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On October 14 2017 23:06 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
You know, I've always been concerned with Richard Spencer's plan of ethnostates. As someone who is biracial, would we live on the border of two different ones? Did those idiots ever discuss that, or did they not even bother to give their argument substance because they were too focused on how much they dislike having to live with minorities?
I feel like the latter is more likely, considering the other garbage those people spew.
Maybe you get to live on the bad side of town in the ethnostate of the good race? Or vice versa?
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On October 14 2017 23:18 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 23:13 Gahlo wrote:On October 14 2017 23:06 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
You know, I've always been concerned with Richard Spencer's plan of ethnostates. As someone who is biracial, would we live on the border of two different ones? Did those idiots ever discuss that, or did they not even bother to give their argument substance because they were too focused on how much they dislike having to live with minorities?
I feel like the latter is more likely, considering the other garbage those people spew. That depends, what races? "One drop rule" and all that other bullshit. English and Japanese, so I'm like one of the most tolerable minorities to the right
Yeah you'd probably be fine. "Honorary Aryan" and all that.
Interesting thought though.
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On October 14 2017 23:18 Howie_Dewitt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 23:13 Gahlo wrote:On October 14 2017 23:06 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
You know, I've always been concerned with Richard Spencer's plan of ethnostates. As someone who is biracial, would we live on the border of two different ones? Did those idiots ever discuss that, or did they not even bother to give their argument substance because they were too focused on how much they dislike having to live with minorities?
I feel like the latter is more likely, considering the other garbage those people spew. That depends, what races? "One drop rule" and all that other bullshit. English and Japanese, so I'm like one of the most tolerable minorities to the right
They'd probably let you in while sorting out the darker shades, then force you out later if you can't pass for white.
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And what would interracial couples do
Man, they really didn't think their racist idea through lmao
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On October 14 2017 23:18 LegalLord wrote:
This conversation is a mix of hilarious and sad.
"You don't know a thing about Mississippi."
"I lived there before."
"Well then you haven't seen the real Mississippi" and/or "Yeah but you aren't an expert in Mississipiology!"
Fucking hell.
I'm sorry, living anyplace for a year doesn't give anyone a fully understand of its 200 years of history. I'm not gunna live in France for one year and then say "I have a full understanding of the cultural dynamics of that country," Mississippi was the last hold out of the KKK, where someone of the most violent acts took place in the south. Almost all the photos of burning crosses are from Mississippi. Also, people in the south have become masters as hiding their racism behind polite language. It is the place where "bless your heart" means "Fuck off you piece of shit."
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We jest, but we had Nazi's kill an innocent woman at a protest, another shoot at someone, and a President that called them "very fine people" and then called people protesting systemic racism "son's of bitches" and told their bosses to fire them if they didn't worship the flag (the US one not the enemy [Nazi/Confederate] flags flown by the "fine people")
Then we have folks like Danglars and xDaunt who advocate various aspects of white supremacy with the cover of intellectual engagement
And towns/cities (run by both parties) scattered all around the country where segregation never ended, slavery is alive and well, and police have been found to habitually violate PoC's constitutional rights.
People wonder how you get from a "normal society" to fighting off an ethnostate, take a look around, it looks a lot like this.
EDIT: Can't forget the folks that range from laughing at the idea to those that just don't see how it would ever be their problem so can't be bothered.
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On October 14 2017 23:27 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
And what would interracial couples do
Man, they really didn't think their racist idea through lmao
Quite the common theme with racist ideas like this.
Perhaps the borders wouldn't be exact but it would be more fluid in transitions, the more "pure" the closer to the center of a state?
