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On February 22 2018 13:20 hunts wrote:
I'm sorry GH I don't know what you think, but none of those have been demosntrated. When you made your silly manipulated by US propaganda claims, literally not a single person was impressed or convinced by your arguments. Furthermore you have not at any point demonstrated to any satisfactory degree that Hillary was actually a bad candidate, and I have seen you spout russian talking points and other false claims about her in your attempts to show she was bad. And again you have failed in any way to prove that "the left" has been mislead about the extent of russia's meddling in the election. All you have shown is you were on the bernie train very slightly before the first russian money that we know of so far started getting pumped into the bernie ads. You have in no way refuted how far reaching or impactful the propoganda was. You have failed to show that you were not impacted by it, short of showing 1 pro bernie post that dated to just slightly before their money started coming in, and you have countered even that claim by using russias talking points and conspiracies as your talking points. engaging with you and LL is like engaging with a broken record that just says things without any proof and after being proven wrong keeps saying them. Then without ever proving anything comes back later and says "yeah I proved this thing and changed so many people's minds."
hey zeus man I know I use too many line breaks but throwing one in there every once in a while would be nice.
I'm sorry GH I don't know what you think, but none of those have been demosntrated. When you made your silly manipulated by US propaganda claims, literally not a single person was impressed or convinced by your arguments.
Is that why they were completely unable to refute them and instead made smart ass remarks or just ran away?
Furthermore you have not at any point demonstrated to any satisfactory degree that Hillary was actually a bad candidate, and I have seen you spout russian talking points and other false claims about her in your attempts to show she was bad.
Go ahead and pick one of the many problems I've explained I have with Hillary and demonstrate how it's not reasonable or accurate. You didn't the several times I've asked before so I doubt one is coming any time soon.
And again you have failed in any way to prove that "the left" has been mislead about the extent of russia's meddling in the election. All you have shown is you were on the bernie train very slightly before the first russian money that we know of so far started getting pumped into the bernie ads. You have in no way refuted how far reaching or impactful the propoganda was. You have failed to show that you were not impacted by it, short of showing 1 pro bernie post that dated to just slightly before their money started coming in, and you have countered even that claim by using russias talking points and conspiracies as your talking points.
I definitively proved P6 was mislead and quoted/cited US propaganda about the effectiveness of Russian propaganda with a story more widely shared and trusted than any single piece of Russian propaganda you can point to. It's also STILL presented as factual news as opposed to the propaganda we established it to be here in the thread.
As to the lingering accusation that it was I who was manipulated (with no evidence) rather than Liberals like P6 and Mohdoo (with specific evidence) I dare you (or anyone who ever plans on pushing this trash again) to engage with this question or just admit you're full of it.
On February 20 2018 12:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 11:57 hunts wrote:Pretty good read in general, here's some parts from it. The Russian attempt at long-distance choreography was playing out in many cities across the United States. Facebook has disclosed that about 130 rallies were promoted by 13 of the Russian pages, which reached 126 million Americans with provocative content on race, guns, immigration and other volatile issues.
“We are looking for friendship because we are fighting for the same reasons,” someone purporting to be with an online group calling itself Blacktivist wrote via Twitter to the Rev. Dr. Heber Brown III, a Baltimore pastor, in April 2016. “Actually we are open for your thoughts and offers.”
But Mr. Mueller’s indictment repeatedly states that the Russian operation was designed not just to provoke division among Americans but also to denigrate Hillary Clinton and support her rivals, mainly Mr. Trump. The hashtags the Russian operation used included #Trump2016, #TrumpTrain, #MAGA and #Hillary4Prison, and one Russian operative was reprimanded for “a low number of posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton,” the indictment says.
While most of the Americans duped by the Russian trolls were not public figures, some higher-profile people were fooled. The indictment mentions the Russian Twitter feed @TEN_GOP, which posed as a Tennessee Republican account and attracted more than 100,000 followers. It was retweeted by Donald Trump Jr.; Kellyanne Conway, the president’s counselor; Michael T. Flynn, the former national security adviser; and his son, Michael Flynn Jr.
They have expressed no regret that they were apparently taken in by the Russian operatives. Instead, since Friday’s indictment, Donald Trump Jr., like his father, has pointed mainly to the fact that it did not accuse the president or his associates of assisting the Russian operation.
Source https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/us/politics/russian-operatives-facebook-twitter.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur Much like real advertisements, we can’t know which ones changed minds. But there is no doubt it was a factor influenced the coverage and conversations around the election
Would you agree that there is no doubt the more prolific propaganda like you posted from 'reputable' sources influenced liberals perception around Russia's involvement?
