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On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 04:07 Danglars wrote:
I'm hoping for the next generation to call BS on current dialogue and build a new one up. The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something?
You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism?
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On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism?
I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers.
Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
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On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:...
Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
Are you attempting to imply that the "left" is more racist than the "right"? You're going to need more than a single example (and, for that matter, source whatever statements you make) to demonstrate that point.
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On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this.
You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!"
It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion.
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I really wish this thread would discuss actual relevant stuff (like how to fix problems) or at the very least make some progress with their age old topic of discussion, but alas, we're still at he said she said and mudslinging.
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On November 03 2017 14:33 Uldridge wrote:
I really wish this thread would discuss actual relevant stuff (like how to fix problems) or at the very least make some progress with their age old topic of discussion, but alas, we're still at he said she said and mudslinging.
The fundamental solution is mass education. I don't mean traditional factory cog training, I mean comprehensive citizen education.
Teaching people to be complete citizens in a democracy includes not just reading, and writing, etc... but real problem solving, civics, real history (not memorizing names and dates), and so on.
The primary reason someone chooses one educational facility over another should be geographical convenience, not resource allocation or educational quality. Not out of moral guilt, but because educational facilities with poor children are relatively indistinguishable from facilities with wealthy children, ideally, because they are in the same schools.
Likely practically everyone in power will resist this with everything they possess so we're talking about teaching upcoming generations about how to put our democracy on a path that we (as a society) desire.
As for what to do now, basically just continue to try every possible messaging style to try to get people to realize it and start doing the work to get us there.
EDIT: Oh and try to keep the government from killing us be it policy or police
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But your view of how a society should function isn't the right or correct way. Messaging like you do is simply nothing short of propaganda for your cause. I understand what your hot topics are and I understand why you need them changed, but for some people it's just not the way to go. And that's fine.
There is a fundamental paradox in society where people that don't want to deal with each other need to deal with each other and they range from very docile to very extreme. And in a multicultural picture, there can't be complete civil peace because there'll always be enough people with loud enough mouths to complain about something.
Maybe it improves things in the long run, but I'm skeptical. I don't think we'll ever get beyond a status quo. Incremental changes as a necessity is all we'll ever get and sadly, this is not what we need. There are too many problems people are putting their heads in the sand for.
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On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes.
Is this the same nettles that was advocating a Rudd cabinet back in 2013, now decrying the modern left is racist? I'm a little shocked.
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On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion.
This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this.
You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!"
It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion.
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On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion.
Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point?
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bo1b, you don't have to look for tiny displays of racism from the right, they have white supremacist marches and a president who panders to the KKK.
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On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 05:34 Doodsmack wrote:
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The second tweet just makes an excuse for the indifference out of thin air. Whether the media frames the issue correctly doesn’t affect whether actual racism should be met with indifference. Those who meet it with indifference are making their own choice. The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems. First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point?
I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis.
In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous.
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On November 03 2017 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
bo1b, you don't have to look for tiny displays of racism from the right, they have white supremacist marches and a president who panders to the KKK.
Dunno if I'd prefer a white supremacist march or Antifa burning down buildings and looting everything in sight.
By the way, the rise of the radical left and the associated policies fucking terrifies me more then nutjobs who are guaranteed to be elected out within 4 years.
For more, see the "it's okay to be white", and the following reaction.
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On November 03 2017 17:20 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
bo1b, you don't have to look for tiny displays of racism from the right, they have white supremacist marches and a president who panders to the KKK. Dunno if I'd prefer a white supremacist march or Antifa burning down buildings and looting everything in sight. By the way, the rise of the radical left and the associated policies fucking terrifies me more then nutjobs who are guaranteed to be elected out within 4 years. For more, see the "it's okay to be white", and the following reaction.
Yeah the millennial left is dead wrong about racism. They have it down as some kind of power phenomenon, which allows them to conveniently act like racism is only racism when its white people doing it to others. Then they can be just as racist as everyone else but cushion it in a nice 'academic friendly' social theory.
That's not most people on the left, though, its just a small and very vocal group of recent humanities graduates.
