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i personally don't support the burning down the house while people are still in it so we can rebuild it better approach.
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On November 17 2017 06:27 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 06:25 Plansix wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 04:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Fuck this bullshit plan. I do not need and cannot afford a fucking healthcare crisis. Just think of how lovely the Medicare-for-all plan that comes afterwards will be.
My guy, I’m thinking about the my marriage and the how fucking stressful that shit will be for 2-3 years it takes for congress to get their heads out of their ass. The current group of clowns fucking with the system has already been stressful on both our wallets and nerves.
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On November 17 2017 06:45 ticklishmusic wrote:
i personally don't support the burning down the house while people are still in it so we can rebuild it better approach.
Yeah, i am also not convinced of that. I especially don't see the advantage when compared to "figuring out how to make a good system (Or just steal any of the working ones from any other first world country) before completely breaking the obviously not ideal, but at least kind of partially working system that you currently have."
Is the only advantage that it puts pressure onto congress to actually do something? Or is it the sneaky emplacement of a free market healthcare system for the healthy, and then not caring to fix the system for everyone else that is the goal of this plan?
The simple fact is that the republican party has bullshit its voters for the last 6 years. They promised an amazing free market solution which produces good and cheap healthcare for even the poorest americans. That is simply not possible, and now they are stuck at having to deliver on the impossible thing that they promised was really easy to do, while not being able to do the horrific free healthcare system only for the rich that they actually want without losing all popular support afterwards.
I don't see how completely breaking the healthcare system will fix that problem for the republicans. It will only lead to horrific suffering while congress keeps on being unable to pass a healthcare law because their principles are not rooted in fact. Then they will be unable to make the healthcare law that they need to make because of corruption and idiocy, and blame someone else for that.
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On November 17 2017 06:45 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 06:43 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? And how much suffering is acceptable in the time it will take congress to fix it? Probably less than if we let this charade simply limp along to its final and unavoidable fate.
This is you feeling fatigued and frustrated by the process, not actually thinking bandaid solutions are a net negative compared to a destroyed system. What you're describing would definitely result in more human loss than by limping along. Limping along keeps people alive, even if inefficiently. Burning the whole thing down would result in a net loss of life. That isn't an ethical preference just for the sake of "finally getting this right and moving on".
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On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means?
What is the master plan that this action fits into so well?
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On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well?
Getting a health care system that works.
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On November 17 2017 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:43 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:
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This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? And how much suffering is acceptable in the time it will take congress to fix it? Probably less than if we let this charade simply limp along to its final and unavoidable fate. This is you feeling fatigued and frustrated by the process, not actually thinking bandaid solutions are a net negative compared to a destroyed system. What you're describing would definitely result in more human loss than by limping along. Limping along keeps people alive, even if inefficiently. Burning the whole thing down would result in a net loss of life. That isn't an ethical preference just for the sake of "finally getting this right and moving on".
I'm not fatigued by the process. I'm advocating for following the process and accelerating it to where it's going to be anyway.
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It'll be interesting to see how the Franken thing develops, especially since his official apology was accepted by the woman and he made the request for an inquest. It's almost tin-foil territory.
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On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works.
I am genuinely curious here. What is a health care system that works for you? As in, what do you see this government working out as a solution, given how torn they are on it?
I just don't think they'd be able to come up with anything so that leaves me thinking nothing until the next president comes into office?
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On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works.
I don't particular see why the current system collapsing will lead to getting a better replacement.
I would hope they could make a better system, but I would expect it would be the same-old shit that still needs the iterative improvements.
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On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works.
Step 1: Destroy the ACA
Step 2: ?
Step 3: A health care system that works.
Mmmmk!
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xdaunt just went bankrupt
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Lol, like what the fuck are they doing? They are completely beholden to mega wealthy conservatives funding their operations.
On November 17 2017 07:40 Velr wrote:
xdaunt just went bankrupt
Really he is cheering for other people to go bankrupt. He is a landlord now, so he obtained the super power of being upper middle class.
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On November 17 2017 07:39 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 05:39 xDaunt wrote:
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This guy is a moron. The GOP is dead in the water if they don't pass something this year. That's reason enough to vote for the thing, even with all of its imperfections. Its not passing the senate You know it destroys the healthcare system right? Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works. Step 1: Destroy the ACA Step 2: ? Step 3: A health care system that works. Mmmmk!
Do you not get that the ACA is already a dead man walking? Congress is doing to have to act to replace it at some point. I'd just prefer it be sooner rather than later.
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I believe that, as per somebody's prior note, they're going for the "best cartoon villain" award.
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On November 17 2017 07:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:43 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:
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Its not passing the senate
You know it destroys the healthcare system right?
Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? And how much suffering is acceptable in the time it will take congress to fix it? Probably less than if we let this charade simply limp along to its final and unavoidable fate. This is you feeling fatigued and frustrated by the process, not actually thinking bandaid solutions are a net negative compared to a destroyed system. What you're describing would definitely result in more human loss than by limping along. Limping along keeps people alive, even if inefficiently. Burning the whole thing down would result in a net loss of life. That isn't an ethical preference just for the sake of "finally getting this right and moving on". I'm not fatigued by the process. I'm advocating for following the process and accelerating it to where it's going to be anyway.
let's pretend that you have a kid with a pre existing condition. with the help of a pill that costs 100k a month and the help of specialists (a few thousand per visit), he is able to live a perfectly normal, symptom free life. without the drug, he constantly has seizures and is in extreme pain which opiods are completely useless in mitigating, and the only moments he's free of pain is when he passes out from his condition.
your hypothetical kid benefits a lot under the current system, as it was bandaided/ improved by the ACA. the ACA is why there are broad-ish and deep-ish risk pools that enable a funding mechanism that pays for treatments for kids like yours. are you still willing to just let it go to shit and more or less be on your own for a couple years while hoping nationalized medicine happens?
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On November 17 2017 07:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:39 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 05:51 Gorsameth wrote:
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Its not passing the senate
You know it destroys the healthcare system right?
Its basically worse then the old 'repeal and dont replace' I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works. Step 1: Destroy the ACA Step 2: ? Step 3: A health care system that works. Mmmmk! Do you not get that the ACA is already a dead man walking? Congress is doing to have to act to replace it at some point. I'd just prefer it be sooner rather than later.
They could like......fix it. Address the problems. Like update laws and adjust the parts that don't work.
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On November 17 2017 07:42 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:25 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 07:10 Mohdoo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:45 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:43 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? And how much suffering is acceptable in the time it will take congress to fix it? Probably less than if we let this charade simply limp along to its final and unavoidable fate. This is you feeling fatigued and frustrated by the process, not actually thinking bandaid solutions are a net negative compared to a destroyed system. What you're describing would definitely result in more human loss than by limping along. Limping along keeps people alive, even if inefficiently. Burning the whole thing down would result in a net loss of life. That isn't an ethical preference just for the sake of "finally getting this right and moving on". I'm not fatigued by the process. I'm advocating for following the process and accelerating it to where it's going to be anyway. let's pretend that you have a kid with a pre existing condition. with the help of a drug that costs 100k a month, he is able to live a perfectly normal, symptom free life. without the drug, he constantly has seizures and is in extreme pain which opiods are completely useless in mitigating, and the only moments he's free of pain is when he passes out from his condition. your hypothetical kid benefits a lot under the current system, as it was bandaided/ improved by the ACA. the ACA is why there are broad-ish and deep-ish risk pools that enable a funding mechanism for kids like yours. are you still willing to just let it go to shit and more or less be on your own for a couple years while hoping nationalized medicine happens?
Healthcare is a scarce commodity and should be treated as such for the entire population. By definition, the case of the individual is irrelevant. We can't provide healthcare for everyone in every circumstance. Some people will necessarily lose out in any system. All that we can decide is how to best to allocate the limited resources that are available. For all of these reasons, your appeal to the hypothetical where I have a kid with a preexisting condition is irrelevant. Rational policymakers don't give a shit about the individual case. Nor should we.
Regardless, I don't buy the presumption that Congress will fail to act before things get too bad. I bet they do, because the constituents will demand it.
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That aircraft thing is so Republican, I love it. I'm all for less taxes anyways, but that is funny.
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On November 17 2017 07:45 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2017 07:41 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 07:39 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 07:14 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 17 2017 06:32 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:29 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:23 xDaunt wrote:On November 17 2017 06:18 Gorsameth wrote:On November 17 2017 06:16 xDaunt wrote:
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I'm at the point with healthcare where I'm in favor of pushing the system into crisis so that we get real reform. Obamacare is a disaster. Are you willing to pay 10k+ monthly premiums? Because thats what your looking at when the mandate gets removed without cutting pre-existing condition support. Don't be absurd. No one would pay $10k monthly premiums. The system will collapse long before that point because people will just stop buying healthcare coverage. Let me explain it to you, You cancel your insurance while your healthly. You get sick, you get insurance, you cant be denied, you cancel once your healthy 100% of insured people will be sick. I'm not calling this worse then 'repeal and don't replace' for nothing. You don't need to explain anything to me. But apparently I need to explain to you that what you're describing is precisely what I intend to happen. What do you think "collapsing the system" means? What is the master plan that this action fits into so well? Getting a health care system that works. Step 1: Destroy the ACA Step 2: ? Step 3: A health care system that works. Mmmmk! Do you not get that the ACA is already a dead man walking? Congress is doing to have to act to replace it at some point. I'd just prefer it be sooner rather than later. They could like......fix it. Address the problems. Like update laws and adjust the parts that don't work.
There is no fixing it. It's garbage from the foundation up.
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