EDIT: If not, how can you arrive at that conclusion?
**This is an open question to anyone who asserts that Russian propaganda influenced Bernie supporters in any significant way.**
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On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to.
Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that.
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On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members.
I mean, that much should be obvious. I'm hesitant to weigh in on this issue typically, but there are a few points that both sides at least should be able to get behind, and his post had jack-all for substance. Clearly there is a systemic problem right now, but one side is much happier to play games about it.
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On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members.
Since when is a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy.
And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection.
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On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection.
No don't you see, if you don't cheer at banning all semi autos you think the children are wrong and that's bad.
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On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection.
I hope this sudden localized empathy is not just because he wanted to be white and you carry this for all unfortunate youth that end up committing crimes, including ones far less heinous.
EDIT: You can't possibly think either side is trying to win this political fight with facts and knowledge? There's a cadre of somewhat knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue focused on functional reforms but arming teachers isn't any more reasonable of a response than banning all guns and enforcing it by breaking down doors.
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On February 22 2018 13:34 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to. Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that.
I've been having a dialog with folks about guns on and off all day. This one is all you. You came in here, posted some bullshit about how you refused to watch the kids who just lived through nightmare and then played victim when you got the exact responses you were looking for. You told us you planned to live in your echo chamber and we all said "good luck."
Remember that time you came in here out of no place and posted an article while complaining the left made the immigration debate about race? And then we all pointed out that the article claimed that immigration would change the racial make up of the country and that changing that make up might be bad? And then you said we were all mean leftist?
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Somewhat related?
LOS ANGELES (AP) — A security officer overheard a student threaten to open fire at his Southern California high school, allowing officials to thwart the plot just days after a deadly shooting in Florida, authorities said Wednesday.
The 17-year-old student at El Camino High School near the city of Whittier was arrested on suspicion of making criminal threats, and his adult brother was arrested on five weapons charges after two assault rifles, 90 high-capacity magazines and other handguns were found in their home.
A security officer on Friday heard the teen "say that he was going to shoot up the school sometime in the next three weeks," Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell said at a news conference.
School district security officer Marino Chavez told reporters that when he heard the threat, he asked the student about it, and the teen confirmed that he made it but was just kidding and didn't mean it. Chavez told the student he could not say such things at school.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-california-school-shooting-plot-thwarted-052756375.html
Hard to go with the "I was only joking" line when you have 2 AR-15's 90 magazines and some hand guns.
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On February 22 2018 13:49 hunts wrote:Somewhat related? Show nested quote +LOS ANGELES (AP) — A security officer overheard a student threaten to open fire at his Southern California high school, allowing officials to thwart the plot just days after a deadly shooting in Florida, authorities said Wednesday.
The 17-year-old student at El Camino High School near the city of Whittier was arrested on suspicion of making criminal threats, and his adult brother was arrested on five weapons charges after two assault rifles, 90 high-capacity magazines and other handguns were found in their home.
A security officer on Friday heard the teen "say that he was going to shoot up the school sometime in the next three weeks," Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell said at a news conference.
School district security officer Marino Chavez told reporters that when he heard the threat, he asked the student about it, and the teen confirmed that he made it but was just kidding and didn't mean it. Chavez told the student he could not say such things at school. https://www.yahoo.com/news/authorities-california-school-shooting-plot-thwarted-052756375.htmlHard to go with the "I was only joking" line when you have 2 AR-15's 90 magazines and some hand guns.
See, this is what I'm talking about when I say make the unsupported allegation and then just fleeing. The irony of P6 calling out the right while stubbornly refusing to admit his own mistake (the real one not the half-assed walk back he gave) is not lost on me.
You guys love this bickering between you and people like xDaunt/Intro far more than you want to actually dig into what the issues really are. It's so readily apparent to you when the right does it but you all seem completely oblivious to it (or just deny the hell out of it to yourself and others) when you do it.
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On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when is a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection.
Having worked with students and attorneys in both my careers, I find that the former are generally more likely to provide me some insight on a subject. The latter is way better at playing the bills.
And I find it beyond comical that you attack me like the typical left leaning voter on this subject. The community did fail this kid. Florida's government, who is part of that community, failed them all. 30 police reports about how this kid was going to do something violent and the police could do nothing, because none of it was a crime. Because there is no legal process in Florida to take away fire arms if it becomes clear that the person is a danger. We just have to wait.
And if we try to create a legal process to give police and the courts the tools to address this issue, the NRA will oppose it.
