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On November 03 2017 10:22 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 09:58 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2017 09:53 Wulfey_LA wrote:On November 03 2017 09:49 Plansix wrote:
I do like how people have become to committed to winning argument with GH they won't take one of Clintons biggest supporters word for it. You can just admit you got played. Its happens to the best of us. (1) DNC staffers biased against Bernie (2) Elizabeth warren's word is good enough for me! Citable facts showing process manipulation are not necessary. (3) Rigged! Not going to try to make the argument with some citations? Just going with Warren? Nothing? I'm sorry, am I supposed to find you documents showing election fraud? Because that isn't the topic. We are talking about the DNC denying Bernie sanders resources during the primary. The DNC is not supposed to do that. Now we are getting somewhere. What resources did DNC deny BS during the primary? Remember that Donna Brazile said that the entirety of the corruption came from the joint fundraising agreement / Hillary Victory Fund. If you want to show the critical rigging operations you should start there.
Im good. You can win this one and take a victory lap.
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On November 03 2017 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Parties can pick their candidates and I don't care how they do it. But they best not lie about the process if they claim its open and done through primary voting.
Edit: Ben Sharpio is the Nickleback of conservatives. I would rather pull my own teeth out than listen to him.
Edit 2: how does Obama bankrupt the DNC when he is so busy running the entire fucking executive branch?!?! That isn't how this shit works.
Was it in that politico piece or elsewhere where it was explained that one reason Biden didn't run is because Obama couldn't back him, given the debt that Hillary was paying off for the DNC? I love it when you come out with these rapid fire, hilarious takes. Most media I've read lays plenty of blame on Obama for the state of the Democratic party, DNC included.
And David Brooks again, lol. Amazing post.
Edit: Found the particular column I was looking for. it's a conjecture, but an interesting one.
http://nypost.com/2017/11/02/did-hillarys-rigging-at-the-dnc-push-biden-out-of-the-race/
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Hillary goes on the record saying she knew about the dossier. It honestly should’ve been her story from the start, but I suspect she didn’t want to be involved at all in Russia’s influencing of the election—even if there’s nothing illegal about oppo.
I had the link to the full interview where she owns it, but I’m on my phone and I’ve lost it.
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Sessions hates Page.
Edit: sorry Introvert, I want never going to make the cut and listen to the good conservatives. I'm lefty trash.
Edit 2: being president is three full time jobs. The DNC needs to blame the people in charge of it, not the commander and chief.
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On November 03 2017 10:38 Introvert wrote:...Most media I've read lays plenty of blame on Obama for the state of the Democratic party, DNC included.
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Sources? As phrases go, "Most media I've read" sounds like it might include some bias.
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On November 03 2017 10:39 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/politicalshort/status/926208679854063617Hillary goes on the record saying she knew about the dossier. It honestly should’ve been her story from the start, but I suspect she didn’t want to be involved at all in Russia’s influencing of the election—even if there’s nothing illegal about oppo. I had the link to the full interview where she owns it, but I’m on my phone and I’ve lost it.
Honestly if she responded to this Donna Brazile stuff with "Fuck yeah I rigged it and I got that ungrateful bitch her job in charge of it"
I'd be more forgiving than if she continues to let her minions look foolish defending her.
EDIT: There's certainly enough blame to go around for Obama to have some but shifting the blame to him when it was her cronies that were running it and losing 1000+ seats, often by running AWAY from Obama, is silly.
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On November 03 2017 10:41 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 10:38 Introvert wrote:...Most media I've read lays plenty of blame on Obama for the state of the Democratic party, DNC included.
... Sources? As phrases go, "Most media I've read" sounds like it might include some bias.
I can find more later but quick googling found this as relevant. Whenever we hear about "Obama might be coming back!!!" these stories seem to appear.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obamas-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit
edit: and Obama and Democrat organizations have also been criticized many times for focusing too heavily on national races instead of local ones. These aren't new, which I why I find defense of Obama when it comes to the state of the party odd. Although of course not many public sphere Democrats use such harsh terms.
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On November 03 2017 10:39 Danglars wrote:https://twitter.com/politicalshort/status/926208679854063617Hillary goes on the record saying she knew about the dossier. It honestly should’ve been her story from the start, but I suspect she didn’t want to be involved at all in Russia’s influencing of the election—even if there’s nothing illegal about oppo. I had the link to the full interview where she owns it, but I’m on my phone and I’ve lost it.
