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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
January 27 2018 20:17 GMT
#195801
On January 28 2018 03:36 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 00:02 Adreme wrote:
On January 27 2018 17:36 Danglars wrote:
On January 27 2018 14:52 LegalLord wrote:
WASHINGTON — A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.

Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, was a founder of the American Values Network and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.

He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.

Mr. Strider did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Those familiar with the accounts said that, over the years, a number of advisers urged Mrs. Clinton to sever ties with Mr. Strider, and people familiar with what took place did not want to see Mrs. Clinton blamed for the misconduct of men she was close to.

www.nytimes.com

Saw this story making the rounds. The coming reaction to it is probably more interesting than the story itself, though.

Like husband like wife.


I have to ask this in all honesty, what are you talking about? Normally I can figure out the weird stuff you see when you read things by simply going "How would someone who is determined to see x no matter what find a small thing that they could say might be x as long as you ignore everything around it? "

However I don't see how you made that logical leap? Maybe you mistyped the attack but it makes no sense. There is a perfectly viable attack path there and you decided on the one that makes no sense

Who does "like husband like wife" refer to in the context of that article, and what are some allegations that have been lodged against that person?


He is accused of harassing women and so was Bill but again in what world was she ever accused of it? Your attack makes no sense
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
January 27 2018 20:52 GMT
#195802
On January 28 2018 05:17 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 03:36 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 00:02 Adreme wrote:
On January 27 2018 17:36 Danglars wrote:
On January 27 2018 14:52 LegalLord wrote:
WASHINGTON — A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.

Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, was a founder of the American Values Network and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.

He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.

Mr. Strider did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Those familiar with the accounts said that, over the years, a number of advisers urged Mrs. Clinton to sever ties with Mr. Strider, and people familiar with what took place did not want to see Mrs. Clinton blamed for the misconduct of men she was close to.

www.nytimes.com

Saw this story making the rounds. The coming reaction to it is probably more interesting than the story itself, though.

Like husband like wife.


I have to ask this in all honesty, what are you talking about? Normally I can figure out the weird stuff you see when you read things by simply going "How would someone who is determined to see x no matter what find a small thing that they could say might be x as long as you ignore everything around it? "

However I don't see how you made that logical leap? Maybe you mistyped the attack but it makes no sense. There is a perfectly viable attack path there and you decided on the one that makes no sense

Who does "like husband like wife" refer to in the context of that article, and what are some allegations that have been lodged against that person?


He is accused of harassing women and so was Bill but again in what world was she ever accused of it? Your attack makes no sense


I think what he's trying to say is, that Melania is fucking that marine amongst other guys. Like Husband, like wife.

Of course, the entire "like husband like wife" thing is absolutely retarded.
On track to MA1950A.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 21:04 GMT
#195803
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:


Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 21:17 GMT
#195804
On January 28 2018 05:17 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 03:36 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 00:02 Adreme wrote:
On January 27 2018 17:36 Danglars wrote:
On January 27 2018 14:52 LegalLord wrote:
WASHINGTON — A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.

Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, was a founder of the American Values Network and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.

He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.

Mr. Strider did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

Those familiar with the accounts said that, over the years, a number of advisers urged Mrs. Clinton to sever ties with Mr. Strider, and people familiar with what took place did not want to see Mrs. Clinton blamed for the misconduct of men she was close to.

www.nytimes.com

Saw this story making the rounds. The coming reaction to it is probably more interesting than the story itself, though.

Like husband like wife.


I have to ask this in all honesty, what are you talking about? Normally I can figure out the weird stuff you see when you read things by simply going "How would someone who is determined to see x no matter what find a small thing that they could say might be x as long as you ignore everything around it? "

However I don't see how you made that logical leap? Maybe you mistyped the attack but it makes no sense. There is a perfectly viable attack path there and you decided on the one that makes no sense

Who does "like husband like wife" refer to in the context of that article, and what are some allegations that have been lodged against that person?


