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On December 31 2017 23:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 23:42 Sermokala wrote:On December 31 2017 23:20 Uldridge wrote:
You actually think geo political influences evaporate because they were set up 50+ years ago? I didn't realize that Geo political influences follow newtons laws of physics. I'll go let cuba know that the USSR falling didn't influence their geo political situation. I mean if for no other reason it matters because the elders of the population have it in their living memory. I feel it's pretty obvious the reason I was referring to was the part of my post mozo ignored though.
But the thing we're talking about is the protests that are going on from the people who weren't around/ don't remmeber the shitty cold war things we did. It just comes off as a werid statement that makes no sense from Uldridge trying to continue his anti Us in all things narrative.
On January 01 2018 00:16 Uldridge wrote:
@Sermokala
I don't know what you're arguing, really. It's against my hyperbolic speech or something? Of course Cuba'a situation jas changed, but the USSR heavily influenced the situation they're in today. It's the same with all the parties involved in the Middle East.
You could say the USSR's geopolitcal influences evaporated beacuse they were set up 50+ years ago and things have happened in the world from that time till now.
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People not being around then doesn't mean there aren't any repercussions for those people. Same goes for USSR influences. Do you actually think that local political spheres aren't influenced by what happened before? It's completely naive to absolve the past from influencing the present.
Sure, things are happening in the world from that time till now, but it takes time to change things and I'd argue that it takes more than 50 years to erode things that had a major impact on societies.
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On December 31 2017 15:07 doomdonker wrote:
I'm aware that I've got no opinion worth anything. I've never really professed otherwise. The thing is that I'm also aware that the person you're trotting out doesn't have one worth anything either. Whether or not her Twitter thread is valid, she's going to pick and choose anything related to Islam because that's her game. I don't know how an American came across such a person but I think it really says a lot about you and your media consumption habits.
She's basically a hatemonger in the Australia media landscape. There's basically no way to put it in any way, she's in the same boat as Andrew Bolt where they have not once ever hit back against the racist whether it be Pauline Hanson or actual fascist groups like Australia First. The fact that an American who has been accused of being insensitive to race in this thread is looking up the Twitter page of an Australian journalist who wants to eliminate Section 18C on the basis that it "silences" conservatives speaks volumes.
For people who aren't aware, Section 18C basically says that you're not allowed to publicly offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person based on race or nationality. Section 18D protects people who might say something controversial that breaches 18C if said comments were said in good faith. You're not going to get into trouble for saying Islam is a problem for Western society due to their beliefs towards women. You're not going to get into trouble saying Australia's harsh immigration policy is needed because we need to secure our borders. You only going to get into trouble if you say that the Holocaust didn't happen and Jews are making it up because they're greedy backstabbers in a public forum like a newspaper or political ad.
You literally have to pull an Andrew Bolt and say that light skinned Aboriginals with some degree of European decent cannot sufficiently identify as Aboriginal, and only identify as such to game the system like the welfare cheats they are, to get busted by 18C. Its that difficult, even "The Australian" newspaper completely making up paragraphs from a French study investigating Muslim gang raping gangs didn't get busted by 18C because the overall point they were making could be considered fair. Only overt racists have an actual problem with 18C (and 18D) since you're only ever going to get busted if you run around newspapers and TV shows saying Aboriginals are petrol sniffing wastes of skin.
So really, how did you end up following Rita Panahi out of all the journalists in the world?
My point was that some random internet denizen going off about how <x> is a blight upon the world is not convincing. I used the Breitbart example to try and show that you're mimicking that behavior of trolls using ad hominem rhetoric. I wasn't asking for you to explain a second time why you're an expert on really really hating her. I wanted a little more than some guy I don't know telling me that he's trustworthy to declare others untrustworthy. I don't know what your angle is, but you're acting like your string of slurs is sufficient, but it isn't even close. I would say the same about any other rando slinging out globalist this and cuck that instead of hatemonger this and fascist that. I'm not in your world and I'm not exposed to all the hidden sources that developed your hate.
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On January 01 2018 00:16 Uldridge wrote:
@Sermokala
I don't know what you're arguing, really. It's against my hyperbolic speech or something? Of course Cuba'a situation jas changed, but the USSR heavily influenced the situation they're in today. It's the same with all the parties involved in the Middle East.
Errr... what was once known as the USSA is now known as the Russian Federation, as of 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell down
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On January 01 2018 04:34 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 00:16 Uldridge wrote:
@Sermokala
I don't know what you're arguing, really. It's against my hyperbolic speech or something? Of course Cuba'a situation jas changed, but the USSR heavily influenced the situation they're in today. It's the same with all the parties involved in the Middle East. Errr... what was once known as the USSA is now known as the Russian Federation, as of 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell down
The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and it was considerably bigger than the Russian Federation.
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On January 01 2018 04:34 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 00:16 Uldridge wrote:
@Sermokala
I don't know what you're arguing, really. It's against my hyperbolic speech or something? Of course Cuba'a situation jas changed, but the USSR heavily influenced the situation they're in today. It's the same with all the parties involved in the Middle East. Errr... what was once known as the USSA is now known as the Russian Federation, as of 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell down
not sure why you're saying "err"; as what you're saying doesn't contradict what he's saying at all.
it seems like oyu were trying to make a point, but i'm not seeing it.
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Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president!
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On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president!
opinion noted, but you shouldn't falsely attribute to him things that had little to nothing to do with him (the economic stuff).
