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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
February 21 2018 23:25 GMT
#199001
Harley Davidson is closing the Kansas City plant. Missouri lawmakers were like "We gave you a lot of subsidies, please stay" and then they were like "nope, cya." Like corporations have any loyalty.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14203 Posts
February 21 2018 23:39 GMT
#199002
On February 22 2018 08:25 zer0das wrote:
Harley Davidson is closing the Kansas City plant. Missouri lawmakers were like "We gave you a lot of subsidies, please stay" and then they were like "nope, cya." Like corporations have any loyalty.

The plant was going to be closed probably either way. Harley Davidson isn't profitable and might not last for much longer.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 22 2018 00:13 GMT
#199003
The thing is with subsidies is that they don't create stickiness. You gotta give a corporation more than a tax break or what have you to get them to stay around, like good infrastructure, skilled workers, etc. Cost is only part of the equation.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 22 2018 00:33 GMT
#199004


apparently trump had to keep some notes on basic empathy when meeting with the kids.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2018 00:36 GMT
#199005


We were warned, but people believed him.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 00:56:31
February 22 2018 00:46 GMT
#199006
On February 22 2018 09:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap_politics/status/966444573374472197

apparently trump had to keep some notes on basic empathy when meeting with the kids.

It's just some Soros-paid actors anyway so might as well read them a script /s

Number 5 'I hear you' is quite the embarrassing one
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
February 22 2018 00:48 GMT
#199007
On February 22 2018 09:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://twitter.com/ap_politics/status/966444573374472197

apparently trump had to keep some notes on basic empathy when meeting with the kids.


... 5 is the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone need notes for. 1, 2 are marginally understandable I guess, as questions that elicit a more detailed response.

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I also couldn't think of the word and googled this.

I think sociopath?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2018 00:54 GMT
#199008


It took 7 days for these theories to get to prevelant to get the attention of congress. Not that they will do anything.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
February 22 2018 00:55 GMT
#199009
He is a full-blown narcissist, unable to think of anything in any way except in how it relates to him. When word got out he was doing a listening session post-shooting, it shouldn't have surprised anyone that it would be another ridiculous fellatio session for Dear Leader. I would laugh, but he's running our country, albeit into the ground.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 01:40:52
February 22 2018 01:35 GMT
#199010
On February 22 2018 07:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 07:17 hunts wrote:
Lol oh man that's beautiful, if our orange snowflake in chief decides to start a trade war go after the products of McConnell and Ryan's states, and Florida which can be said to have won him the election with its swarm of Florida men. Also the puns made me both cringe and smile a bit.


It's also kind of hilarious to see Europe so blatantly go straight for the nuts. McConnell, Ryan and Florida. Each of those are enough to where if you grab those nuts, they will kneel. Whichever political party screws over Florida will not win Florida next election. Europe is basically threatening Trump with a guaranteed loss in Florida in 2020.

Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when Bush was talking about steel tariffs.
The US today stepped back from a trade war with the EU and Japan as George Bush lifted punitive tariffs on steel imports.

Mr Bush made his decision just days before a deadline that would have triggered retaliation from the EU, which was preparing to impose sanctions worth $2.2bn (£1.3bn) on US goods ranging from Florida citrus products to Harley Davidson motorbikes.

"These safeguard measures have now achieved their purpose, and as a result of changed economic circumstances, it is time to lift them," Mr Bush said in a statement.

The measures were designed to inflict maximum political pain on Mr Bush, with the EU targeting products from states that would play a crucial role in next year's presidential election. The World Trade Organisation last month ruled the US tariffs illegal and said the EU had the right to retaliate.
Source

If Europe is good at anything at all, it's this.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 22 2018 01:55 GMT
#199011
On February 22 2018 10:35 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 07:31 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 22 2018 07:17 hunts wrote:
Lol oh man that's beautiful, if our orange snowflake in chief decides to start a trade war go after the products of McConnell and Ryan's states, and Florida which can be said to have won him the election with its swarm of Florida men. Also the puns made me both cringe and smile a bit.


It's also kind of hilarious to see Europe so blatantly go straight for the nuts. McConnell, Ryan and Florida. Each of those are enough to where if you grab those nuts, they will kneel. Whichever political party screws over Florida will not win Florida next election. Europe is basically threatening Trump with a guaranteed loss in Florida in 2020.