He is accused of harassing women and so was Bill but again in what world was she ever accused of it? Your attack makes no sense

Well, I'm not going to spoon feed you Bill's cover-ups of sexual escapades and assaults over decades. His wife evidently profited from his experience and their shared skill to help her 2008 campaign. If the harassment was a slap, maybe she advised her to put some ice on that!
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22050 Posts
January 27 2018 21:19 GMT
#195805
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 21:22 GMT
#195806
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-27 21:28:57
January 27 2018 21:23 GMT
#195807
I've read it a few times and I just want to make sure I read it right.

Hillary's faith adviser was a known harasser/abuser and rather than get rid of him, she moved the woman away. When advised to leave him behind she insisted on keeping him around.

Then tried this trash



That's what happened right?

EDIT: Everyone knows the questionable sexual escapades happen on Epstein's jet/Island/mansion, not pizzerias
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 27 2018 21:30 GMT
#195808
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 27 2018 21:32 GMT
#195809
wasn't a guy just arrested for trying to shoot up CNN?
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-27 21:54:00
January 27 2018 21:41 GMT
#195810
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

EDIT:
On January 28 2018 06:32 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
wasn't a guy just arrested for trying to shoot up CNN?


Threats and suspicion, not attempt. Unless there was another one. (businessinsider)
But regardless, what Trump is doing with his attacks on the press is tantamount to stochastic terrorism by the ****ing POTUS. Threats and possible terrorist action are a very real consequence of rhetoric like Trump's.

EDIT 2: Return of the EDIT
While the CNN thing was a threat, a pizza parlour was shot up, as a very very direct result of the pizzagate BS. (CBCNews)


Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 21:51 GMT
#195811
On January 28 2018 06:30 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.

Right, because talking about 4chan pizzeria guy from a CNN cringe video of a banana wasn't a strawman in the first place. Ok kids, this is CNN, showing you pictures of apples and bananas, because this will stop future child porn pizza conspiracies.

Does CNN have teenagers at the heads of whatever department creates and posts videos to their social media? Because this really sounds like the adults have left the room.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 21:55 GMT
#195812
On January 28 2018 06:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

You might even say it's a very smart way of conveying that your message isn't serious. Or that the same can be said of your news organization, no matter Trump's batting average on fake news accusations.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 27 2018 21:58 GMT
#195813
On January 28 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:30 hunts wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.

Right, because talking about 4chan pizzeria guy from a CNN cringe video of a banana wasn't a strawman in the first place. Ok kids, this is CNN, showing you pictures of apples and bananas, because this will stop future child porn pizza conspiracies.

Does CNN have teenagers at the heads of whatever department creates and posts videos to their social media? Because this really sounds like the adults have left the room.


It wasn't at all a strawman, because although really ham-fistedly, the dangers of fake news were exactly what the video was trying to warn about. The immature and idiotic way they have attempted to present the message don't stop it from being there (it really wasn't subtle or ambiguous at all, just poorly presented) or indeed relevant.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 27 2018 22:01 GMT
#195814
On January 28 2018 06:55 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

You might even say it's a very smart way of conveying that your message isn't serious. Or that the same can be said of your news organization, no matter Trump's batting average on fake news accusations.

You might say that, but you'd be talking shit.

CNN presents a lot of stuff really poorly and creates big, stupid panel arguments for views, sure. But that is not fake, just meh. They still have some very serious reporters who are by and large, doing their thing. To in any way justify Trump's attacks (even with your little caveat) is sick.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 22:13 GMT
#195815
On January 28 2018 06:58 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:30 hunts wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.

Right, because talking about 4chan pizzeria guy from a CNN cringe video of a banana wasn't a strawman in the first place. Ok kids, this is CNN, showing you pictures of apples and bananas, because this will stop future child porn pizza conspiracies.

Does CNN have teenagers at the heads of whatever department creates and posts videos to their social media? Because this really sounds like the adults have left the room.


It wasn't at all a strawman, because although really ham-fistedly, the dangers of fake news were exactly what the video was trying to warn about. The immature and idiotic way they have attempted to present the message don't stop it from being there (it really wasn't subtle or ambiguous at all, just poorly presented) or indeed relevant.