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On December 31 2017 21:16 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2017 19:02 mozoku wrote:On December 31 2017 12:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 31 2017 12:23 Danglars wrote:
All Trump’s done to involve America in this is a tweet in support. I hope for more behind the scenes. The Iranian people deserve freedom from the repressive Islamic Republic. (Whole twitter thread is worth seeing) I love how people in the US so easily forget how Iran got this way in the first place. Remind me again what tyrannical maniacs ousted Iran's democratically elected leader and sponsored a dictator? Then who was it that sponsored Iraq invading Iran after they overthrew that dictator that others installed? The US has no interest in promoting freedom and democracy if it isn't subservient to US interests. Pretending otherwise is how we've been spending the last ~60 years fighting former allies armed with weapons they got from us. I have zero idea why you're using 1953 USA actions about to inform judgements about how 2017 USA uses its power. Really? No idea?
My bad. Obviously a British-initiated coup in the 50s over a vaguely legitimate oil dispute (of which the US was generally on Iran's side and was a resulting point of tension in US-British relations due to the concurrent Korean War where Britain was a US ally) that Truman opposed and more aggressively anti-communist (a platform he ran on in 1952) Eisenhower continued (only months after his inauguration) after the "democratically elected leader" (who himself had a loyal Soviet-supported violent mob behind him) won his rigged referendum that essentially made him a dictator says tons about the value US places on promoting foreign democracy for its in sake in 2017.
Like I said before, your portrayal of the relevant history is uselessly shallow and obviously curated to fit your leftist anti-US narrative. Even my summary above is pretty inadequate because the events surrounding Iranian coup in 1953 were extremely complex. There's not really a strong argument that the US was the actor primarily responsible for the deterioration of Iran's government in the early 1950s once you're familiar with the relevant events of the time period though. You'd have a much more valid argument if you chose to blame Britain I think, and then argued Eisenhower overestimated the geopolitical fallout of Mossadegh staying in power.
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On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president!
Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too.
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On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too.
It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit.
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On January 01 2018 07:28 wasaru79 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too. It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit.
There is a wealth of research saying that immigration is beneficial to the United States in many ways. Quite frankly, putting the United States first and having its best interest in mind means that we'd eagerly welcome immigration!
The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.
Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy
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On January 01 2018 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:28 wasaru79 wrote:On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too. It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit. There is a wealth of research saying that immigration is beneficial to the United States in many ways. Quite frankly, putting the United States first and having its best interest in mind means that we'd eagerly welcome immigration! Show nested quote +The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.
Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy
Depends where the "foreigners" are coming from, my man.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9
As a great man once said, Mexico isn't sending their best.
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On January 01 2018 07:28 wasaru79 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too. It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit.
all US presidents have put the US first since ALWAYS.
the only difference is their assessment of what is to the benefit of the US.
so it's a not a change; do you have any points that are actually true to back up your claims?
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On January 01 2018 07:39 wasaru79 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 07:28 wasaru79 wrote:On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too. It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit. There is a wealth of research saying that immigration is beneficial to the United States in many ways. Quite frankly, putting the United States first and having its best interest in mind means that we'd eagerly welcome immigration! The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.
Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy Depends where the "foreigners" are coming from, my man. http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9As a great man once said, Mexico isn't sending their best.
I honestly don't know what you're saying here. How does any of the analysis linked showcase that immigration isn't helpful to the US as a whole?
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On January 01 2018 07:39 wasaru79 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 07:28 wasaru79 wrote:On January 01 2018 07:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On January 01 2018 06:08 wasaru79 wrote:
Record number of illegal immigrants being arrested crossing the border, record low immigration, 2018 plans to allow in fewer refugees, record low unemployment rate, stock market that continues to get stronger and stronger each day...
GOD I love my president! Ignoring, for a second, the stuff on that list that shouldn't be attributed to him, why are you happy about a "record low" legal immigration rate, and why are you happy about not allowing sanctuary to refugees? Do you not like helping people who weren't born in the United States? Unless your family is Native American, at one point your family members were immigrants/ refugees too. It's nice to have a US president that puts the US first for a change. Europe has planted the seeds of its own destruction; thanks to President Trump, the United States isn't following suit. There is a wealth of research saying that immigration is beneficial to the United States in many ways. Quite frankly, putting the United States first and having its best interest in mind means that we'd eagerly welcome immigration! The available evidence suggests that immigration leads to more innovation, a better educated workforce, greater occupational specialization, better matching of skills with jobs, and higher overall economic productivity.
Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, and local budgets. http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy Depends where the "foreigners" are coming from, my man. http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9As a great man once said, Mexico isn't sending their best.
That graph doesn't refute all the net benefits that immigration has for the United States. At all.
And if you're quoting Trump, I'm going to do the largest one-liner summary ever and say "Donald Trump is not a great man".
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Imagine how horrible it'll be if immigration goes down and all the problems that simpletons attribute to foreigners still persist. Will they start blaming Americans?
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On January 01 2018 07:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
Imagine how horrible it'll be if immigration goes down and all the problems that simpletons attribute to foreigners still persist. Will they start blaming Americans?
yes they will; by choosing a subset of americans. to some extent they already do.
they'll also still blame foreigners even if there are none in the country (and again, many of them already do).
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On January 01 2018 07:57 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2018 07:47 Jockmcplop wrote:
Imagine how horrible it'll be if immigration goes down and all the problems that simpletons attribute to foreigners still persist. Will they start blaming Americans? yes they will; by choosing a subset of americans. to some extent they already do. they'll also still blame foreigners even if there are none in the country (and again, many of them already do).
Agreed. If it's not immigrants, it's blacks or Hispanics or gays or liberals or the poor or...
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