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Of course she paid for it. That was never in contention at all.
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On November 03 2017 10:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 03 2017 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Parties can pick their candidates and I don't care how they do it. But they best not lie about the process if they claim its open and done through primary voting.
Edit: Ben Sharpio is the Nickleback of conservatives. I would rather pull my own teeth out than listen to him.
Edit 2: how does Obama bankrupt the DNC when he is so busy running the entire fucking executive branch?!?! That isn't how this shit works. What conservatives do you enjoy listening to? For that analogy to really hold it should be a pretty extensive list. :p David Brooks is fine from time to time. He understand how government works, unlike Ben here. I don't want to die when listening to Ted Cruz debate, which is something. Sass isn't bad. But most political entertainment conservatives are hot garbage.
Ben doesn't understand how government works exactly how? Because he says it's bad at doing most things?
The story is that the DNC run into hard times financially supporting Obama, all the while losing thousand state seats and 12 senate seats, and kept running overstaffed while 22 million on debt since 2012 and was broke.
Then Hillary did all the fundraising and kept the DNC functioning by paying its operating expenses, in exchange for total control of DNC, and then borderline laundering money using most of the DNC money to promote her campaign and screw bernie bros (instead of sending to state DNC operators)
I can't recognize the name sources, apparently they are the current and former DNC heads?
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The best hot take I saw on twitter was someone whining that Brazile may have just given VA governorship to the GOP.
I actually don't think many people are correlating state level democrats to the DNC, especially given that the revelation apparently was that the dnc wasn't doing their fair share of it
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That makes it perjury, no?
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On November 03 2017 10:47 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 10:28 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2017 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 03 2017 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Parties can pick their candidates and I don't care how they do it. But they best not lie about the process if they claim its open and done through primary voting.
Edit: Ben Sharpio is the Nickleback of conservatives. I would rather pull my own teeth out than listen to him.
Edit 2: how does Obama bankrupt the DNC when he is so busy running the entire fucking executive branch?!?! That isn't how this shit works. What conservatives do you enjoy listening to? For that analogy to really hold it should be a pretty extensive list. :p David Brooks is fine from time to time. He understand how government works, unlike Ben here. I don't want to die when listening to Ted Cruz debate, which is something. Sass isn't bad. But most political entertainment conservatives are hot garbage. Ben doesn't understand how government works exactly how? Because he says it's bad at doing most things? The story is that the DNC run into hard times financially supporting Obama, all the while losing thousand state seats and 12 senate seats, and kept running overstaffed while 22 million on debt since 2012 and was broke. Then Hillary did all the fundraising and kept the DNC functioning by paying its operating expenses, in exchange for total control of DNC, and then borderline laundering money using most of the DNC money to promote her campaign and screw bernie bros (instead of sending to state DNC operators) I can't recognize the name sources, apparently they are the current and former DNC heads?
Your facts are wrong. Like all campaigns, Obamas had a debt that needed to be paid off. Debbie kept way to many people on payroll and didn't find raise to deal with the debt the RNC did. The DNC was still in debt in 2015. Obama had no control over any of that, since he was busy being president.
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Sooo Carter Page is either the dumbest person in politics or is being used to wage a PR battle by the FBI.
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Personally I only really have one issue with Ben Shapiro. That is, he's eloquent, talks about lots of different issues, is ideologically consistent, and this leads to conservatives on various forums posting videos of his youtubes rather than phrasing their own argument. I mean, I obviously disagree with him on most issues, but I find him a good and civil debater. However, it's not possible for me to discuss with a youtube video, and I often don't have the option or willingness to watch a video anyway. So it never results in a good discussion, and people end up talking about Ben Shapiro instead of talking about the issue that Ben Shapiro talked about which conservative X felt Ben Shapiro phrased better than they themselves were able to.
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On November 03 2017 10:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 10:47 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 03 2017 10:28 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2017 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 03 2017 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Parties can pick their candidates and I don't care how they do it. But they best not lie about the process if they claim its open and done through primary voting.
Edit: Ben Sharpio is the Nickleback of conservatives. I would rather pull my own teeth out than listen to him.