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On October 14 2017 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 23:08 Ghostcom wrote:On October 14 2017 23:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 14 2017 23:02 Ghostcom wrote:On October 14 2017 23:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 14 2017 22:57 Mohdoo wrote:
GH, it is likely that Ghostcom doesn't realize Mississippi actually is really, really distinct. Even me being someone pretty involved and interested in this stuff as an American, I only recently learned about ways Mississippi still actively pushes for segregation in really dystopian ways. I was blown away there was nothing the federal government did about it. It is very likely that Ghostcom is under the impression Mississippi is just really conservative. But it goes further than I think most people would even think is legal and he would likely be very surprised if you were to show some of this stuff. I forget which high school still has segregated school dances. I mean I opened with "I'm sorry, but that's something only someone who didn't know about Mississippi would say" which is still 100% accurate. I'm sure I'd matter of factly say something equally uninformed if I tried to opine about something comparable in Denmark. People need to not get so offended when people point out they don't know what they are talking about when it should be obvious why. I lived in Mississippi for 1 year. Fuck off. You don't know shit about me and your usual BS is incredibly tiring. You can call this "fragility" or you can face the fact that you are never arguing honest, you are strawmanning and insulting. Well then I guess you have less of an excuse to say something so obviously ridiculous. Students tried to hold an integrated prom and got fucking death threats and you think they are going to have a conversation about the historical (like earlier that day) usage of "nigger"? It's offensively uninformed when paired with the "I really cant sympathize". This feels more generally snowflakey than white fragility but I suppose it fits. Nice talking to you as always. This post originally noted the segregated proms and called it a shit show, to which your original statement was "I can't sympathize" with a teacher who doesn't want to try to take some obnoxious teenagers (who've been raised racist as shit in a state that will fight the feds to protect their racism) into a nuanced conversation on the word "nigger" You can't be smart about everything all the time, sometimes you're going to say something foolish and it's fine to just laugh at yourself.
Yup, I edited it out because I didn't want to fully make the argument, because you would strawman it and set up an insult - like you've done here.
Of all people it's hilarious that you are the one harping on me for arguing against sticking the head in the sand and ignoring the issue of racism. Curiously, Liquid'Drones second post on the topic made him and me find common ground on the sympathize-topic:
On October 14 2017 22:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I can sympathize in the same sense I sympathize with parents who are uncomfortable with sexual education. Lack of comfort isn't a valid excuse to not do it (a less comfortable learning setting might well lead to a more meaningful learning experience), but I still understand why many want an easier way out.
These last 2 pages neatly sum up why "arguing" with you is a waste of time. Luckily I have to work, so I won't have time to read your next attempt at a strawman and insult, but I'm sure it's going to be great for everyone else, so please give it your best. I'm out.
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whoops backseat moderating. i don’t know why i thought that was acceptable. for my 8000th post no less. RIP
can i get my archon back? 
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On October 14 2017 23:36 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 23:27 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
And what would interracial couples do
Man, they really didn't think their racist idea through lmao Quite the common theme with racist ideas like this. Perhaps the borders wouldn't be exact but it would be more fluid in transitions, the more "pure" the closer to the center of a state?
Dear Mr. Scott,
a current reevaluation of your skin color has resulted in reducing your whiteness score from 65% to 52%. As a consequence of this, we request you and your family to move 520 miles eastwards.
Furthermore, we classified your daughter, who had become 16 last year, as 59% white. Thus she would get the permit to settle 240 miles eastward from your current location, in case she decides to live alone.
Best Regards,
A. White
Office for Fair and Appropriate Ethnic Interactions
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On October 14 2017 23:27 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
And what would interracial couples do
Man, they really didn't think their racist idea through lmao
Either:
A: Force them apart
B: Extrajudicial violence against one or both of them
C: White race traitors lose the privilege of living with the other whites
It's not that neo-Nazis didn't think of this stuff, they just don't mind really crude or violent solutions to it. Remember they hate miscegenation and they don't mind violence, so if you're mixed and they really can't figure out where to put you there's a good chance they just kill you.
In general, any time someone advocates for mass forced migration, a huge portion of the people being moved are generally just gonna die/be killed rather than make the move. And whoever is advocating for it probably knows that, they just don't care. In a good number of cases, "forced migration" is just code for genocide.
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The man is taking credit for damaging American businesses.
