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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
This is a racist, antisemitic website he's linking btw (Check the site name) | ||
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Plansix
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 26 2017 13:50 GreenHorizons wrote: Because "If Hillary Was President We'd All Be at Brunch Right Now". I'm not arguing that Trump shouldn't have already been impeached and shamed from society (if not in prison), I'm arguing people need to indict the entire system that Trump is exploiting in ways the politicians ready to crucify him only dreamed of. They aren't ready for that. Get rid of Trump and they'll be perfectly happy to resume calling/emailing/writing their representatives begging them not to kill them or ruin their lives every month because Pence is nice and he smiles and won't even be alone with women. at the end of the day a good portion of the US (voting) population want exactly what Trump is though. No change of system will change that. Actually, I guess changing election day to a holiday or sunday would get more "normal" people to the urns so less people voting extremes but you get what I mean | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24024 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:07 Plansix wrote: Nice nice. Good to know racism is on the decline. But not the dangerous slippery slope kind. Might seem like it with the President linking to racists and praising them. Even NYT writing a sympathetic profile of a white supremacist. Better just stop talking about white supremacy so it goes away. On November 26 2017 14:12 Toadesstern wrote: at the end of the day a good portion of the US (voting) population want exactly what Trump is though. No change of system will change that. Actually, I guess changing election day to a holiday or sunday would get more "normal" people to the urns so less people voting extremes but you get what I mean You're not wrong. But when I'm talking about "the system" in this case, I'm not just referencing the political system. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:12 GreenHorizons wrote: But not the dangerous slippery slope kind. Might seem like it with the President linking to racists and praising them. Even NYT writing a sympathetic profile of a white supremacist. Better just stop talking about white supremacy so it goes away. White supremacist is actually selling it short, guy was a fucking nazi. (Literally, loved hitler and everything, advocated for genocide). | ||
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Plansix
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oBlade
United States6213 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:00 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/934563828834164739 This is a racist, antisemitic website he's linking btw (Check the site name) Are you talking about magapill.com? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:28 GreenHorizons wrote: Because it seems to switch daily from Trump being Putin's puppet to Putin trying to get Trump thrown in prison. You don't intentionally take away power from someone you want to be your puppet. There's a much more simple explanation for Trump saying/doing stupid things. Putin supporting Trump and wanting to get Trump in prison both make sense. All he actually wants is for the US to become less influenctial and powerful around the world. Defeating Clinton and then working to ultimately decrease citizen confidence/faith in government is all a part of the plan to make the US less powerful, creating a vacuum for Russia to expand and gain power/influence. Having a less secure, easier to compromise president is ideal so that he can then be exploited/manipulated/intimidated. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2017 12:34 NeoIllusions wrote: 1. Trump is Putin's puppet 2. Putin trying to get/doesn't care if Trump gets thrown in prison 3. Trump says/does stupid things None of these three things are mutually exclusive. It's not even a far stretch for all three to occur. #1-3: My constructions justify any pronouncements because I just need to shift the reasoning. If I don't like it, pick at will. If it doesn't make sense in my world, pick number three. If it has to do with foreign affairs, pick 1. It's the kind of critical thinking skills that tell you to load them all in the shotgun and blast away at the issue of the day. Story one is that Trump is puppet and Putin is puppetmaster, and story two is that Trump is hurting US-Russian relations. It all clicks! It's kind of like "Thanks, Obama" for liberals. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:00 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/934563828834164739 This is a racist, antisemitic website he's linking btw (Check the site name) What about the site name makes it racist and antisemitic? | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 26 2017 16:26 Danglars wrote: What about the site name makes it racist and antisemitic? I'll map two possibilities for you: 1) MAGA = Trump loves it no matter the content 2) it's a know nazi site? I especially like that they listed extreme vetting under homeland security and DOJ as well as "deportations up 30%" and "deportations up 31%". Another gem is "238 arrested in sweep of suspected child sex predators". Neither sexism, racism, discirmination or homophobia are mentioned on the site. But those are unimportant topics anyway. | ||
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A3th3r
