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On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:
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Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins.
Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this.
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On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:
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Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins.
The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes.
The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse.
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On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning.
How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it?
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On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:
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Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this.
Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left?
If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it.
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On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it?
The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not.
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Holy shit are we really arguing who is worse, communists or nazi's? Calling the person who thinks both of these groups are terrible in the wrong here, is just baffling. On the one hand, Communists killed at least 100+ million in democide, while Nazism....not as many. Take that for what you will.
(For the record, both sides are bat shit crazy authoritarians)
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On November 03 2017 18:56 Wegandi wrote:
Holy shit are we really arguing who is worse, communists or nazi's? Calling the person who thinks both of these groups are terrible in the wrong here, is just baffling. On the one hand, Communists killed at least 100+ million in democide, while Nazism....not as many. Take that for what you will.
(For the record, both sides are bat shit crazy authoritarians)
YOURE EITHER WITH ME OR AGAINST ME!
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On November 03 2017 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:
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Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes. The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse.
Often, hell is paved with good intentions. Those "good" Communists only killed about 10x amount of people that Nazi's and their hatred did. Same goes with do-gooders. The incessant holier than thou authoritarians are the worst, just pure unadultered awfulness. So, please, don't act like just because "hatred" it's worse. Personally, I'd much rather deal with those people than the former (if it was a choice to axe one or the other instead of both...e.g. a gradient of terribleness).
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On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it? The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not.
What did you mean by "running around burning universities down"? It sounds like you didn't mean "running around burning universities down"?
On November 03 2017 18:58 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:
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You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes. The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse. Often, hell is paved with good intentions. Those "good" Communists only killed about 10x amount of people that Nazi's and their hatred did. Same goes with do-gooders. The incessant holier than thou authoritarians are the worst, just pure unadultered awfulness. So, please, don't act like just because "hatred" it's worse. Personally, I'd much rather deal with those people than the former (if it was a choice to axe one or the other instead of both...e.g. a gradient of terribleness).
It's a nice feature that capitalism gets to assume everyone would die without out it so when people starve, commit suicide, die from stress/preventable illness/poverty, massive slaughters in "third world" countries to gain access to resources, etc... they don't have to take any responsibility
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On November 03 2017 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:
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Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes. The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse.
I think this is a laughably naive point of view that completely and totally removes any nuance from the historical groups associated with these doctrines. People weren't chucked in gulags out of love.
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On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:
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You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this. Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left? If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it.
My rebuttal is that in the context of american politics they're mostly correct about the right being worse than them, which makes their hypocrysy a little less "fairly astonishing". I thought my position was self-evident.
Marxism? Brrrr.
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On November 03 2017 18:58 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it? The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not. What did you mean by "running around burning universities down"? It sounds like you didn't mean "running around burning universities down"?
I meant 1000+ people rioting and setting fire to buildings and looting stores around Berkeley.
Complete with people pepper spraying each other, lovely.
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On November 03 2017 18:58 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:
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You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes. The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse. Often, hell is paved with good intentions. Those "good" Communists only killed about 10x amount of people that Nazi's and their hatred did. Same goes with do-gooders. The incessant holier than thou authoritarians are the worst, just pure unadultered awfulness. So, please, don't act like just because "hatred" it's worse. Personally, I'd much rather deal with those people than the former (if it was a choice to axe one or the other instead of both...e.g. a gradient of terribleness).
What's your actual point here? It seems like you think its better to have bad intentions, and you're angry at me for disagreeing.
Also, no-one mentioned communists or who would be worse in charge until you turned up with communists vs nazis post. We were talking about far left vs far right ideology.
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On November 03 2017 19:02 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it? The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not. What did you mean by "running around burning universities down"? It sounds like you didn't mean "running around burning universities down"? I meant 1000+ people rioting and setting fire to buildings and looting stores around Berkeley. Complete with people pepper spraying each other, lovely.
How long was the university closed after these devastating riots? How many people died? How many more universities did they "run around" to?
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On November 03 2017 19:01 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
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I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers.
Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this. Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left? If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it. My rebuttal is that they're mostly correct about the right being worse than them, which makes their hypocrysy a little less "fairly astonishing". I thought my position was self-evident. Marxism? Brrrr.
Can you give me a list of riots the right has enacted, and a list of riots the left has enacted, total up the damage in both columns (including property damage, injuries etc), and tell me that there's really a good side to this? And yes, Marxism is the right term for this.
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On November 03 2017 18:58 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it? The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not. What did you mean by "running around burning universities down"? It sounds like you didn't mean "running around burning universities down"? Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:58 Wegandi wrote:On November 03 2017 18:53 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
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I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers.
Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. The difference is in the core ideology. Of course some leftists are dumb assholes. You take any big group and see whether you don't find some dumb assholes. The far right, though, has an ideology of pure hatred. This is worse. They're free to have their opinions but it doesn't mean that they aren't completely abhorrent. The ideology of the far right is worse. Often, hell is paved with good intentions. Those "good" Communists only killed about 10x amount of people that Nazi's and their hatred did. Same goes with do-gooders. The incessant holier than thou authoritarians are the worst, just pure unadultered awfulness. So, please, don't act like just because "hatred" it's worse. Personally, I'd much rather deal with those people than the former (if it was a choice to axe one or the other instead of both...e.g. a gradient of terribleness). It's a nice feature that capitalism gets to assume everyone would die without out it so when people starve, commit suicide, die from stress/preventable illness/poverty, massive slaughters in third world countries to gain access to resources, etc... they don't have to take any responsibility
Can you please point me to an economic system that isn't free-enterprise which has a better track record (both economically and from societal freedom/liberty perspective). I'll be waiting a long time. In the meantime, you have any movie suggestions? (Oh, and by the way, those Scandinavian and European OECD countries you like to point to - are mostly capitalist, and are in the process of rolling back their welfare systems; this is a fairly easy historical point to make since we have a decent sample to choose from. Take Sweden for instance, and look before the welfare system to now. It takes a while before you crush a strong market economy with welfare and socialism. They've been at that point for a bit now and it shows.)
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On November 03 2017 19:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 19:02 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:58 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 03 2017 18:51 bo1b wrote:
There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning. How long was it burnt down? When did they rebuild it? The easier way is to just ask me what I meant by burning, apparently not. What did you mean by "running around burning universities down"? It sounds like you didn't mean "running around burning universities down"? I meant 1000+ people rioting and setting fire to buildings and looting stores around Berkeley. Complete with people pepper spraying each other, lovely. How long was the university closed after these devastating riots? How many people died?
Do you actually care, or is the plight of others only important if they align with your views?
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On November 03 2017 19:04 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 19:01 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this.
You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!"
It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this. Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left? If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it. My rebuttal is that they're mostly correct about the right being worse than them, which makes their hypocrysy a little less "fairly astonishing". I thought my position was self-evident. Marxism? Brrrr. Can you give me a list of riots the right has enacted, and a list of riots the left has enacted, total up the damage in both columns (including property damage, injuries etc), and tell me that there's really a good side to this? And yes, Marxism is the right term for this.
I would imagine the left has done more riots recently, yeah. There is really a good side to this. And no, marxism is not the right term for this. First of all because it doesn't really scare me in the way that you apparently want it to, and second because the two main categories of the left in the US are liberals and social democrats, both of whom are capitalist factions.
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On November 03 2017 19:09 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 19:04 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 19:01 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:
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This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this.
You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!"
It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this. Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left? If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it. My rebuttal is that they're mostly correct about the right being worse than them, which makes their hypocrysy a little less "fairly astonishing". I thought my position was self-evident. Marxism? Brrrr. Can you give me a list of riots the right has enacted, and a list of riots the left has enacted, total up the damage in both columns (including property damage, injuries etc), and tell me that there's really a good side to this? And yes, Marxism is the right term for this. I would imagine the left has done more riots recently, yeah. There is really a good side to this. And no, marxism is not the right term for this. First of all because it doesn't really scare me in the way that you apparently want it to, and second because the two main categories of the left in the US are liberals and social democrats, both of whom are capitalist factions.
I have doubts that the people rioting are the main make up of either liberals or social democrats.
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On November 03 2017 19:10 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 19:09 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 19:04 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 19:01 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:55 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:52 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:
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Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins. Everything is easy. It's also super easy to convince yourself that both sides are equally problematic and that you're the enlightened person in the middle who can see it. Facts is a much better medium than ease when discussing this. Sure, I guess you don't have a rebuttal to me pointing out the fairly astonishing hypocrisy of the left? If the left has done one thing to make me appreciate how clever they are, it's the way they've managed to sweep the absolute horrors of Marxism under the rug while simultaneously giving a platform to the current batch of geniuses who espouse it. My rebuttal is that they're mostly correct about the right being worse than them, which makes their hypocrysy a little less "fairly astonishing". I thought my position was self-evident. Marxism? Brrrr. Can you give me a list of riots the right has enacted, and a list of riots the left has enacted, total up the damage in both columns (including property damage, injuries etc), and tell me that there's really a good side to this? And yes, Marxism is the right term for this. I would imagine the left has done more riots recently, yeah. There is really a good side to this. And no, marxism is not the right term for this. First of all because it doesn't really scare me in the way that you apparently want it to, and second because the two main categories of the left in the US are liberals and social democrats, both of whom are capitalist factions. I have doubts that the people rioting are the main make up of either liberals or social democrats.
Your doubts are justified, they aren't.
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