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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 11 2018 18:23 GMT
#193281
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
January 11 2018 18:28 GMT
#193282
On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/951500906364854272


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.


I don't get it, how is it mccarthyism?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 11 2018 18:34 GMT
#193283
On January 12 2018 03:28 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/951500906364854272


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.


I don't get it, how is it mccarthyism?


Basically just the idea that all accusations of subversion or treason are politically motivated and that nothing trump-russia is remotely bad or even real.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 11 2018 18:46 GMT
#193284
On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/951500906364854272


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.

You definitely need to reflect on what was actually called McCarthyism at the time.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 11 2018 18:47 GMT
#193285
On January 12 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/951500906364854272


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.

You definitely need to reflect on what was actually called McCarthyism at the time.


There are numerous posters here who did not even believe any relationship between trump's team and russia existed at all.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 11 2018 18:52 GMT
#193286
On January 12 2018 03:47 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On January 12 2018 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
On January 12 2018 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/951500906364854272


Let's take a moment to, once again, reflect on the posters here who repeatedly said this is mccarthyism.

You definitely need to reflect on what was actually called McCarthyism at the time.


There are numerous posters here who did not even believe any relationship between trump's team and russia existed at all.

Still not the reason certain dialogue and activity was characterized as McCarthyism. But if you prefer your current recollection to looking up keywords and revisiting the context, we’re done here.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 11 2018 18:55 GMT
#193287
Calling the investigation into Russian interference McCarthyism only showed a very poor understanding of what made McCarthyism so terrible. The current investigations involve due process, for one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
January 11 2018 19:03 GMT
#193288
On January 12 2018 03:55 Plansix wrote:
Calling the investigation into Russian interference McCarthyism only showed a very poor understanding of what made McCarthyism so terrible. The current investigations involve due process, for one.


There is a lot of McCarthyism going around the investigation though from the outside. Like follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, he gets called a Russian stooge pretty much every day because he asks for caution in drawing conclusions and shows a healthy distrust information when it is based only on word of mouth without concrete facts.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 11 2018 19:08 GMT
#193289
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 11 2018 19:16 GMT
#193290


Alright, do our law folks agree it's weird that all these guys are using the same lawyer?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 11 2018 19:20 GMT
#193291
If they same attorney is representing all of them, that is super weird. The same firm could do it with different attorneys and some internal divisions to avoid conducts. But most firms I hav worked for don’t like to do that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 11 2018 19:23 GMT
#193292
It's literally the same attorney. Not just attorneys from the firm.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 11 2018 19:47 GMT
#193293
On January 12 2018 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/markwarner/status/951456651827208192

The FBI’s resistance to oversight and turning over documents related to the dossier and FISA warrant is troubling. Congress should absolutely argue for concessions or change the bill to grant them more access. If you want FISA to stay, become more responsible.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 11 2018 19:49 GMT
#193294
On January 12 2018 04:03 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 03:55 Plansix wrote:
Calling the investigation into Russian interference McCarthyism only showed a very poor understanding of what made McCarthyism so terrible. The current investigations involve due process, for one.


There is a lot of McCarthyism going around the investigation though from the outside. Like follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, he gets called a Russian stooge pretty much every day because he asks for caution in drawing conclusions and shows a healthy distrust information when it is based only on word of mouth without concrete facts.

But he is not being investigated, has no charges, has not appeared before courts or government committees. His career has not been systematically destroyed through any kind of official action smearing his reputation.

If the bar is "people on the internet said things", then you might as well not define the term.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 11 2018 19:52 GMT
#193295



MD-3 (and thread).
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21914 Posts
January 11 2018 19:57 GMT
#193296
That is some fucked up voting district...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
January 11 2018 19:58 GMT
#193297
Ask him to link how many D vs how many R districts are gerrymandered. Cherry pick more.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-11 20:01:18
January 11 2018 19:59 GMT
#193298
Yet more evidence that gerrymandering is an issue that transcends party lines and is a threat to democracy. If Republicans are upset that the Democrats are doing it too, I welcome them to join the Democrats trying to end the practice and have independent third parties draw districts.

On January 12 2018 04:58 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Ask him to link how many D vs how many R districts are gerrymandered. Cherry pick more.


He just proves the point that it is a problem that needs to be addressed. If Republicans had half a brain, they would jump on it before 2020. If they get dumpstered in that election, they get to deal with gerrymandering by Democrats for 10 years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-11 20:17:09
January 11 2018 20:14 GMT
#193299
On January 12 2018 04:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 04:03 Logo wrote:
On January 12 2018 03:55 Plansix wrote:
Calling the investigation into Russian interference McCarthyism only showed a very poor understanding of what made McCarthyism so terrible. The current investigations involve due process, for one.


There is a lot of McCarthyism going around the investigation though from the outside. Like follow Glenn Greenwald on Twitter, he gets called a Russian stooge pretty much every day because he asks for caution in drawing conclusions and shows a healthy distrust information when it is based only on word of mouth without concrete facts.

But he is not being investigated, has no charges, has not appeared before courts or government committees. His career has not been systematically destroyed through any kind of official action smearing his reputation.

If the bar is "people on the internet said things", then you might as well not define the term.


yeah I think it's fair enough point that McCarthyism is thrown around a bit too liberally, but it's still the same sort of red scare treatment that led to the rise of McCarthyism in the first place with a lot of accusations being thrown around without evidence (and this is by "well known" people not twitter randos).
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
January 11 2018 20:22 GMT
#193300
On January 12 2018 04:47 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2018 04:08 Doodsmack wrote:
https://twitter.com/markwarner/status/951456651827208192

The FBI’s resistance to oversight and turning over documents related to the dossier and FISA warrant is troubling. Congress should absolutely argue for concessions or change the bill to grant them more access. If you want FISA to stay, become more responsible.


This certainly was not the viewpoint implied by Trump's tweet. It seems probable that Trump learned from Fox this morning that the law was up for a vote. And it seems probable that Trump doesn't know much of anything about it or about security generally.
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