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That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that. And I don't need an excuse to be rude, I do so as I please. As do you, by saying I have "primary school logic." So I think your hypocritical manner policing is ridiculous. Anyway, a petty back-and-forth without any substance shouldn't be happening here, plz pm if we should continue. I'd have done it myself, but the last guy I pm'ed said he didn't wanna debate privately. It just seems inappropriate to waste space here on garbage posts like these
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too.
Are you trying to claim I was wrong for calling you out for being rude because I most likely don't call out other people for being rude? Is that an excuse for you being rude? I mean if this is primary school then the logical argument is appropriate.
And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
I agree there seems to be a bit of brainwashing going on.
@petra trump may well have held mor erallies, I don't know, but did far less work overall. There's a lot more to campaigning than holding rallies; hillary focused more on behind the scenes/less visible work (which is what she's better at), building campaigning infrastructure/committees and such. if you look up information on the "ground game" as it's called you may find something. I don't have much detail in memory anymore; also you should be less rude.
hmm, it looks like you edit-deleted your post after i'd responded, oh well.
Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
And I don't need an excuse to be rude, I do so as I please.
I see. I suppose I will just disregard what you say in the future due to your attitude being what it is and clearly having no chance of resulting in a fruitful discussion for anyone.
As do you, by saying I have "primary school logic." So I think your hypocritical manner policing is ridiculous.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were making a common but flawed argument rather than just choosing to be rude and obnoxious by default, but I won't do that anymore. So you are aware, the moderators here (who aren't already involved in the conversation and thus recused) do not take kindly to people intentionally being rude or inflammatory, as they please, in a discussion thread.
Anyway, a petty back-and-forth without any substance shouldn't be happening here, plz pm if we should continue. I'd have done it myself, but the last guy I pm'ed said he didn't wanna debate privately. It just seems inappropriate to waste space here on garbage posts like these
The discussion wasn't really a petty back-and-forth when you decided to involve yourself with your intentional rudeness. For example, I was interested in research to show whether or not certain effects actually exist, as opposed to just claiming without evidence that my position is right and those with other positions are acting 'retarded' as you put it.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
I was saying that not everyone can see past those differences like you assume others do and as you do, and because a significant number of people don't, "the left" (because we're totally all unified in every belief) isn't spending a disproportionate amount of time in it because some people legitimately do think like that. I know you don't completely ignore your biases, i'm trying to say that a lot of people don't. Besides, many parts of someone's identity are not super visible like race and gender, which are the easiest to understand and to view.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
And the “take it to PM” is some middle school passive aggressive bullshit. We’ve all been on the internet long enough to know that means “I’m going to be a dick to you in the thread and then act like it’s your problem”.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
I wasn't complaining about mods, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some fellow pleb calling me rude. Learn to read. I hope this thread turns into political discussion again!
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
Huh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if you're saying there aren't leftists calling Trump supporters racists and sexists, then you are an insane person. Literally go back 1 page and you can see it.
Edit:
On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote: And the “take it to PM” is some middle school passive aggressive bullshit. We’ve all been on the internet long enough to know that means “I’m going to be a dick to you in the thread and then act like it’s your problem”.
Or.. I would be open to having a lengthy personal exchange about a specific topic without taking up excessive space in a public discussion thread. But you are a paranoid crazy person.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
I wasn't complaining about mods, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some fellow pleb calling me rude. Learn to read. I hope this thread turns into political discussion again!
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
Huh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if you're saying there aren't leftists calling Trump supporters racists and sexists, then you are an insane person. Literally go back 1 page and you can see it.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
I wasn't complaining about mods, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some fellow pleb calling me rude. Learn to read. I hope this thread turns into political discussion again!
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
Huh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if you're saying there aren't leftists calling Trump supporters racists and sexists, then you are an insane person. Literally go back 1 page and you can see it.
On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote: And the “take it to PM” is some middle school passive aggressive bullshit. We’ve all been on the internet long enough to know that means “I’m going to be a dick to you in the thread and then act like it’s your problem”.
Or.. I would be open to having a lengthy personal exchange about a specific topic without taking up excessive space in a public discussion thread. But you are a paranoid crazy person.
well, you are being rude, aren't you? You even said it yourself on the last page (do I have to quote you or do you believe me on that without telling people that they can't read?). So I don't know why someone pointing out that you're rude would be something you need to repsond to if you yourself are aware of it and perhaps even do it on purpose.
That whole "I hope this goes back to a political discussion" is a whole bunch of BS and you know it. You explicitly came in here, being rude on purpose because you know that people would react to that, and when they do you accuse them of being offtopic for reacting to your slinging insults at them... Pretty sure that if you don't do that in the first place there would be a normal discussion
And just to be a 100% clear on this. I agree with you that there is an imbalance on who gets called out for slinging insults in here. Danglars, xDaunt etc certainly get way more heat than other people in her who post a dickish post. If I'm being an asshole in here people ignore it, if Danglars does it people storm at him and want to strangle him. Doesn't mean that either is okay though.
