EPTAnalysis of the raven for blizzard - Page 4
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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PiQLiQ
Sweden702 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:55 Bodzilla wrote: i remember writing a guide for a strategy that involved 4-6 queen opener, to spread creep like a madman, double upgrades and ling infestor into HIVE in early 2011. It's now standard play, across all of their matchups. and i was GOLD when i wrote it. i did it by sitting around thinking about the game and trying to work out strategy's to overcome my shortfalls as a player. I didn't sit around whinging about how hard it is, without looking for a solution with the tools i had. I can guarantee that 99.9% of all the people sitting here complaining, have other aspects of their play they could improve first which would get them more wins and advance further up the ladder. The state we've got to with the game, balance is only a problem for the pro's. If theres ANYBODY at all that you should even consider listening to when it comes to balance it's QXC. That last sentence is BS. QXC can also improve his play. If we go by your logic that you can only complain when your game is perfect, then no one can complain (including Mvp, Bogus, Flash, Ryung, etc). And the zergs that lost to reapers weren't 'perfect' either. Your 'innovative' strategy of 4-6 queen opener didn't work in early 2011 because hellions could just kite your queens forever. Your 'meta' game works now because of buff from Blizzard. Stop trying to make it like you worked out this 'solution' before everyone else. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17944 Posts
Blizzard is probably going to ignore this because its too hard to dig through it to find anything really useful. Here is an example of being critical of SC2 while maintaining a high signal-to-noise ratio. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Edit: Genius seems like he's going mass Stalker, which is going to get completely shut down by Tanks + PDD. Sea's Raven has two PDDs available. The Hellions are making this more like a TvZ than a TvP; Genius has done almost nothing to avoid harassment. Genius attacks into the tanks, and does really well, but Sea used both of his PDDs before Genius engaged. Genius was able to pull back, give up a cannon or two and a pylon at his fourth, and engage at a better time. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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RoyMadman
United States18 Posts
Browder said in the TL interview he was pretty sure this wouldnt solve the raven problem. They are trying to make the raven a little more mainstream so they can get a better look at where it is now. If it does get "fixed" it wont be till HOTS. | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:55 Bodzilla wrote: i remember writing a guide for a strategy that involved 4-6 queen opener, to spread creep like a madman, double upgrades and ling infestor into HIVE in early 2011. It's now standard play, across all of their matchups. and i was GOLD when i wrote it. i did it by sitting around thinking about the game and trying to work out strategy's to overcome my shortfalls as a player. I didn't sit around whinging about how hard it is, without looking for a solution with the tools i had. I can guarantee that 99.9% of all the people sitting here complaining, have other aspects of their play they could improve first which would get them more wins and advance further up the ladder. The state we've got to with the game, balance is only a problem for the pro's. If theres ANYBODY at all that you should even consider listening to when it comes to balance it's QXC. The broken clock is right twice a day. | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
On November 22 2012 00:56 KapsyL wrote: Ravens have a use in TvP??? doesnt feedback just leave ravens with low hp and no energy? doesnt it just take up supply then since it takes so long time to regenerate the energy? 1-1-1  | ||
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Basique
Korea (South)40 Posts
But since Blizzard will never change that it seems a good way to address the terran late game. Also wow this thread is awful people don't even bother reading or arguing. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
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DRTnOOber
New Zealand476 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
Attack the OPs points in a constructive manner, not attack the actual person. And I think this is a great idea. No need to drastically change anything. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
I think Avilo's proposed change is really good actually, better than getting HSM for free for sure (which is also a lot better than nothing). On November 22 2012 18:07 TeeTS wrote: I have serious doubts, that seeker missle is the answer to TvZ. It works from time to time because of the same reason vortex works from time to time: Zerg completely failing in control. If you look how the splash damage is designed, it decreases immensly if enemy flyers are simply magic boxed. If Raves enter the metagame as standard option, it will not take long for Zerg to figure out, how to avoid their impact. They seem useful now, because most Zerg players have little to no experience how to deal with them. They need a complete rework of their abilities! I think you could be right (as well as below post saying movement denial is an issue), but I think if they want to be careful in what changse they make, Avilo's proposed one is the best first step imaginable. | ||
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