing. I mean, you can't win against a wallhacker on CS, but you can win against a maphacker because he'll likely be bad anyway.
Something needs to be done of course, but I'm not sure something can be done because of the way hacks and anti hacks work. Anyway OP, to get that mad, either you're really unlucky, or you're just one of those guys that calls hack whenever he loses (I myself got told I was a hacker in a very straight up game where the guy played awfully and all I did was scanning his 4th xD)
(by the way OP might be just trolling seeing his following posts \o/)
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On May 18 2013 00:50 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:45 Moochlol wrote:
Look of course LOTS of people get blamed for hacking when they are not, and vice versa blah blah. This is not about that @ all. It's about the FACT that working hacks are more easily obtained than ever. And what are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna attack OP for making a shitty post, attacking his credibility or are we gonna say, YEA, fuck hacks, and fuck the way blizzard deals with them. I for one say fuck this. You might have a sound position but the messenger (you) makes it a very unwanted one. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 00:40 BlinkGosu wrote:
This guy is simply suggesting that we bring it up tonight on SOTG as it is obviously an important issue. Im so disgusted by the people here arguing that i normally wouldn't even bother getting into it; however, i feel strongly that hacking is an issue that needs to be addressed. He doesnt need to be in GM, he doesnt even need to prove that he played against maphackers himself. The fact of the matter is that Hackers Are An Issue. If you have half a brain and watch any of the featured streamers, they will ALL speak to this. If you respond to me prepare to get your asshole torn apart because you're wrong. "prepares asshole" No one ever said that a game which is played online won't have hackers and the issue isn't being dealt with properly BUT we are saying that it's exaggerated by him, in this thread, and hacking HAS been brought up on SotG before and so has Warden AND eSports journalists have ASKED Blizzard multiple times about warden and hacking so this thread, for all its glory, is a kid who likely losses due to his poor play, complaining about an issue we all know about and have set things up to protect against. Excuse me but did anyone say hacking isn't happening before you "got disgusted"? No, we've said that it's not such an exaggerated issue and, without any replay/proof or something provided to the hacking thread, it's likely he's just playing poorly. Also you hear everyone stating everyone is a hacker when they lose... I for one have been called hacker on numerous instances which leads me, more or less, to believe that many people have been called a hacker on many instances so it's LIKELY that the problem is blown a lot more out of proportion then it has to be by people ... burning the witch you could say. No one disagrees warden could use work but we don't need another hacking thread written on TL about it since it's been beaten to death and the issue hasn't escalated since then either.
Yes, I lost to my poor play, watch the replay man, THE PLAY DOESNT MATTER. Watch the replay i posted, it clearly shows map hack, its really short, and is clear. YOu are a very weird person. Here let me link it AGAIN for you, http://drop.sc/335323
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What if
what if everyone who's arguing with the OP is actually a hacker hoping they can continue their reign of terror for a little more time?
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