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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 20 2017 23:05 GMT
#191661
it's about convincing yourself that you enjoy and believe in what you're doing, really.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 20 2017 23:13 GMT
#191662
On December 21 2017 08:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
it's about convincing yourself that you enjoy and believe in what you're doing, really.


yeah and its nice when the company paying you $40k for dedicating 60 hours a week can help you with that by serving up some delicious, chilled kool-aid
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-20 23:24:35
December 20 2017 23:22 GMT
#191663
in my case, i do enjoy what i do, except there's too much of it. i describe it as i like the first 10 hours a day, but 11 and 12 and the weekends is where it gets to be a bit of a drag. i also get paid pretty well for what i do, so overall i would say i'm very fortunate. born into the middle class, good parents, good (public) schools, good college, some bumps along the way but on my way to the 1%. that's gonna be a rarer story with the sort of changes republicans are making.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 20 2017 23:56 GMT
#191664
playing the "how much money would it take for you to do X?"game is fairly common

i think we should consider the other game, the "how little would you have to be paid before you quit?" game

who here would stick around at their job if their pay got cut by 30% next year?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
December 20 2017 23:58 GMT
#191665
I would, but my current job is inherently a stepping stone of sorts and the pay isn't really important.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 20 2017 23:59 GMT
#191666
On December 21 2017 08:58 farvacola wrote:
I would, but my current job is inherently a stepping stone of sorts and the pay isn't really important.

I presume you're a litigator somewhere? Criminal law in all likelihood? Let's make sure that we check in with you again in 10 years. You're going to see some eye-opening shit.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 21 2017 00:01 GMT
#191667
On December 21 2017 08:56 IgnE wrote:
playing the "how much money would it take for you to do X?"game is fairly common

i think we should consider the other game, the "how little would you have to be paid before you quit?" game

who here would stick around at their job if their pay got cut by 30% next year?


We all played the how low would you work for game with HR when we got hired
Something witty
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
December 21 2017 00:10 GMT
#191668
On December 21 2017 08:59 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 08:58 farvacola wrote:
I would, but my current job is inherently a stepping stone of sorts and the pay isn't really important.

I presume you're a litigator somewhere? Criminal law in all likelihood? Let's make sure that we check in with you again in 10 years. You're going to see some eye-opening shit.

I'm a federal judicial clerk, so I'm seeing some eye-opening shit, just from an unorthodox view.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 21 2017 00:12 GMT
#191669
On December 21 2017 09:10 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 08:59 xDaunt wrote:
On December 21 2017 08:58 farvacola wrote:
I would, but my current job is inherently a stepping stone of sorts and the pay isn't really important.

I presume you're a litigator somewhere? Criminal law in all likelihood? Let's make sure that we check in with you again in 10 years. You're going to see some eye-opening shit.

I'm a federal judicial clerk, so I'm seeing some eye-opening shit, just from an unorthodox view.

Nah, that's not the same as being the attorney. Just wait.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 00:16:42
December 21 2017 00:15 GMT
#191670
Meh, I'm the son of a medical examiner who runs one of the busiest offices in the country and is an expert in child death, I'm not worried

I'd prefer the civil side of US Attorney work though, that's for sure.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 21 2017 00:16 GMT
#191671
On December 21 2017 09:15 farvacola wrote:
Meh, I'm the son of a medical examiner who runs one of the busiest offices in the country and is an expert in child death, I'm not worried

That’s not the stuff that will bother you. That part is easy.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 00:18:25
December 21 2017 00:18 GMT
#191672
I will say that much of what my girlfriend reports back from lower state courts drives me insane just hearing about it, there is no justice at the bottom lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4744 Posts
December 21 2017 00:26 GMT
#191673
The Trump administration has approved the first ever U.S. commercial sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, in a clear break from the de facto U.S. ban on arms sales that dates back to the Obama administration. The move was heavily supported by top Trump national security Cabinet officials and Congress but may complicate President Trump’s stated ambition to work with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Administration officials confirmed that the State Department this month approved a commercial license authorizing the export of Model M107A1 Sniper Systems, ammunition, and associated parts and accessories to Ukraine, a sale valued at $41.5 million. These weapons address a specific vulnerability of Ukrainian forces fighting a Russian-backed separatist movement in two eastern provinces. There has been no approval to export the heavier weapons the Ukrainian government is asking for, such as Javelin antitank missiles.

Congress authorized such sales in 2014 in the Ukraine Freedom Support Act but the Obama administration never made a decision to follow through, a move widely seen as de facto decision not to provide lethal weapons to the Ukraine military. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), who co-sponsored the law, praised the Trump administration’s move.
“I’m pleased the administration approved the sale of defensive lethal arms to Ukraine,” Corker told me. “This decision was supported by Congress in legislation that became law three years ago and reflects our country’s longstanding commitment to Ukraine in the face of ongoing Russian aggression.”

A State Department spokesperson, speaking on background, said that although the United States has now licensed the commercial export of lethal weapons to Ukraine for the first time, the U.S. government has not sold or given weapons directly to Ukraine. There’s never been any official policy on such sales one way or another, the spokesperson said, adding that this license was granted on a case-by-case basis.

Another senior Trump administration official said that Trump personally approved the decision to allow the issuing of the license after being presented a decision memo by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. While there was never a formal ban on such weapons transfers, the decision was discussed internally as a lifting of the de facto Obama administration restrictions, the official said.


Second half at WP
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 21 2017 00:59 GMT
#191674
On December 21 2017 09:01 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2017 08:56 IgnE wrote:
playing the "how much money would it take for you to do X?"game is fairly common

i think we should consider the other game, the "how little would you have to be paid before you quit?" game

who here would stick around at their job if their pay got cut by 30% next year?


We all played the how low would you work for game with HR when we got hired


oh really? then I guess you would quit if they cut your pay $500 for the year. or if they asked you to do some uncompensated overtime
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 01:03:59
December 21 2017 01:03 GMT
#191675
So my city, Memphis, is about to make the news. Possible riots as well. Statues of Jefferson Davis etc are going to come down tonight.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35141 Posts
December 21 2017 01:08 GMT
#191676
On December 21 2017 10:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So my city, Memphis, is about to make the news. Possible riots as well. Statues of Jefferson Davis etc are going to come down tonight.

https://twitter.com/MayorMemphis/status/943634620846886912

I don't know what this means.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13908 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 01:15:26
December 21 2017 01:13 GMT
#191677
Uh theres a few things going on there. So the mayor sold two public parks to private entities and all the assets inside of those parks? Was there a secret city council meeting for the purposes of selling the parks because they had the statues. Does this private entity own the statues?

I mean I'm all for taking down the statues and putting them in a museum but this seems rash even for a post Charlotte universe.

I'm glad my state didn't make the news for the art tribune to the Native Americans in Minnesota

It may have been an historically accurate recreation of the gallows used in a mass hanging of native Americans.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35141 Posts
December 21 2017 01:28 GMT
#191678
Comcast is jumping on the 1k bonuses too.

Let them eat cake, 2017.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-21 01:30:48
December 21 2017 01:30 GMT
#191679
Add to the fact that there are confederate bodies buried in one of the areas.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13908 Posts
December 21 2017 01:47 GMT
#191680
On December 21 2017 10:30 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Add to the fact that there are confederate bodies buried in one of the areas.

What in the fuck. This can't be legal right? You can't just sell away land with corpses in the ground?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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