Edit 2: how does Obama bankrupt the DNC when he is so busy running the entire fucking executive branch?!?! That isn't how this shit works. What conservatives do you enjoy listening to? For that analogy to really hold it should be a pretty extensive list. :p David Brooks is fine from time to time. He understand how government works, unlike Ben here. I don't want to die when listening to Ted Cruz debate, which is something. Sass isn't bad. But most political entertainment conservatives are hot garbage. Ben doesn't understand how government works exactly how? Because he says it's bad at doing most things? The story is that the DNC run into hard times financially supporting Obama, all the while losing thousand state seats and 12 senate seats, and kept running overstaffed while 22 million on debt since 2012 and was broke. Then Hillary did all the fundraising and kept the DNC functioning by paying its operating expenses, in exchange for total control of DNC, and then borderline laundering money using most of the DNC money to promote her campaign and screw bernie bros (instead of sending to state DNC operators) I can't recognize the name sources, apparently they are the current and former DNC heads? Your facts are wrong. Like all campaigns, Obamas had a debt that needed to be paid off. Debbie kept way to many people on payroll and didn't find raise to deal with the debt the RNC did. The DNC was still in debt in 2015. Obama had no control over any of that, since he was busy being president.
Well the facts are the same, DNC was in massive debt and lost a shitload of seats, you are just taking the responsability away from Obama.
And omitting the part how Hillary fundraising covered the hole in exchange for power.
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On November 03 2017 10:58 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 10:54 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2017 10:47 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 03 2017 10:28 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2017 10:21 Liquid`Drone wrote:On November 03 2017 10:12 Plansix wrote:
Parties can pick their candidates and I don't care how they do it. But they best not lie about the process if they claim its open and done through primary voting.
Edit: Ben Sharpio is the Nickleback of conservatives. I would rather pull my own teeth out than listen to him.
Edit 2: how does Obama bankrupt the DNC when he is so busy running the entire fucking executive branch?!?! That isn't how this shit works. What conservatives do you enjoy listening to? For that analogy to really hold it should be a pretty extensive list. :p David Brooks is fine from time to time. He understand how government works, unlike Ben here. I don't want to die when listening to Ted Cruz debate, which is something. Sass isn't bad. But most political entertainment conservatives are hot garbage. Ben doesn't understand how government works exactly how? Because he says it's bad at doing most things? The story is that the DNC run into hard times financially supporting Obama, all the while losing thousand state seats and 12 senate seats, and kept running overstaffed while 22 million on debt since 2012 and was broke. Then Hillary did all the fundraising and kept the DNC functioning by paying its operating expenses, in exchange for total control of DNC, and then borderline laundering money using most of the DNC money to promote her campaign and screw bernie bros (instead of sending to state DNC operators) I can't recognize the name sources, apparently they are the current and former DNC heads? Your facts are wrong. Like all campaigns, Obamas had a debt that needed to be paid off. Debbie kept way to many people on payroll and didn't find raise to deal with the debt the RNC did. The DNC was still in debt in 2015. Obama had no control over any of that, since he was busy being president. Well the facts are the same, DNC was in massive debt and lost a shitload of seats, you are just taking the responsability away from Obama. And omitting the part how Hillary fundraising covered the hole in exchange for power.
What? I didn't skip over anything involving Hiliary.
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On November 03 2017 10:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Personally I only really have one issue with Ben Shapiro. That is, he's eloquent, talks about lots of different issues, is ideologically consistent, and this leads to conservatives on various forums posting videos of his youtubes rather than phrasing their own argument. I mean, I obviously disagree with him on most issues, but I find him a good and civil debater. However, it's not possible for me to discuss with a youtube video, and I often don't have the option or willingness to watch a video anyway. So it never results in a good discussion, and people end up talking about Ben Shapiro instead of talking about the issue that Ben Shapiro talked about which conservative X felt Ben Shapiro phrased better than they themselves were able to.
It's the problem with dealing with the day by day video hot take medium known as YouTube. If he did more writings and essays, there would be more to discuss.
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He writes a lot at Daily Wire (though we know what P6 thinks of that) and has regular stuff at National Review (which I think is also on P6's sh*tlist).
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Sorry man, I got standards. The WSJ gets me what I need through their editorials and I don't have to deal with any racist cartoons or terrible hot takes.
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