EPTI enjoyed the cast very much! Keep up the good work! From my point of view i dont care about the "good old stories" in BW.
SC2 PL needs solid casters not BW Casters who compare everything with SCBW.
I love you TL and of course EG ( a little Bit ;-))
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
I enjoyed the cast very much! Keep up the good work! From my point of view i dont care about the "good old stories" in BW. SC2 PL needs solid casters not BW Casters who compare everything with SCBW. I love you TL and of course EG ( a little Bit ;-)) | ||
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SoFrOsTy
United States525 Posts
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Von
United States363 Posts
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
Will tune in tonight matches as well. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On December 16 2012 02:18 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ people criticizing last night's cast for not meeting their ideal standards for Proleague, when we should be thanking TL-EG for being able to put together an English cast at the last moment. TL-EG did not have the chance to plan this in advance, and they did what they could in the time available, therefore we should thank them. In fact, what they did was impressive given the amount of time available. The total number of English casters who have the BW knowledge some of you demand is very small, and TL-EG is not obligated to secure those casters (even assuming they are available and willing) just to appease hardcore BW fans, who are a small subset of their audience. BW playing history isn't even relevant since SC2 is a completely new game and it will reshape the landscape of who's good and who's not among Kespa pros. I appreciate what they're doing, but at the same time I'm going to let them know what the need to do better. And of course history is relevant. They don't need to know every last detail, but they do need to know who's who and what kind of success they've had previously. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
 Good luck though, I hope TB steps his game up! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 16 2012 02:26 Myles wrote: I appreciate what they're doing, but at the same time I'm going to let them know what the need to do better. And of course history is relevant. They don't need to know every last detail, but they do need to know who's who and what kind of success they've have previously. As long as you have a reasonable expectation that it will improve, rather than demanding it be prefect right out the gate, I think the people at TL will listen. The main problem is with the people wanting casters to cram 10 years of BW history for a single broadcast, just so the caster can be 100% accurate on every fact about every player. Also, people bitching about mispronouncing words in a forgiven language, that the caster has likely never said before. As someone who has an Irish last name that is mispronounced by English speakers all the time, get a fucking grip on reality. | ||
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Hunterai
Thailand842 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
I liked TB and Bitter. (I may be slightly biased from hours of watching NASL towards Bitter.) TB was as expected, although when casting Proleague I don't think a monocle and top hat would be too much. It is the granddaddy league of eSports, they would be perfectly fine. Overall for something that may have been put together less than a day beforehand (I'm guessing, it may have been plan C or D all along) it was pretty well done. Quick adaptation as much as possible, and TB and Bitter were pretty chill in making corrections to each other when there was an issue. (6 rax are up, talking Mech, then oh wait he's transitioning to marine tank.) I don't think people in here are quite understanding how hard it is to have casters in Korea. Outside of Artosis/Tasteless/Wolf/Khaldor/DoA/(Montecristo?), I don't think there are currently any professional English Casters that live in Korea. (I could be horribly wrong.) But KeSPA/IEG can't use those four (various reasons), and I think they propositioned quite a lot of other English casters about Proleague. (2GD mentioned them contacting "someone" at the GD Studio (Apollo, had to be) about it.) The sticking point would be the on-site requirement. Packing a bag and moving to Korea on short notice for a job that may evaporate in 7 months is scary. It's not as easy for most people to just ditch and go - there are other obligations to consider, as well as concerns like job longevity, (in our community) school commitments, getting a Visa, finding housing/getting out of current leases, etc. In short - it's tough to just cut and run, especially if there are other contracts and commitments. I think KeSPA would really rather have English casters on-site, if only because it simplifies the production immensely. But they likely couldn't get that on short notice (the whole English broadcast does seem, from KeSPA's point of view, a secondary concern) and DoA/Montecristo did the opening week on their own because the Community really needs it, and for week two TL-EG has gotten into place for probably the same reason. (I really hope Alex and Victor didn't pay (more) for broadcast rights.) Conjecture there, but it makes sense. Production value was pretty good, hopefully it will go up as more people are available. Maybe invade Scoot's house and the EG studio. It's not the best solution, but it's not the worst and I think most of the problems are relatively minor (except for biased caster hate, which... what are you going to do, really?) And I think I said before - if you can, rope Sayle into it. And maybe Ooophidian. Just for nostalgia. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On December 16 2012 00:52 Zorkmid wrote: EGTL, hire Moletrap and Diggity to do this please. just .. no plz ? its fine now but higher the video quality and vod quality on OGN standard | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
