EPTOn January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.
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Mohdoo
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Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism. | ||
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IyMoon
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On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote: Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism. I don't get it, how is it mccarthyism? | ||
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Mohdoo
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Basically just the idea that all accusations of subversion or treason are politically motivated and that nothing trump-russia is remotely bad or even real. | ||
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Danglars
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On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote: Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism. You definitely need to reflect on what was actually called McCarthyism at the time. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On January 12 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote: You definitely need to reflect on what was actually called McCarthyism at the time. There are numerous posters here who did not even believe any relationship between trump's team and russia existed at all. | ||
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Danglars
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On January 12 2018 03:47 Mohdoo wrote: There are numerous posters here who did not even believe any relationship between trump's team and russia existed at all. Still not the reason certain dialogue and activity was characterized as McCarthyism. But if you prefer your current recollection to looking up keywords and revisiting the context, we’re done here. | ||
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Logo
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On January 12 2018 03:55 Plansix wrote: Calling the investigation into Russian interference McCarthyism only showed a very poor understanding of what made McCarthyism so terrible. The current investigations involve due process, for one. There is a lot of McCarthyism going around the investigation though from the outside. Like follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, he gets called a Russian stooge pretty much every day because he asks for caution in drawing conclusions and shows a healthy distrust information when it is based only on word of mouth without concrete facts. | ||
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Doodsmack
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ticklishmusic
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Alright, do our law folks agree it's weird that all these guys are using the same lawyer? | ||
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Plansix
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ticklishmusic
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Danglars
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On January 12 2018 04:08 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/markwarner/status/951456651827208192 The FBI’s resistance to oversight and turning over documents related to the dossier and FISA warrant is troubling. Congress should absolutely argue for concessions or change the bill to grant them more access. If you want FISA to stay, become more responsible. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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On January 12 2018 04:03 Logo wrote: There is a lot of McCarthyism going around the investigation though from the outside. Like follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, he gets called a Russian stooge pretty much every day because he asks for caution in drawing conclusions and shows a healthy distrust information when it is based only on word of mouth without concrete facts. But he is not being investigated, has no charges, has not appeared before courts or government committees. His career has not been systematically destroyed through any kind of official action smearing his reputation. If the bar is "people on the internet said things", then you might as well not define the term. | ||
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Danglars
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MD-3 (and thread). | ||
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Gorsameth
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Ayaz2810
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Plansix
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On January 12 2018 04:58 Ayaz2810 wrote: Ask him to link how many D vs how many R districts are gerrymandered. Cherry pick more. He just proves the point that it is a problem that needs to be addressed. If Republicans had half a brain, they would jump on it before 2020. If they get dumpstered in that election, they get to deal with gerrymandering by Democrats for 10 years. | ||
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Logo
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On January 12 2018 04:49 WolfintheSheep wrote: But he is not being investigated, has no charges, has not appeared before courts or government committees. His career has not been systematically destroyed through any kind of official action smearing his reputation. If the bar is "people on the internet said things", then you might as well not define the term. yeah I think it's fair enough point that McCarthyism is thrown around a bit too liberally, but it's still the same sort of red scare treatment that led to the rise of McCarthyism in the first place with a lot of accusations being thrown around without evidence (and this is by "well known" people not twitter randos). | ||
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Doodsmack
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On January 12 2018 04:47 Danglars wrote: The FBI’s resistance to oversight and turning over documents related to the dossier and FISA warrant is troubling. Congress should absolutely argue for concessions or change the bill to grant them more access. If you want FISA to stay, become more responsible. This certainly was not the viewpoint implied by Trump's tweet. It seems probable that Trump learned from Fox this morning that the law was up for a vote. And it seems probable that Trump doesn't know much of anything about it or about security generally. | ||
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