On February 11 2018 02:39 Plansix wrote: Nope. That didn’t happen.
Okay, this is my final attempt, then I'll give up.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names...
So after watching that short clip, is it still a strawman argument when I say that left-wing people call Trump supporters racists, sexists, etc... or not? There are basically an endless supply of examples, but if you don't think that is, then I guess we're at a dead end.
So after watching that short clip, is it still a strawman argument when I say that left-wing people call Trump supporters racists, sexists, etc... or not? There are basically an endless supply of examples, but if you don't think that is, then I guess we're at a dead end.
Left-wing people are not one giant melded overmind. There are different people with different opinions. Talk to the actual people here about their actual, stated opinions. Do not talk about hypothetical people who might exist somewhere, and then demand answers for their hypothetical crimes from people here because you throw them in the same basket.
How would you feel if i throw you in the same basket as some insane nazi on the internet, and demand that you justify his behaviour, just because you are both rightwing? That is what you are currently doing.
If you have a problem with something an actual person here has said, quote it and talk about that.
If you want to talk about that clinton video, that is also fine, but i do not think that that is what you want to do, you seem to want to use it as an example of how all of the leftists are so mean.
At what point did I argue the number of people doing that is zero? There are also Nazis that support trump. What does that prove that all Trump supporters also support Nazis? When you label people a vague group like leftist, you pretty much can argue anything because you can just lump anyone you want into that group.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
I wasn't complaining about mods, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some fellow pleb calling me rude. Learn to read. I hope this thread turns into political discussion again!
On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote:
On February 11 2018 01:53 PeTraSoHot wrote:
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
Huh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if you're saying there aren't leftists calling Trump supporters racists and sexists, then you are an insane person. Literally go back 1 page and you can see it.
Edit:
On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote: And the “take it to PM” is some middle school passive aggressive bullshit. We’ve all been on the internet long enough to know that means “I’m going to be a dick to you in the thread and then act like it’s your problem”.
Or.. I would be open to having a lengthy personal exchange about a specific topic without taking up excessive space in a public discussion thread. But you are a paranoid crazy person.
well, you are being rude, aren't you? You even said it yourself on the last page (do I have to quote you or do you believe me on that without telling people that they can't read?). So I don't know why someone pointing out that you're rude would be something you need to repsond to if you yourself are aware of it and perhaps even do it on purpose.
That whole "I hope this goes back to a political discussion" is a whole bunch of BS and you know it. You explicitly came in here, being rude on purpose because you know that people would react to that, and when they do you accuse them of being offtopic for reacting to your slinging insults at them... Pretty sure that if you don't do that in the first place there would be a normal discussion
And just to be a 100% clear on this. I agree with you that there is an imbalance on who gets called out for slinging insults in here. Danglars, xDaunt etc certainly get way more heat than other people in her who post a dickish post. If I'm being an asshole in here people ignore it, if Danglars does it people storm at him and want to strangle him. Doesn't mean that either is okay though.
Well you were very rude to me, too. So why is this a thing? Going back and forth.. "You're being rude. Stop kicking and screaming".. "Ohhh now you're being rude to me!"... and on and on I don't care if you are rude to me, but I'd certainly prefer if you were making an actual political argument while doing so, considering the thread we're in. You complain about rudeness, but those in glass houses should not throw stones.
On February 11 2018 03:02 Plansix wrote: At what point did I argue the number of people doing that is zero?
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names
It sorta seemed like you were, but I suppose this is a miscommunication. It happens.
you're the one who started the rudeness here petra; or at least escalated it greatly. yes it occurs a fair amount here on its own; but in this instance you're a clear instigator. you should calm down; and stop having the giant chip on your shoulder.
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
I wasn't complaining about mods, I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some fellow pleb calling me rude. Learn to read. I hope this thread turns into political discussion again!
On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote:
On February 11 2018 01:53 PeTraSoHot wrote:
On February 11 2018 01:22 Plansix wrote: Being rude is a great way to undercut an argument. Making some stawman argument about fictional people calling fictional Trump supporters names to justify it doesn’t add anything and only further undermines your points.
So saying that there are leftists who call Trump supporters racists and sexists.. is a strawman? That's some fictional right-wing conspiracy? Damn those Russian bots, they've tricked me again! I don't care about ur whining about rudeness and it does not undercut arguments. If you can't understand an argument because I was rude while I made it, that's your problem.
That's actually pretty funny and I'm glad you pointed to it. However, that 'experiment' doesn't do much to proved whether our society has this problem or not. There are way too many outside influences there.
Has anyone here ever considered that maybe people view other people as individuals with their own unique personalities and opinions, instead of viewing them as members of a certain race and gender? Radical idea, I know...
