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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
You know Trump doesn’t actually know a single thing about CNN International. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 26 2017 09:48 Doodsmack wrote: Despite (probably) knowing better, looks like House Republicans are falling in line with Trump. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/934577442152468481 well, it's not like the house reps have anything of their own to offer. all they trying to do is save their own hides however they can. horrible people. which also doesn't say a whole lot about the people who keep voting for them. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On November 26 2017 09:50 Doodsmack wrote: https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/934581889997864960 You know Trump doesn’t actually know a single thing about CNN International. I'm confused. Is Putin still telling Trump what to do or trying to undermine him? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 26 2017 10:15 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm confused. Is Putin still telling Trump what to do or trying to undermine him? why can't it be both?  also, someone made a dumb tweet, why bother analyzing it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2017 10:41 zlefin wrote: why can't it be both? also, someone made a dumb tweet, why bother analyzing it. Everything’s allowed in Trump-Russia grab bag of conspiratorial outcomes. | ||
KwarK
United States44353 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:09 Danglars wrote: Everything’s allowed in Trump-Russia grab bag of conspiratorial outcomes. Have we all forgotten that the conspiracy literally happened? Donald Jr. took the sanctions meeting with the Russians, got the info from the hacked Clinton emails, and within an hour Trump was tweeting about it. At a certain point it's like calling Al Qaeda attacking the WTC a conspiracy. It was, it was a concealed plan by a group of people to commit a crime, but it also definitely happened. The Trump Russian conspiracy happened. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 26 2017 10:15 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm confused. Is Putin still telling Trump what to do or trying to undermine him? Not sure why you keep asking this. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:09 Danglars wrote: Everything’s allowed in Trump-Russia grab bag of conspiratorial outcomes. it's not like the two different things would be in any way incompatible; it's entirely feasible to be doing both at the same time. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:23 zlefin wrote: it's not like the two different things would be in any way incompatible; it's entirely feasible to be doing both at the same time. It's especially easy and worthwhile when the man you're undermining takes your word over his own intelligence agencies. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Are you kidding me with this timing? What is the rational explanation for trumps love of Putin? President Donald Trump, in his first response to Russia's decision to expel hundreds of American diplomats from the country, said he wanted to thank Russian President Vladimir Putin because the United States is "trying to cut down our payroll." Trump, speaking with reporters during a meeting at his golf club in New Jersey, said he was "thankful" Putin decided to expel the diplomats, a decision that came in response to stepped up United States sanctions against Russia. "I want to thank him because we're trying to cut down our payroll and as far as I'm concerned," Trump said. www.cnn.com | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:22 WolfintheSheep wrote: Not sure why you keep asking this. Because it seems to switch daily from Trump being Putin's puppet to Putin trying to get Trump thrown in prison. You don't intentionally take away power from someone you want to be your puppet. There's a much more simple explanation for Trump saying/doing stupid things. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
2. Putin trying to get/doesn't care if Trump gets thrown in prison 3. Trump says/does stupid things None of these three things are mutually exclusive. It's not even a far stretch for all three to occur. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:34 NeoIllusions wrote: 1. Trump is Putin's puppet 2. Putin trying to get/doesn't care if Trump gets thrown in prison 3. Trump says/does stupid things None of these three things are mutually exclusive. It's not even a far stretch for all three to occur. Trump isn't competent enough to be anyone's puppet, Putin knew that. Putin never cared about Trump helping him, the thrust of his action is, and was always simply to sew discord by exposing. Trump says/does stupid things That's what I see. This sorta feels like spending trillions of dollars fighting an enemy who's intention was to bait us into invading them and wasting money and lives. The fix for this isn't crucifying Trump, it's realizing Trump is a manifestation of a system that was a competition to be Trump and he was just wayyyy better at it. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:53 TheTenthDoc wrote: It's especially easy and worthwhile when the man you're undermining takes your word over his own intelligence agencies. Takes his word after not asking the question, yeah. Very impressed with that. Almost like he has a reason to lie about the issue instead of dealing with it outright | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:44 GreenHorizons wrote: The fix for this isn't crucifying Trump, it's realizing Trump is a manifestation of a system that was a competition to be Trump and he was just wayyyy better at it. Why can it only be either or? Why not both? Crucify Trump, elect someone more reasonable, then start changing the rotten system that allowed Trump to be both bought out by the Russians and elected in the first place. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Trump isn't competent enough to be anyone's puppet, Putin knew that. Putin never cared about Trump helping him, the thrust of his action is, and was always simply to sew discord by exposing. Trump says/does stupid things That's what I see. This sorta feels like spending trillions of dollars fighting an enemy who's intention was to bait us into invading them and wasting money and lives. The fix for this isn't crucifying Trump, it's realizing Trump is a manifestation of a system that was a competition to be Trump and he was just wayyyy better at it. Well, it seems like we're on the same page with some differences in semantics. 1. Sounds like "puppet" would be giving Trump too much credit in your eyes. I agree by any metric of presidents in the past 2-3 decades, Trump is woefully incompetent and ignorant. But that doesn't mean Putin can't use that to his advantage. If an idiot has something you want, it's rather preferable to manipulate him into getting what you want. 2. I agree with you that Putin's end game does seems like any sort of discord in the west is a win in his book. My point is that Trump is divisive enough as an individual that Putin helping a President Trump would contribute to his goal of sowing discourse in our country. How I see it, Putin doesn't mind propping Trump up a little. Just like how he doesn't mind if Trump falls flat on his face later down the line. 3. is a given. From here, I don't get how you jump the gun into going to war or invading anyone. In any realm of possibilities, I don't see us reaching that one realistically. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:28 GreenHorizons wrote: Because it seems to switch daily from Trump being Putin's puppet to Putin trying to get Trump thrown in prison. You don't intentionally take away power from someone you want to be your puppet. There's a much more simple explanation for Trump saying/doing stupid things. Well, problem seems to be definition of puppet. Don't think many believe Trump has a private line to Putin where he's given a script. More like he's pulling the occasional string and enjoying the funny dancing man. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:51 Excludos wrote: Why can it only be either or? Why not both? Crucify Trump, elect someone more reasonable, then start changing the rotten system that allowed Trump to be both bought out by the Russians and elected in the first place. Because "If Hillary Was President We'd All Be at Brunch Right Now". I'm not arguing that Trump shouldn't have already been impeached and shamed from society (if not in prison), I'm arguing people need to indict the entire system that Trump is exploiting in ways the politicians ready to crucify him only dreamed of. They aren't ready for that. Get rid of Trump and they'll be perfectly happy to resume calling/emailing/writing their representatives begging them not to kill them or ruin their lives every month because Pence is nice and he smiles and won't even be alone with women. | ||
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