why not hire him ? he knows EVERYTHING about proleague xD | ||
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jnd
Czech Republic915 Posts
On December 16 2012 02:18 Doodsmack wrote: lol @ people criticizing last night's cast for not meeting their ideal standards for Proleague, when we should be thanking TL-EG for being able to put together an English cast at the last moment. TL-EG did not have the chance to plan this in advance, and they did what they could in the time available, therefore we should thank them. In fact, what they did was impressive given the amount of time available. The total number of English casters who have the BW knowledge some of you demand is very small, and TL-EG is not obligated to secure those casters (even assuming they are available and willing) just to appease hardcore BW fans, who are a small subset of their audience. BW playing history isn't even relevant since SC2 is a completely new game and it will reshape the landscape of who's good and who's not among Kespa pros. I guess we can agree it was OK for the last minute setup, the demands and criticism are more aimed to the future casts, we have more than half a year to go after all. It's understandable that people demand more than just simple English commentary. Causal fans need more storylines, there has been few threads about this. You have to capture both new fans to the Korean scene and experienced fans who followed these exact guys for several years. There are complaints about faceless Koreans because people simply don't know anything about them, viewers have no idea what's happening in the weeks outside of game or doesn't follow all the tournaments that these pros have been playing (OSL, BWC, WCG, GSL, even MLG these days). It takes something extra to keep the fans passionate and viewers following teamleague with just 8 teams going on for 7 months or how long it is. I think we all at TL want to be this something bigger than random online tournament and Proleague definitely deserves it. History is really important too, not because it was BW but because many of these players have been playing for that long. You can focus on this having entertaining TvT on map full of rocks but this will wear off eventually. What will keep you in the long run is having favorite players, perhaps with unique style, favorite teams which have long history. You can't just forget the fact that Boxer made the old school T1 and now after few years he came back as coach to his home team. Or the age long rivalry between Flash and Jaedong which transcends the Stacraft titles, there was good article on this recently. This is just example of how it is significant to have some context and it oftens goes way back before SC2 era. | ||
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
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akatsuki.zetsu
Portugal8 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On December 16 2012 03:25 jnd wrote: I guess we can agree it was OK for the last minute setup, the demands and criticism are more aimed to the future casts, we have more than half a year to go after all. It's understandable that people demand more than just simple English commentary. Causal fans need more storylines, there has been few threads about this. You have to capture both new fans to the Korean scene and experienced fans who followed these exact guys for several years. There are complaints about faceless Koreans because people simply don't know anything about them, viewers have no idea what's happening in the weeks outside of game or doesn't follow all the tournaments that these pros have been playing (OSL, BWC, WCG, GSL, even MLG these days). It takes something extra to keep the fans passionate and viewers following teamleague with just 8 teams going on for 7 months or how long it is. I think we all at TL want to be this something bigger than random online tournament and Proleague definitely deserves it. History is really important too, not because it was BW but because many of these players have been playing for that long. You can focus on this having entertaining TvT on map full of rocks but this will wear off eventually. What will keep you in the long run is having favorite players, perhaps with unique style, favorite teams which have long history. You can't just forget the fact that Boxer made the old school T1 and now after few years he came back as coach to his home team. Or the age long rivalry between Flash and Jaedong which transcends the Stacraft titles, there was good article on this recently. This is just example of how it is significant to have some context and it oftens goes way back before SC2 era. Yes it's certainly reasonable to provide feedback going forward. But when you say things like "Mr. Bitter partially saved the cast" you clearly think what they did was a failure, when in fact what they did was impressive given the circumstances. | ||
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