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On February 22 2018 13:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:34 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to. Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that. I've been having a dialog with folks about guns on and off all day. This one is all you. You came in here, posted some bullshit about how you refused to watch the kids who just lived through nightmare and then played victim when you got the exact responses you were looking for. You told us you planned to live in your echo chamber and we all said "good luck." Remember that time you came in here out of no place and posted an article while complaining the left made the immigration debate about race? And then we all pointed out that the article claimed that immigration would change the racial make up of the country and that changing that make up might be bad? And then you said we were all mean leftist?
I was responding to an awful post, do you take issue with what I was quoting?
And I gave some. for being on a part of the political spectrum that sees racism everywhere (even in "Anglo american") your standards on that topic are strangely strict, especially if "make America white again" isn't an accusation of racism or prejudice.
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On February 22 2018 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection. I hope this sudden localized empathy is not just because he wanted to be white and you carry this for all unfortunate youth that end up committing crimes, including ones far less heinous. EDIT: You can't possibly think either side is trying to win this political fight with facts and knowledge? There's a cadre of somewhat knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue focused on functional reforms but arming teachers isn't any more reasonable of a response than banning all guns and enforcing it by breaking down doors.
There are plenty of idiots on the right who don't know how to argue the issue. Regardless, considering that they're not the ones looking to infringe upon constitutional rights just to appease the mob, I'm not too worried about them.
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On February 22 2018 13:55 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:46 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2018 13:34 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to. Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that. I've been having a dialog with folks about guns on and off all day. This one is all you. You came in here, posted some bullshit about how you refused to watch the kids who just lived through nightmare and then played victim when you got the exact responses you were looking for. You told us you planned to live in your echo chamber and we all said "good luck." Remember that time you came in here out of no place and posted an article while complaining the left made the immigration debate about race? And then we all pointed out that the article claimed that immigration would change the racial make up of the country and that changing that make up might be bad? And then you said we were all mean leftist? I was responding to an awful post, do you take issue with what I was quoting? And I gave some. for being on a part of the political spectrum that sees racism everywhere (even in "Anglo american") your standards on that topic are strangely strict, especially if "make America white again" isn't an accusation of racism or prejudice.
And you are not interested in a dialogue, which is fine. I'm happy to be the mean leftist that calls everyone racist so you can say that civil discourse is dead. There are other conservatives to talk to in the sea.
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On February 22 2018 13:59 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection. I hope this sudden localized empathy is not just because he wanted to be white and you carry this for all unfortunate youth that end up committing crimes, including ones far less heinous. EDIT: You can't possibly think either side is trying to win this political fight with facts and knowledge? There's a cadre of somewhat knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue focused on functional reforms but arming teachers isn't any more reasonable of a response than banning all guns and enforcing it by breaking down doors. There are plenty of idiots on the right who don't know how to argue the issue. Regardless, considering that they're not the ones looking to infringe upon constitutional rights just to appease the mob, I'm not too worried about them.
The same group are the ones that say "fuck your 4th amendment, kiss the cops ass or dying is your fault". Which was my previous point. Trying to lean on the bill of rights for your argument will leave you laying flat on the floor.
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On February 22 2018 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:59 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection. I hope this sudden localized empathy is not just because he wanted to be white and you carry this for all unfortunate youth that end up committing crimes, including ones far less heinous. EDIT: You can't possibly think either side is trying to win this political fight with facts and knowledge? There's a cadre of somewhat knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue focused on functional reforms but arming teachers isn't any more reasonable of a response than banning all guns and enforcing it by breaking down doors. There are plenty of idiots on the right who don't know how to argue the issue. Regardless, considering that they're not the ones looking to infringe upon constitutional rights just to appease the mob, I'm not too worried about them. The same group are the ones that say "fuck your 4th amendment, kiss the cops ass or dying is your fault". Which was my previous point. Trying to lean on the bill of rights for your argument will leave you laying flat on the floor.
Depends upon who you are dealing with. There is no shortage of idiot republicans who know fuck all about the constitution and the sources of their rights. I’m not one of those.
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On February 22 2018 14:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 13:55 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:46 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2018 13:34 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to. Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that. I've been having a dialog with folks about guns on and off all day. This one is all you. You came in here, posted some bullshit about how you refused to watch the kids who just lived through nightmare and then played victim when you got the exact responses you were looking for. You told us you planned to live in your echo chamber and we all said "good luck." Remember that time you came in here out of no place and posted an article while complaining the left made the immigration debate about race? And then we all pointed out that the article claimed that immigration would change the racial make up of the country and that changing that make up might be bad? And then you said we were all mean leftist? I was responding to an awful post, do you take issue with what I was quoting? And I gave some. for being on a part of the political spectrum that sees racism everywhere (even in "Anglo american") your standards on that topic are strangely strict, especially if "make America white again" isn't an accusation of racism or prejudice. And you are not interested in a dialogue, which is fine. I'm happy to be the mean leftist that calls everyone racist so you can say that civil discourse is dead. There are other conservatives to talk to in the sea.