I can't even logically conclude it's "trying to warn about." It's actually more concerned with convincing the viewer that people will commit errors as outright false as calling a banana an apple. That it's going to be a slow progression from joke to repetition to believing and "someone gets hurt." It's trying to sell their construction of what's going on around them, and it's doing a very very poor job.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 27 2018 22:16 GMT
#195816
On January 28 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:30 hunts wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.

Right, because talking about 4chan pizzeria guy from a CNN cringe video of a banana wasn't a strawman in the first place. Ok kids, this is CNN, showing you pictures of apples and bananas, because this will stop future child porn pizza conspiracies.

Does CNN have teenagers at the heads of whatever department creates and posts videos to their social media? Because this really sounds like the adults have left the room.


The people you choose to side with and adamantly defend choose to push actual fake news that almost ends in innocent people dying, as well as are the ones attempting to carry out terrorist attacks on innocent Americans. And yet you still attack CNN for trying to educate people about this. Let that sink in for a second. You are here attacking CNN for making a video about the dangers of the people you support peddling dangerous fake news that almost ends in innocents dying.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 27 2018 22:18 GMT
#195817
On January 28 2018 07:01 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:55 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

You might even say it's a very smart way of conveying that your message isn't serious. Or that the same can be said of your news organization, no matter Trump's batting average on fake news accusations.

You might say that, but you'd be talking shit.

CNN presents a lot of stuff really poorly and creates big, stupid panel arguments for views, sure. But that is not fake, just meh. They still have some very serious reporters who are by and large, doing their thing. To in any way justify Trump's attacks (even with your little caveat) is sick.

We've had this debate before, but the takeaway is their cadre of activist reporters and journalists have a habit of publishing mostly made up or deliberately misleading accounts meant to persuade the reader. Some of it's #Resist, some of it's the management's antagonism towards Trump, and some of it's just a normal lefty-biased reporter with poor journalistic standards without editorial feedback. The rest, and I know there's "some, I assume, are good reporters," get tarnished and it's sad. Maybe in time and forgetfulness and changes they can heal their credibility problem.
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hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 27 2018 22:23 GMT
#195818
On January 28 2018 07:18 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 07:01 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:55 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

You might even say it's a very smart way of conveying that your message isn't serious. Or that the same can be said of your news organization, no matter Trump's batting average on fake news accusations.

You might say that, but you'd be talking shit.

CNN presents a lot of stuff really poorly and creates big, stupid panel arguments for views, sure. But that is not fake, just meh. They still have some very serious reporters who are by and large, doing their thing. To in any way justify Trump's attacks (even with your little caveat) is sick.

We've had this debate before, but the takeaway is their cadre of activist reporters and journalists have a habit of publishing mostly made up or deliberately misleading accounts meant to persuade the reader. Some of it's #Resist, some of it's the management's antagonism towards Trump, and some of it's just a normal lefty-biased reporter with poor journalistic standards without editorial feedback. The rest, and I know there's "some, I assume, are good reporters," get tarnished and it's sad. Maybe in time and forgetfulness and changes they can heal their credibility problem.


Funny, I don't remember anyone other than you and maybe someone like xdaunt having that takeaway, but sure.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-27 22:25:53
January 27 2018 22:24 GMT
#195819
On January 28 2018 07:16 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 06:51 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:30 hunts wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:22 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:19 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:04 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:51 GoTuNk! wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


There is a well known parody of this CNN video:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://youtu.be/9ifBHLSqc1M

Yeah. It isn't the first video in the genre. It's like Trump's trite "Fake News" riffs live inside their head, and they have to lash out with videos of fruit and #FactsFirst to support a countervailing narrative.

The warning that it would start as a joke. It's only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. It's just so cringey. The applel shit might have been some small, young team's brainchild, but to try it again?

Yeah, its very cringe.
Until someone walked into a pizzeria and shot up the place because the 'news' told him there was a child prostitution ring in the back.