Reminds me of back in the early 2000s when Bush was talking about steel tariffs.
Show nested quote +
The US today stepped back from a trade war with the EU and Japan as George Bush lifted punitive tariffs on steel imports.

Mr Bush made his decision just days before a deadline that would have triggered retaliation from the EU, which was preparing to impose sanctions worth $2.2bn (£1.3bn) on US goods ranging from Florida citrus products to Harley Davidson motorbikes.

"These safeguard measures have now achieved their purpose, and as a result of changed economic circumstances, it is time to lift them," Mr Bush said in a statement.

The measures were designed to inflict maximum political pain on Mr Bush, with the EU targeting products from states that would play a crucial role in next year's presidential election. The World Trade Organisation last month ruled the US tariffs illegal and said the EU had the right to retaliate.
Source

If Europe is good at anything at all, it's this.


It's a good reminder that the bullshit about "they need us more than we need them!" isn't remotely constructive or even actionable. We blink first in these situations and we blink first for good reason.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 02:13 GMT
#199012
Won't happen.

If the Pentagon can't do a better job of managing its finances Congress may have to consider withholding some of the additional funds the military is slated to receive under a new budget deal, the Republican chairman of the Senate Budget Committee warned Wednesday.

Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming was responding to a recent report in POLITICO about an initial audit of the Pentagon's massive logistics arm that concluded it could not account for hundreds of millions of dollars.

"Taxpayers must have trust and confidence that their hard-earned dollars are being spent wisely," Enzi, who was an accountant in private life, wrote in a letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. "If such trust and confidence cannot be built and justified, it will be incredibly difficult to achieve the three to five percent real growth in defense spending you have identified as required to meet mission requirements."

The independent audit of the Defense Logistics Agency, which was completed in December for the Pentagon's Inspector General by accounting firm Ernst & Young, found major gaps at the agency that acquires goods and services for the military and has an annual budget of about $40 billion.

"The independent auditors cited an inability to ensure the accuracy of financial statements related to hundreds of millions of dollars of construction-in-progress contracts and internal software," Enzi wrote. "They also noted problems reconciling DLA's ledger with that of the Treasury Department weaknesses in the agency's IT software, and a general lack of oversight mechanisms."

The DLA, which has long had a reputation for weak financial controls, is the largest Pentagon agency to undergo an audit. It is seen as a test case for a broader effort to scrub the books across the Department of Defense, which has an estimated $2.2 trillion in assets but has never passed an audit.

In his letter to Mattis, Enzi is seeking more information how the Pentagon is applying the lessons of the DLA audit and details on its plans to spend an estimated $900 million to conduct a full audit of the Pentagon in the coming years.

Enzi requested that Mattis respond to his concerns by March 15.

“It is important for Congress to better understand how DOD is translating audit findings into changes in its business practices,” he wrote.

Enzi's warnings come just weeks after Congress and President Donald Trump agreed to a two-year budget deal that is set to deliver a huge increase in spending to the Department of Defense, beginning with an extra $68 billion through October of this year.

"As an accountant, I appreciate the complexities of conducting a consolidated audit of the DoD," Enzi wrote. "While this initiative may be far overdue, I recognize it will take some time for the Pentagon to fundamentally improve its financial accounting systems. We cannot, however, be dissuaded by the long-term nature of the task."

An aide to the senator, who is one of the leading fiscal conservatives in Congress, said the chairman plans to make oversight of the Pentagon audit effort a top priority for the budget panel this year.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24338 Posts
February 22 2018 02:15 GMT
#199013
On February 22 2018 11:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Won't happen.

Show nested quote +
If the Pentagon can't do a better job of managing its finances Congress may have to consider withholding some of the additional funds the military is slated to receive under a new budget deal, the Republican chairman of the Senate Budget Committee warned Wednesday.

Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming was responding to a recent report in POLITICO about an initial audit of the Pentagon's massive logistics arm that concluded it could not account for hundreds of millions of dollars.

"Taxpayers must have trust and confidence that their hard-earned dollars are being spent wisely," Enzi, who was an accountant in private life, wrote in a letter to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. "If such trust and confidence cannot be built and justified, it will be incredibly difficult to achieve the three to five percent real growth in defense spending you have identified as required to meet mission requirements."