I attacked the self-congratulatory tone of all these posts and tweets and pointed out how calling your opposition monsters is a bad thing. Your response: You think the children are wrong.
I am not the one with the problem.
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On February 22 2018 14:07 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 22 2018 13:59 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 22 2018 13:43 xDaunt wrote:On February 22 2018 13:32 Plansix wrote:
In retrospecte, that post is pure bait and people should just ignore it. The worst of the left isn’t trying to discredit a bunch of school kids, which is more than I can say for some NRA board members. Since when are a bunch of ignorant school kids the authority on anything? Of course their opinions should be discounted. The average person -- and even moreso, the average high school student -- is a goddamned moron. I don't want them deciding any kind of substantive policy. And of course the ignorant school kids would latch on to the easy, emotional, and lazy response to a tragedy like this: blame the guns. I'd expect nothing less from the bleeding heart left. What I am still waiting for is a real discussion regarding how thoroughly the community failed this kid. God forbid we ever engage in a little introspection. I hope this sudden localized empathy is not just because he wanted to be white and you carry this for all unfortunate youth that end up committing crimes, including ones far less heinous. EDIT: You can't possibly think either side is trying to win this political fight with facts and knowledge? There's a cadre of somewhat knowledgeable people on both sides of the issue focused on functional reforms but arming teachers isn't any more reasonable of a response than banning all guns and enforcing it by breaking down doors. There are plenty of idiots on the right who don't know how to argue the issue. Regardless, considering that they're not the ones looking to infringe upon constitutional rights just to appease the mob, I'm not too worried about them. The same group are the ones that say "fuck your 4th amendment, kiss the cops ass or dying is your fault". Which was my previous point. Trying to lean on the bill of rights for your argument will leave you laying flat on the floor. Depends upon who you are dealing with. There is no shortage of idiot republicans who know fuck all about the constitution and the sources of their rights. I’m not one of those.
Your lack of concern about the Republicans looking to infringe on PoC rights is part of the problem. That you may be outside of that group doesn't invalidate that they are a significant part of the discourse, if not more popular than the reasonable people on the right you may group yourself with.
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On February 22 2018 14:08 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 14:02 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2018 13:55 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:46 Plansix wrote:On February 22 2018 13:34 Introvert wrote:On February 22 2018 13:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, you didn't watch but you're going to just assume a bunch of things?
Dana didn't exactly make the greatest case for the second amendment this evening.
Just clips and self pleasuring tweets like the one I responded to. Meanwhile Plansix does does exactly what I condemned. "The children are wrong." Get over your own self righteousness. We can't have the coveted dialogue when you say garbage like that. I've been having a dialog with folks about guns on and off all day. This one is all you. You came in here, posted some bullshit about how you refused to watch the kids who just lived through nightmare and then played victim when you got the exact responses you were looking for. You told us you planned to live in your echo chamber and we all said "good luck." Remember that time you came in here out of no place and posted an article while complaining the left made the immigration debate about race? And then we all pointed out that the article claimed that immigration would change the racial make up of the country and that changing that make up might be bad? And then you said we were all mean leftist? I was responding to an awful post, do you take issue with what I was quoting? And I gave some. for being on a part of the political spectrum that sees racism everywhere (even in "Anglo american") your standards on that topic are strangely strict, especially if "make America white again" isn't an accusation of racism or prejudice. And you are not interested in a dialogue, which is fine. I'm happy to be the mean leftist that calls everyone racist so you can say that civil discourse is dead. There are other conservatives to talk to in the sea. I attacked the self-congratulatory tone of all these posts and tweets and pointed out how calling your opposition monsters is a bad thing. Your response: You think the children are wrong. I am not the one with the problem.
I didn't call the opposition monsters. The leadership of the NRA is a bunch of assholes, but that is a pretty limited number of people.
Seriously, I don't know who you are talking to. Are you mad that the CNN town hall exists? 17 school kids got gunned down by a guy who should have had all his guns taken away because he was practically writing "I will murder all the school children with this rifle" on the side of the school. But no one can do anything about gun owners until after they try to murder someone with the gun. People are going to be pissed about that.
Politics isn't about people being nice to you and it is barely about people respecting you. These types of topics are not going to be civil. Doesn't mean they are not worth talking about.
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"Right to live" probably isn't in the constitution, is it? Since the US government allows itself to murder people at will.
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