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On November 03 2017 17:26 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 17:20 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
bo1b, you don't have to look for tiny displays of racism from the right, they have white supremacist marches and a president who panders to the KKK. Dunno if I'd prefer a white supremacist march or Antifa burning down buildings and looting everything in sight. By the way, the rise of the radical left and the associated policies fucking terrifies me more then nutjobs who are guaranteed to be elected out within 4 years. For more, see the "it's okay to be white", and the following reaction. Yeah the millennial left is dead wrong about racism. They have it down as some kind of power phenomenon, which allows them to conveniently act like racism is only racism when its white people doing it to others. Then they can be just as racist as everyone else but cushion it in a nice 'academic friendly' social theory. That's not most people on the left, though, its just a small and very vocal group of recent humanities graduates.
The good thing is that that's about as true as the resurgence of nazis. Just a small and very vocal group of permanent virgins dropping out of a maths class.
Both my statement and yours is a lie for what it's worth, they're signifcantly more then a small group of disenfranchised young kids.
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On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:
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The media framing of the issue plays into public perception that it's overblown and mostly made it. The linked story is exactly case in point. First step is to recover credibility, second is to use it to convince the public of real problems.
First step for you might be reading the article and responding substantively if it's bullshit framing or not. A related problem is the left's indifference to their left wing and radical fringe of the left wing misrepresenting arguments for profit. Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous.
This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal.
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Some serious nonsense coming out now, but I don't have the patience to go through it for the umpteenth time. Particularly such old versions of these tired arguments.
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On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 11:35 Doodsmack wrote:
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Nowhere in this post did you address whether indifference to actual racism, the explicit subject of the second tweet, is justified. Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal.
Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins.
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On November 03 2017 18:48 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 18:39 Nebuchad wrote:On November 03 2017 17:18 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 17:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 03 2017 17:06 bo1b wrote:On November 03 2017 14:04 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 03 2017 13:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 03 2017 13:20 Danglars wrote:On November 03 2017 12:30 Doodsmack wrote:On November 03 2017 11:56 Danglars wrote:
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Nowhere in your response do you admit public perception is influenced by bullshit framing. Respond substantively and say your piece. Yes, the public is forced by the media to respond to actual racism with indifference. Is that because the public is too stupid to discern actual racism or something? You're getting closer than your first take. Now, when you see news stories alleging that black athletes are hurting pizza sales by demanding civil rights, and you read exactly what they're basing this off of, does that help or hurt American apprehension of real racism? I guess those priviliged athletes can kneel if they want.On the flipside people can also turn the tv off.Ratings down 18% in 2 years, not surprised papa johns pulled their ad campaign with those sort of numbers. Also the racism now is coming from the left.Anyone hear about the concert in Canada recently where the musician on stage called on white people to go to the back and women of colour to come to the front.Basically if you are in an interracial relationship she split you up.The modern left is racist and is now fighting internally due to identity politics.It is destroying itself before our eyes. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Danglars, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the left doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("the left is collapsing", "the left is racist"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the right does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Danglars, xDaunt, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism and blatant racism that is running through the right, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE LEFT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. This shit is so insultingly disingenuous that it amazes me that you, Plansix, and others in this thread can operate with a worldview like this. You desperately cling to the tiniest examples of people on the right doing something wrong and call it the apocalypse ("incredibly strong resurgence of white nationalism", "blatant racism that is running through the right"), while simultaneously trivializing anything and everything the left does wrong, including regular blatant displays of both overt and institutionalized racism and sexism. I never see you, Plansix, Greenhorizons, etc. unequivocally condemning the incredibly strong resurgence of segregation and the blatant sexism that is running through the left, yet any tiny display of something that could possibly be displayed as racist, sexist, or otherwise just stupid from the left sends you guys into a foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy of "AH HAH! SEE! THE RIGHT IS TUUUUUURRRRIBBBBLLLEEE!" It's simply pathetic and it destroys any kind of credibility that you have in an intellectual discussion. Just to check, is this something you actually believe, or are you just making a sarcastic point? I believe the truth is somewhat in the middle, and that I'm not losing sleep over berkeley riots any more then I am over morons thinking they should be nazis. In other words I wrote exactly what I believe, and I think hysteria isn't a good look when anything on either side of the middle starts to look ridiculous. This apparently wise outlook starts to become criticizable when one of the side is actually deserving of a ridiculous portrayal. Would that be the side running around burning universities down? Very easy to pretend one side is dramatically worse if you ignore all of your own sides sins.
Which universities were burned down?
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There's a relatively famous university on the west coast of America called Berkeley.
For the absolute pedant in you waiting to get out, I think you know exactly what I meant by burning.
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