The independent audit of the Defense Logistics Agency, which was completed in December for the Pentagon's Inspector General by accounting firm Ernst & Young, found major gaps at the agency that acquires goods and services for the military and has an annual budget of about $40 billion.

"The independent auditors cited an inability to ensure the accuracy of financial statements related to hundreds of millions of dollars of construction-in-progress contracts and internal software," Enzi wrote. "They also noted problems reconciling DLA's ledger with that of the Treasury Department weaknesses in the agency's IT software, and a general lack of oversight mechanisms."

The DLA, which has long had a reputation for weak financial controls, is the largest Pentagon agency to undergo an audit. It is seen as a test case for a broader effort to scrub the books across the Department of Defense, which has an estimated $2.2 trillion in assets but has never passed an audit.

In his letter to Mattis, Enzi is seeking more information how the Pentagon is applying the lessons of the DLA audit and details on its plans to spend an estimated $900 million to conduct a full audit of the Pentagon in the coming years.

Enzi requested that Mattis respond to his concerns by March 15.

“It is important for Congress to better understand how DOD is translating audit findings into changes in its business practices,” he wrote.

Enzi's warnings come just weeks after Congress and President Donald Trump agreed to a two-year budget deal that is set to deliver a huge increase in spending to the Department of Defense, beginning with an extra $68 billion through October of this year.

"As an accountant, I appreciate the complexities of conducting a consolidated audit of the DoD," Enzi wrote. "While this initiative may be far overdue, I recognize it will take some time for the Pentagon to fundamentally improve its financial accounting systems. We cannot, however, be dissuaded by the long-term nature of the task."

An aide to the senator, who is one of the leading fiscal conservatives in Congress, said the chairman plans to make oversight of the Pentagon audit effort a top priority for the budget panel this year.


Source



Department of Defense, which has an estimated $2.2 trillion in assets but has never passed an audit.


What exactly is the point of auditing if there is no consequence for NEVER passing one?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 02:26:48
February 22 2018 02:22 GMT
#199014
Also in Florida town hall about gun control Rubio is being ripped apart, this is why Gov. Scott and other GOP members did not attend.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 02:49:49
February 22 2018 02:46 GMT
#199015
I give him credit for showing up, which is a lot harder than people think.

The laws in that state are also terrible and he should just admit it. 18 years olds can get an AR-15, but not a 9mm or beer.

Edit: also that Dad is amazing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
February 22 2018 02:50 GMT
#199016
On February 22 2018 11:46 Plansix wrote:
I give him credit for showing up, which is a lot harder than people think.

The laws in that state are also terrible and he should just admit it. 18 years olds can get an AR-15, but not a 9mm or beer.
Handguns in general are alot harder to obtain in most states but long guns like an AR-15 tend to have few restrictions. That's probably because we perceived handguns, smaller weapons you can hide as a bigger threat to the general public. Which in part is probably true when it comes to gun deaths on the avg, but not true when it comes to as weapon of choice in terrorism.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24338 Posts
February 22 2018 02:53 GMT
#199017
On February 22 2018 11:46 Plansix wrote:
I give him credit for showing up, which is a lot harder than people think.

The laws in that state are also terrible and he should just admit it. 18 years olds can get an AR-15, but not a 9mm or beer.

Edit: also that Dad is amazing.


We should probably have a special ceremony for awarding him a participation trophy too.

How low have we set the bar where simply listening to your constituents after a mass murder is something to be lauded.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 02:54:13
February 22 2018 02:53 GMT
#199018
Someone asked Rubio to refuse any NRA money, and obviously he tried to deflect. He just keeps repeating that "people buy into my agenda"... rather poor choice of words.

I can see the ads now - Rubio, bought and paid for by the NRA by his own admission.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 22 2018 02:56 GMT
#199019
If he could pull off the “I don’t want to be a Senator but never mind I actually do” stunt he did in ‘16 and come out pretty much unscathed, I see little benefit from any “bought and paid for by the NRA” attacks.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 22 2018 02:57 GMT
#199020
Make no mistake Rubio desperately wants to be President one day.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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