EPTPPSL - A Second Look - Page 3
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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simpleb0i
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:09 greatZERG wrote: The Rossi accusation makes no sense. You're willing to stake the reputation of a player with 34 placings and ~$4k in winnings who has represented Australia against their name being in a chat box in a screenshot. Not even the most jaded e-sports fan would call that evidence. Either you wrote this to pad your post or you hold some sort of grudge/issue with him or his team personally. At least that's what I read from this. She has withdrawn from team Nv, and been accusing dox of all sorts of things for days. A particularly choice quote was that Nv is an "evil organisation". | ||
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:21 deth wrote: She has withdrawn from team Nv, and been accusing dox of all sorts of things for days. A particularly choice quote was that Nv is an "evil organisation". I won't say anything then and wait for the statements we know are coming. Thanks for the info mate. | ||
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-CheekyDuck-
Australia398 Posts
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:25 -CheekyDuck- wrote: We left because of this Why leave it ambiguous at we | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
3 pieces of advice to start with: 1) learn to structure your post properly and actually do the math in a comprehensive way so that people can try to follow your points. 2) show the key evidence properly and split up all background stuff you might have in an appendix (frankly I couldn't find anything which proves Amanda ran a scam in your post). 3) If you truly wanted to bring light to this mess you should have posted it at the very latest a year ago. Almost no one remembers the details nowadays. I didn't consider Gus guilty until he let months pass without trying to truly justify his actions. Maybe he let himself be scammed by Amanda (frankly your post didn't convince me at all), but frankly he should have defended himself back then (and actually worked properly with records and invoices to protect himself). As I said, good luck, but personally this is a waste of time. | ||
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-CheekyDuck-
Australia398 Posts
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tgun
434 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:25 -CheekyDuck- wrote: We left because of this Feel free to leave E-Sports. Completely. | ||
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-CheekyDuck-
Australia398 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:27 Tula wrote: Well CheekyDuck good luck on your crusade. 3 pieces of advice to start with: 1) learn to structure your post properly and actually do the math in a comprehensive way so that people can try to follow your points. 2) show the key evidence properly and split up all background stuff you might have in an appendix (frankly I couldn't find anything which proves Amanda ran a scam in your post). 3) If you truly wanted to bring light to this mess you should have posted it at the very latest a year ago. Almost no one remembers the details nowadays. I didn't consider Gus guilty until he let months pass without trying to truly justify his actions. Maybe he let himself be scammed by Amanda (frankly your post didn't convince me at all), but frankly he should have defended himself back then (and actually worked properly with records and invoices to protect himself). As I said, good luck, but personally this is a waste of time. try again, with a calculator. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
My opinion: none. No evidence, no opinion. | ||
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Mi.rai
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
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TerranBear
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On April 15 2013 22:33 schmutttt wrote: How can you seriously be so dumb (And biased) with a post like this? If gus did nothing wrong he wouldn't have disappeared. You are just on a pathetic crusade to try and shit on Dox/Nv for no reason. Stop embarrassing yourself. So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. User was banned for this post. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:43 Jiddra wrote: I'm still waiting for Gus to talk with Slasher on Lo3, after that I will consider what has happened here. It's too late for him to start talking. Fuck him. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
On April 15 2013 22:42 TerranBear wrote: So in you're logic, it makes someone guilty when they choose to stay silent? How can you be so ignorant and think just because someone doesn't choose to confront an issue, that makes them guilty? It may make them cowardly or weak, but guilty? No, you fool. There is obviously a bigger picture and unless you have viewed the entire evidence which has been provided, I think you're speaking too prematurely. Nice try, cheekyduck. | ||
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`dunedain
657 Posts
And while many, if not most of these things are true, in no way is Gus a "victim" in this scenario. He manipulated, lied and withheld vital information necessary to throw such an event as the PPSL. I was there from the point of conceptualization until two days before the event, when I was notified by our precious "Silent Hero" just how grossly over budget we were, and how he didn't know what to do. The budget that we agreed on, (by we, I mean Gus, I and another person, who lost a shitload of money btw,) was that we would pay and take care of everything for Tastosis, and the winner of our first qualifier, who was Sen. That was about just as much as we could afford with our budget, and we were all in agreement that this was the extent of our investment into flying players/casters in. Then about a week before the event, I was informed that we were overbudget, and I ask to find out what happened, little did I find out that Gus offered to fly all the players in, and take care of their lodgings as well. Which obviously to me and our third partner (who was in the States at that time, studying) didn't work well, since the said partner already paid the downpayment for the location and was supposed to get reimbursed once the funds started to come from IGN. Sad to say, he never got paid, and is still in the red in terms of that disaster of an event. By a lot. This is when I found out that PPSL offered to fly ALL the players in, and not just the ones we discussed. Obviously, this was a breach of trust and our agreement, but what could be done at that point? He already promised many other players that their flights and lodgings will be taken care of. So, many of the Koreans came. MC, MKP, and many many others, because I mean, who wouldn't want a FREE trip, to win money??? Oh and this is not to mention that Gus, being the jovial host that he is, and unbelievably in the spotlight of the community among many of the best players as well as Tastosis, would take them out on the town the night or two before the event, paying for everything with PPSL funds nonetheless... Yep, shady indeed. So, back to the story, two days before the event, he called me again to say that we were in the red, by a lot. Even more than he told me the week before. He wanted to pass off the load to me, (who at this point have been mostly working on logistics and conceptualization as well as content for the event) because he was overburdened with the situation he got himself and the PPSL into. This was when I decided to leave. Fuck that, I thought, no way was I going to be a part of this spectacle that was sure to fail. And I was right... The day of the event itself, the man himself showed up to the location just past midday, without even a word to the rest of the people who were still working on the spot. No head's up, nothing. And proceeded to appear on stream, which I'm sure many of you remember, and being the megalomaniac that he is, didn't take responsibility for a single thing, and spoke to the 10,000 people watching as if they were stupid. Again, thanks Gus. There's so much more behind this shit, but remembering it just makes me tired and pissed. So I'm done. Yea, if you want to go on a witch hunt, hunt down Amanda, Dox, and whoever, but don't think for a second that Gus was a victim in this. The only victims here were our other partner, me, and all the staff that was necessary to throw the event. None of which got paid, btw. One more time, thanks Gus! Also, as a sidenote, let me say that IPL and David Ting were nothing but super nice and helpful to us, leading up to the event. The second day before the event (the day I quit), I tried to call David to inform him of the situation, but I couldn't get through, since the only time I spoke to him was through a conference call with Gus. They didn't need to stick by us through the horrendous event, but they said they would, and they did. That was admirable and something that pissed me off even more was seeing how the whole situation was treated, it wasn't anything close to an IPL event. I guess, the only silver lining in the whole thing was that MKP started winning tournaments after he won PPSL. That still brings a smile to my face. As to why this is all being brought up now, I guess that OP just has some vendetta against a few people, but making it seem as if Gus was a Hero in this thing is fucking ridiculous. Don't make me laugh. | ||
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