I'll address this question seriously even though it was clearly intended to be rude and obnoxious. Yes, I've considered that some people view others as individuals regardless of their race and gender. But your implication that most or all people don't inadvertently judge people based on their race and gender... no I don't agree with it.
I'm sure you call out people who call Trump supporters racists and sexists for their rudeness all the time, too. And I'm not trying to have an argument of extreme and idiotic opinions. Race and gender are integral parts of someone's identity and how people view them, but these are only two among MANY factors and people's obsession with and opinions of those two things are retarded... and I think demonstrates a certain level of brainwashing.
You state that race and gender are integral to how people are viewed, yet you do not make the connection between that and how it subconsciously affects your perception of people. It's not something that is super visible on the surface.
Do you not assume certain things about people? You might not think you do. But it's natural for humans to operate on stereotypes because they help you make quick decisions.
Have you ever met someone of another race and realize that you didn't really understand them at all and that they happened to surprise you, making you think "I don't understand how people can be so obsessed with race and gender," and not realize that the fact that the normalcy and deviance from the stereotyping of a race/gender surprising you is exactly what those people are talking about? The knowledge that you gained and are able to apply about differing stereotypes from real people is a skill that many Americans (I can't vouch for other countries), regardless of political ideology, are lacking.
Um it really doesn't look like you even read what I wrote. You just skimmed for keywords "race and gender differences" and then went on a worthless rant about how not all brown people are exactly the same. I've not ignored subconscious perceptions or stereotyping, I've said that leftists give a disproportionately large amount of significance and attention to race and gender while ignoring every other factor that plays into a person's identity. And then you did exactly that.
On February 11 2018 01:51 micronesia wrote:
On February 11 2018 00:45 PeTraSoHot wrote: Edit (responding to below): No, I'm claiming that you're a hypocrite for doing that.
Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite without evidence? How is it relevant to our discussion? Isn't it just a deflection?
Without evidence!? Are you joking dude? I told you exactly what it is. You only play manner police for Trump supporters, but not for leftists. Do you get it yet, or am I still deflecting? The rest of what you said was dumb, and it also lacked any actual substance.. more petty whining about rudeness. Keep that to pms. I think it's very rude to impose yourself in the discussion thread with your personal beef with me.
You are not arguing against anyone in this thread. You are arguing against these fictional leftist that you believe are prevelant enough to merit your outrage. Not one here is willing to humor that argument.
Huh? I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, but if you're saying there aren't leftists calling Trump supporters racists and sexists, then you are an insane person. Literally go back 1 page and you can see it.
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On February 11 2018 02:30 Plansix wrote: And the “take it to PM” is some middle school passive aggressive bullshit. We’ve all been on the internet long enough to know that means “I’m going to be a dick to you in the thread and then act like it’s your problem”.
Or.. I would be open to having a lengthy personal exchange about a specific topic without taking up excessive space in a public discussion thread. But you are a paranoid crazy person.
well, you are being rude, aren't you? You even said it yourself on the last page (do I have to quote you or do you believe me on that without telling people that they can't read?). So I don't know why someone pointing out that you're rude would be something you need to repsond to if you yourself are aware of it and perhaps even do it on purpose.
That whole "I hope this goes back to a political discussion" is a whole bunch of BS and you know it. You explicitly came in here, being rude on purpose because you know that people would react to that, and when they do you accuse them of being offtopic for reacting to your slinging insults at them... Pretty sure that if you don't do that in the first place there would be a normal discussion
And just to be a 100% clear on this. I agree with you that there is an imbalance on who gets called out for slinging insults in here. Danglars, xDaunt etc certainly get way more heat than other people in her who post a dickish post. If I'm being an asshole in here people ignore it, if Danglars does it people storm at him and want to strangle him. Doesn't mean that either is okay though.
Well you were very rude to me, too. So why is this a thing? Going back and forth.. "You're being rude. Stop kicking and screaming".. "Ohhh now you're being rude to me!"... and on and on I don't care if you are rude to me, but I'd certainly prefer if you were making an actual political argument while doing so, considering the thread we're in. You complain about rudeness, but those in glass houses should not throw stones.
I'm going to quote:
I think if you want to complain about moderators only going after Trump supporters while ignoring the left leaning guys in here you're better off complaining ... somewhere else. Never done it myself but I'm pretty sure there's some kind of feedback thread for that.
As I see it you got in here kicking and screaming for no apparent reason and you're the one that with the beef.
that's my post. Where in there have I been rude to you? You responded by saying I can't read. I'd personally say that's rude but I don't think anything I've said in my first post was particularly rude? I did return the favor afterwards by calling what you write BS but I'd say that's understandble giving your posting in here and how you treat me.
so please. Go ahead and highlight where I've been "very rude to you". I'm waiting.
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