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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Having seen the evidence these are my thoughts.
1) While there are some question marks surrounding the YYJ incident I don't feel that there is enough to draw any conclusions about what really happened. Moreover, this is really a secondary issue to other issues.
2) The evidence suggests that IGN aren't really to blame in this incident, and can hardly be blamed for them trying to wash their hands of it. That said, the evidence that pertains to them and this incident does begin to paint a picture of how this event failed (specifically, the planning of the event with a budget in mind and then the budget being revised down due to sponsors pulling out/ign reducing their commitment)
3) The real issue here is the questionable actions surrounding Amanda and strange invoices. While it's unclear exactly how much has not been accounted for, it is clear that it is a nontrivial amount.
4) The evidence suggests that the PPSL's failure is not solely the fault of Gus (although he took the fall at the time for it). The evidence does not, however, absolve him of part of the reason the event failed. With that said, one of the core failings of this venture was the inexperience of him and his team when running an event of this scale.
EDIT: updated the thread title to something less sensationalist.
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So um, I guess the immediate question is have TL admins independently verified this as the OP claims?
sigh plexa and your pre-emption timing.
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On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. User was banned for this post.
guys this is the most funny thing ever  user with 1 post made by a guy to defend himself ) like nobody will ever suspect it !
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On April 15 2013 21:43 k!llua wrote:
Sure, we can let old events stay in the past, or we can dig them back up and cover serious allegations of fraud, theft and clear the name of someone who has been severely damaged -- both personally and professionally because of the actions of others.
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Nah, why the fuck would we want to do that?
Yep. If any of this is true, then it's pretty obvious why it has to be said, considering all the witch hunting that went on, not to mention that actual money (from the donations thing) was involved. All the people saying, "we don't need this now, it happened two years ago"...... really guys? Really?
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Oh, and don't get me started on HONslaught.
What a fucking piece of shit...
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On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck.
you know there is 3 of us.
duck,
bear,
bee
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Germany25658 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:59 -CheekyDuck- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck. you know there is 3 of us. duck, bear, bee
The account shared your ip, just saying.
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On April 15 2013 22:59 -CheekyDuck- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck. you know there is 3 of us. duck, bear, bee
For us uneducated people, duck = you, bee = your sister, bear = ?
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On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck.
It wasn't Cheekyduck, very different writing style. However, the opinion over here is unanimous.
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On April 15 2013 23:00 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:59 -CheekyDuck- wrote:On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck. you know there is 3 of us. duck, bear, bee The account shared your ip, just saying.
thats cool, but if you can confirm my IP now is from a different house. i don't think i can teleport that fast.
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Interesting. Very interesting
A bit of a blast from the past here, from one of the more notorious times of SC2 history.
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On April 15 2013 23:01 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 22:59 -CheekyDuck- wrote:On April 15 2013 22:47 deth wrote:On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote:On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote:
How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this?
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck. you know there is 3 of us. duck, bear, bee For us uneducated people, duck = you, bee = your sister, bear = ?
we are the 3 sister that play SC
i play toss
bee zerg
bear terran
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To whom within the eSports community it may concern,
Don't believe Cheekyduck.
She's just another girl attention whoring it up. After effectively spitting on the face of one of the most hard-working guys in eSports (Dox) who basically set her up in the scene (regrettably). She then has the hide to make these audacious posts on TL. I would post so many expletives if I could because it's just that appauling.
She's a scam girl who's ignorant, greedy, heinous and ungrateful. I've literally seen the guy poor hours upon hours of his own time and money helping grow the SC2 scene from the ground up.
I come from a different eSports scene down under (CS) but I can smell a rat from a mile away, and it's undoubtedly Cheekyduck.
A complete VOID of clear, distinctive evidence and sensationalist bullshit. What a damn surprise?
Yours sincerely,
A disgruntled Australian eSports enthusiast.
P.S. If you think I have a 'Vendetta' against someone whom I've never met, please, grow a brain. My judgement is based on evidence and knowledge of how the Aussie scene functions over a lengthy period of time - not trashtalk and childish sensationalism.
P.P.S I find it equally hilarious that she's b-lining it to deliver TeamLiquid the latest goss instead of simply providing her so called 'evidence' to any branch of law enforcement.
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Surprised that anyone still remembers this whole thing..
Am I the only one who doesn't know really what to say or feel about this thread? I'm a bit curious, was something scammed/stolen from the OP or why dig this whole horse skeleton up and beat it some more? I think majority of people don't actually care about this new information at all.
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On April 15 2013 23:06 cozzE wrote:
Seriously, don't believe Cheekyduck, she's just another girl attention whoring it up after effectively spitting in the face of a hard-working guy (Dox) who basically set her up in the eSports scene (regrettably). She then has the hide to make these audacious posts on TL. I would post so many expletives if I could because its just that f'ing appauling.
She's a scam girl who's ignorant, greedy, heinous and ungrateful. I've literally seen the guy poor hours upon hours of his own time and money helping grow the SC2 scene from the ground up.
I come from a different eSports scene down under (CS) but I can smell a rat from a mile away, and it's undoubtedly Cheekyduck.
Regardless of your personal vendettas against Cheekyduck, you don't need to believe her words. You can see for yourself the evidence that is provided for you.
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I'm not understanding the point of this post, how does letting fraud slide for two years make you a silent hero?
How does it make you a better person at all?
If the supposed hero 'Amanda' really did make off with a bunch of fan/organiser money then why the fuck didn't you do something to try and retrieve it while the event was still relevant?
And if this made you leave the scene, why are you returning with this info long after anything can be done about it? wtf? I mean, IPL doesn't even exist anymore as an organisation =/
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Just look at the Poll .. lol :D
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Btw, mod, thanks for changing the Title topic, I had to stifle my vomit every time I read it.
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On April 15 2013 23:08 namste wrote:
Surprised that anyone still remembers this whole thing..
Am I the only one who doesn't know really what to say or feel about this thread? I'm a bit curious, was something scammed/stolen from the OP or why dig this whole horse skeleton up and beat it some more? I think majority of people don't actually care about this new information at all.
Haha I had clean forgotten about it until I saw this thread.
I have my doubts about how long this thread will survive because there seems to be a very high proportion of bashing flying around. The information would probably disappear if the thread was closed, and it'd be kinda sad for Cheekyduck since it looks like it took some time to collate all that information, but I'm really not sure how many people really care about this at this point in time.
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