This isn't cringe narrative pushing. It has sadly become reality already.

Hey, I'm all for you linking CNN to 4chan. Carry on.


Come on dangles, it's as if you're not even trying anymore. You didn't dispute what he said at all, that your alt right fake news people you so eagerly defend and associate with have pushed such bullshit that a guy went and tried to shoot up a pizzaria. You just strawman and try to divert away completely.

Right, because talking about 4chan pizzeria guy from a CNN cringe video of a banana wasn't a strawman in the first place. Ok kids, this is CNN, showing you pictures of apples and bananas, because this will stop future child porn pizza conspiracies.

Does CNN have teenagers at the heads of whatever department creates and posts videos to their social media? Because this really sounds like the adults have left the room.


The people you choose to side with and adamantly defend choose to push actual fake news that almost ends in innocent people dying, as well as are the ones attempting to carry out terrorist attacks on innocent Americans. And yet you still attack CNN for trying to educate people about this. Let that sink in for a second. You are here attacking CNN for making a video about the dangers of the people you support peddling dangerous fake news that almost ends in innocents dying.

A Bernie Sanders supporter walked to a Republican baseball game and shot Congressmen. Don't tell me about innocent people dying.

Secondly, I side with people that think the video's silly and prove CNN's got a seriousness problem on their social media.

Thirdly, and this is the other post I made, it's really about them convincing people that black and white truths like apple/banana are close to what's going to be erased through repetition.

Let that sink in: they had a guy do a voiceover on fruit and you're calling criticism "attacking CNN for making a video about the dangers of the people you support." I don't really know if there's a video solution for people that dislike criticism that much.

On January 28 2018 07:23 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 07:18 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 07:01 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:55 Danglars wrote:
On January 28 2018 06:41 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On January 28 2018 04:48 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/957014930535874571

Trump has seriously warped this news organization. They're actually tweeting this out. I thought it was a parody at first. These guys should start running Sesame Street.


It's a really dumb way of conveying a very serious and accurate message.
The warping of the very idea of reality and the continued narrative that the media cannot be trusted to report on the administration are much, much more serious than a bad analogy.

You might even say it's a very smart way of conveying that your message isn't serious. Or that the same can be said of your news organization, no matter Trump's batting average on fake news accusations.

You might say that, but you'd be talking shit.

CNN presents a lot of stuff really poorly and creates big, stupid panel arguments for views, sure. But that is not fake, just meh. They still have some very serious reporters who are by and large, doing their thing. To in any way justify Trump's attacks (even with your little caveat) is sick.

We've had this debate before, but the takeaway is their cadre of activist reporters and journalists have a habit of publishing mostly made up or deliberately misleading accounts meant to persuade the reader. Some of it's #Resist, some of it's the management's antagonism towards Trump, and some of it's just a normal lefty-biased reporter with poor journalistic standards without editorial feedback. The rest, and I know there's "some, I assume, are good reporters," get tarnished and it's sad. Maybe in time and forgetfulness and changes they can heal their credibility problem.


Funny, I don't remember anyone other than you and maybe someone like xdaunt having that takeaway, but sure.

This forum isn't famous for a spectrum of ideological diversity. It's more the place where you accuse opponents of hating brown people and loving Trump.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 27 2018 22:27 GMT
#195820
So the FBI thwarts a terrorist attack on CNN, after the terrorist used the same language against them that Trump uses against them. CNN creates a video about the subject. Danglars makes the video into an issue of greater importance than the terrorist.

Oh and Trump didn't make a meaningful effort to fire Mueller and launch a campaign to discredit his team and the FBI. That's all CNN fake news. Trump has the right to do those things. But he didn't actually do those things because it's CNN fake news. And even if he did do those things, there's still this banana video, so why are we paying so much attention to Trump having threatened the jobs of Sessions, Comey, Rosenstein and Mueller? It's not a big deal that there's an ongoing FBI investigation of obstruction by the president, because CNN.
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