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On October 14 2017 23:45 Ghostcom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 23:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 14 2017 23:08 Ghostcom wrote:On October 14 2017 23:06 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 14 2017 23:02 Ghostcom wrote:On October 14 2017 23:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 14 2017 22:57 Mohdoo wrote:
GH, it is likely that Ghostcom doesn't realize Mississippi actually is really, really distinct. Even me being someone pretty involved and interested in this stuff as an American, I only recently learned about ways Mississippi still actively pushes for segregation in really dystopian ways. I was blown away there was nothing the federal government did about it. It is very likely that Ghostcom is under the impression Mississippi is just really conservative. But it goes further than I think most people would even think is legal and he would likely be very surprised if you were to show some of this stuff. I forget which high school still has segregated school dances. I mean I opened with "I'm sorry, but that's something only someone who didn't know about Mississippi would say" which is still 100% accurate. I'm sure I'd matter of factly say something equally uninformed if I tried to opine about something comparable in Denmark. People need to not get so offended when people point out they don't know what they are talking about when it should be obvious why. I lived in Mississippi for 1 year. Fuck off. You don't know shit about me and your usual BS is incredibly tiring. You can call this "fragility" or you can face the fact that you are never arguing honest, you are strawmanning and insulting. Well then I guess you have less of an excuse to say something so obviously ridiculous. Students tried to hold an integrated prom and got fucking death threats and you think they are going to have a conversation about the historical (like earlier that day) usage of "nigger"? It's offensively uninformed when paired with the "I really cant sympathize". This feels more generally snowflakey than white fragility but I suppose it fits. Nice talking to you as always. This post originally noted the segregated proms and called it a shit show, to which your original statement was "I can't sympathize" with a teacher who doesn't want to try to take some obnoxious teenagers (who've been raised racist as shit in a state that will fight the feds to protect their racism) into a nuanced conversation on the word "nigger" You can't be smart about everything all the time, sometimes you're going to say something foolish and it's fine to just laugh at yourself. Yup, I edited it out because I didn't want to fully make the argument, because you would strawman it and set up an insult - like you've done here. Of all people it's hilarious that you are the one harping on me for arguing against sticking the head in the sand and ignoring the issue of racism. Curiously, Liquid'Drones second post on the topic made him and me find common ground on the sympathize-topic: Show nested quote +On October 14 2017 22:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I can sympathize in the same sense I sympathize with parents who are uncomfortable with sexual education. Lack of comfort isn't a valid excuse to not do it (a less comfortable learning setting might well lead to a more meaningful learning experience), but I still understand why many want an easier way out. These last 2 pages neatly sum up why "arguing" with you is a waste of time. Luckily I have to work, so I won't have time to read your next attempt at a strawman and insult, but I'm sure it's going to be great for everyone else, so please give it your best. I'm out.
Black people aren't full humans in the eyes of the majority of Mississippi. I'm not saying they should stick their heads in the sand, I'm saying one should be able to sympathize (even if they can't empathize) with a teacher stuck in that situation. I'm not saying that taking the book out was the right choice either, but I was pointing out just expecting a teacher to have that conversation reeks of ignorance of pretty much every aspect of Mississippi, from students, to teachers, to administrators, to parents, to local and state politicians, to having the god damn confederate flag on their state flag.
If it was Seattle or something I'd probably be more willing to chastise the teachers, but in a place like Mississippi, I can cut them some slack.
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can someone please eli5 ethnostates? if it is the way it sounds, its a fucking horrible idea
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On October 15 2017 00:30 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
can someone please eli5 ethnostates? if it is the way it sounds, its a fucking horrible idea
You can't explain it at such an advanced level.
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Falwell Jr made this observation on Hannity recently
“I spoke to the President last week and I told him he needs to coin a new term: Fake Republicans. Because that’s what those people you just named are. They’re not really Republicans. We don’t really have a majority in the Senate, and I think that would be a good term for him to start using.”
www.mediaite.com
Honestly, I don't even think he's totally wrong. Susan Collins and Murkowski aren't really republicans anymore, they may as well switch parties. Of course he was referring to Mcconnell and Ryan....
Also, Twitter has apparently decided to update its rules :
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Or maybe the president is a fake republican because hes just a reactionary idiot. Hes literaly the useful idioits the real republicans have been trying to use to get power and then ignore beacuse they're at the end of the day a bunch of idiots.
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On October 15 2017 00:41 Sermokala wrote:
Or maybe the president is a fake republican because hes just a reactionary idiot. Hes literaly the useful idioits the real republicans have been trying to use to get power and then ignore beacuse they're at the end of the day a bunch of idiots.
Planned Parenthood, Obamacare, immigration...Iran deal. These are all things Republicans have been foaming at the mouth over. He's definitely going by the Republicans mantra.
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Trump is a big fan of conservative radio and decided to make a presidency out of it.
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On October 15 2017 00:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:41 Sermokala wrote:
Or maybe the president is a fake republican because hes just a reactionary idiot. Hes literaly the useful idioits the real republicans have been trying to use to get power and then ignore beacuse they're at the end of the day a bunch of idiots. Planned Parenthood, Obamacare, immigration...Iran deal. These are all things Republicans have been foaming at the mouth over. He's definitely going by the Republicans mantra.
They've been hyping it as the obvious opposition things to be the opposite on. To think they would have supported it otherwise is just silly. Conservatives and republicans would have had things that they would have gotten done with their power and good or bad would have actually done them. Trump doesn't care enough to think through how he wants to get to something better he just wants things to get to where they were yesterday.
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