United States319 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:12 Toadesstern wrote: at the end of the day a good portion of the US (voting) population want exactly what Trump is though. No change of system will change that. Actually, I guess changing election day to a holiday or sunday would get more "normal" people to the urns so less people voting extremes but you get what I mean Trump pulled in enough of the poor middle-class white people in this country to win the presidency. I guess it's no suprise that he continues to cater to the so-called "normal people" who are uneducated, work at non-fortune 500 companies, & don't drive expensive cars. Those people put him into office! | ||
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sc-darkness
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2017 18:26 Artisreal wrote: I'll map two possibilities for you: 1) MAGA = Trump loves it no matter the content 2) it's a know nazi site? I especially like that they listed extreme vetting under homeland security and DOJ as well as "deportations up 30%" and "deportations up 31%". Another gem is "238 arrested in sweep of suspected child sex predators". Neither sexism, racism, discirmination or homophobia are mentioned on the site. But those are unimportant topics anyway. Today I learned "Check the Site Name" for a "racist, antisemitic website" means MAGA is racism and antisemitism. Tell me more about how the campaign slogan of a major party's presidential candidate should be antisemitic and racist on its face. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 26 2017 14:12 Toadesstern wrote: at the end of the day a good portion of the US (voting) population want exactly what Trump is though. No change of system will change that. Actually, I guess changing election day to a holiday or sunday would get more "normal" people to the urns so less people voting extremes but you get what I mean A good portion thought Trump was "close enough" on several axes of issues. You're way off in the weeds to think they "want exactly what Trump is though." A good portion of voters (63%) thought he was temperamentally unfit to be president, but a good portion of them voted for him anyways. Ditto treatment of women. A good portion of the American public thought he absolutely alienated blacks & latinos, but he still outperformed mild-mannered Romney on both those groups. | ||
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oBlade
United States6213 Posts
On November 26 2017 18:26 Artisreal wrote: I'll map two possibilities for you: 1) MAGA = Trump loves it no matter the content 2) it's a know nazi site? I especially like that they listed extreme vetting under homeland security and DOJ as well as "deportations up 30%" and "deportations up 31%". Another gem is "238 arrested in sweep of suspected child sex predators". Neither sexism, racism, discirmination or homophobia are mentioned on the site. But those are unimportant topics anyway. Known by whom? This site is practically empty. It's a website version of a pretty common pastebin that Trump supporters circulate to rebut a simplistic "Trump hasn't done anything" SNS meme. On November 26 2017 16:26 Danglars wrote: What about the site name makes it racist and antisemitic? I am totally dumbfounded by this one. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
The second point was a question to open you to the possibility of it being run by a known Nazi. But I haven't found a particular person as there is/was currently no impresuum on the site and I'm not involved enough in this little thing to look it up. It's my first time visiting this site and it appears to be in reconstruction - as stated on it, so hard to tell what it really looks like. e: and I don't see anything racist with it either but the point I was supposing. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 26 2017 20:17 Danglars wrote: A good portion thought Trump was "close enough" on several axes of issues. You're way off in the weeds to think they "want exactly what Trump is though." A good portion of voters (63%) thought he was temperamentally unfit to be president, but a good portion of them voted for him anyways. Ditto treatment of women. A good portion of the American public thought he absolutely alienated blacks & latinos, but he still outperformed mild-mannered Romney on both those groups. I never said it's different from what you just said in the beginning yourself. That's just you imaginging something I must have thought despite it never being written out and jumping to conclusions from there... "a good portion" does not mean "all", or even "a majority [of Trump voters]". It's just stating that a sizeable amount of people really do like him and what he stands for. Unless you want to come at me for suggesting that there are indeed a bunch of people out there who want exactly what Trump stands for you're putting words in my mouth. Just check Breitbart etc and you will see that those people do exist no matter how much you just said they're unicorns. I thought that much was obvious but apparently it wasn't. Except for a couple points I'd disagree with. Like the 63% you mention that thought he was temperamentally unfit to be president. I've mentioned the voting population exactly because those people you just mentioned didn't all vote. A lot of them stayed at home because a) they don't care enough about politics b) Hillary saying she isn't Trump isn't a message that gets people out to vote You also have Trump at what... 40% approval or whatever it is nowadays and he still managed to become President. Same thing. So yeah, you maybe have 63% of people saying he's unfit but if 50% of those 63% stay at home you're down to 31.5% who didn't vote Trump (because they thought he was unfit). I'm sure it's the same on both sides. Some people begrudgingly voting Hillary/Trump because it's the lesser evil but both sides also had real supporters no matter how much you just said that isn't the case. The people who don't care all that much are just so much more likely to not show up, not vote and just shrug. Whereas the people far on the left or far on the right all show up because they treat it as a fight they have to win. | ||
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