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On October 15 2017 00:30 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
can someone please eli5 ethnostates? if it is the way it sounds, its a fucking horrible idea
A state (government) for a single ethnicity.. e.g. Japan for the Japanese..
It falls apart on may levels if you bother to think about it. USA for.. Native Americans White People.. as-if, there's some solid definition of White or even if there was it would clearly be superior to keep all the whites together.
Noah had a pretty good take not too long ago.
http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/09/an-american-whitopia-would-be-dystopia.html
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On October 15 2017 06:24 Nevuk wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/76e79c/i_am_elon_musk_ask_me_anything_about_bfr/Elon Musk is doing an AMA edit : It's all about his mars stuff though Also weinstein has been stripped of his guild membership, and the statement is pathetic Show nested quote +Following the meeting, the Academy issued a statement saying the board had voted “to immediately expel him from the Academy. We do so not simply to separate ourselves from someone who does not merit the respect of his colleagues but also to send a message that the era of willful ignorance and shameful complicity in sexually predatory behavior and workplace harrasment in our industry is over.”
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Do you call it pathetic because they drop him like hot iron, now that his demeanor is in the public eye?
Because they were complicit in ignoring it? As they say themselves.
Or because other offenders might still be part of the organizations.
Or all of the above?
Apart from that it sounds like a fine statement. Much determined by how they continue to sanction like behaviour. From the past and future.
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On October 15 2017 06:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:He basically said he didn't read it, doesn't know what the Iran deal really does, and is leaving it up to others to see if it satisfies him.
Well he made it quite clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was not really interested in getting to know or understand any of the issues under his responsibility. And his supporters are themselves irresponsible enough to see no problem to it, or stupid enough to think that this vague bullshit means anything else than "I have no idea what you are even talking about and frankly, I don't care".
This gets more and more pathetic by the day. I have the firm belief that the future generations will one day look at the fable and struggle to understand who ever casted a ballot to have a man like that sit in Washington and Jefferson's chair.
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On October 15 2017 07:39 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 06:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:He basically said he didn't read it, doesn't know what the Iran deal really does, and is leaving it up to others to see if it satisfies him. Well he made it quite clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was not really interested in getting to know or understand any of the issues under his responsibility. And his supporters are themselves irresponsible enough to see no problem to it, or stupid enough to think that this vague bullshit means anything else than "I have no idea what you are even talking about and frankly, I don't care". This gets more and more pathetic by the day. I have the firm belief that the future generations will one day look at the fable and struggle to understand who ever casted a ballot to have a man like that sit in Washington and Jefferson's chair.
I firmly believe that there will be an alternate history book section after this...experiment is over. Like, we'll make something up to fill in for the time he's occupying space. Or we'll simply gloss over it like nothing happened. Kind of like the history a lot of the right believes in already.
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Really great statement. I hope it's true and that this shit ends.
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On October 15 2017 07:05 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:30 Keyboard Warrior wrote:
can someone please eli5 ethnostates? if it is the way it sounds, its a fucking horrible idea A state (government) for a single ethnicity.. e.g. Japan for the Japanese.. It falls apart on may levels if you bother to think about it. USA for.. Native Americans White People.. as-if, there's some solid definition of White or even if there was it would clearly be superior to keep all the whites together. Noah had a pretty good take not too long ago. http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/09/an-american-whitopia-would-be-dystopia.html
Cool blog! Nice to see you again. 
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what's odd about it? looks routine to me.
flynt's done stuff like that before, several times iirc.
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On October 15 2017 04:40 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 03:03 GoTuNk! wrote:On October 14 2017 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:
We jest, but we had Nazi's kill an innocent woman at a protest, another shoot at someone, and a President that called them "very fine people" and then called people protesting systemic racism "son's of bitches" and told their bosses to fire them if they didn't worship the flag (the US one not the enemy [Nazi/Confederate] flags flown by the "fine people")
Then we have folks like Danglars and xDaunt who advocate various aspects of white supremacy with the cover of intellectual engagement
And towns/cities (run by both parties) scattered all around the country where segregation never ended, slavery is alive and well, and police have been found to habitually violate PoC's constitutional rights.
People wonder how you get from a "normal society" to fighting off an ethnostate, take a look around, it looks a lot like this.
EDIT: Can't forget the folks that range from laughing at the idea to those that just don't see how it would ever be their problem so can't be bothered. Yes, everyone who doesn't agree with me or is a conservative is a white supremacist. Your argumentation is pretty sound. Funny how some people on this forum can get away with insulting people without any moderation. “Your intellectual engagement is only a cover for advocating various aspects of white supremacy” is the toxic issue of race relations and representative of a major political driving force. We should probably have a new website feedback discussion on it because it openly defames posters with a very poorly qualified slur despite its prominence. It kind of begs a response ala GH tolerates black victimization in society so long as whites are more openly maligned and defamed as a race in society. (To wit, one person gets away calling the other advocating WS, then a right winger thinks it’s fine to fire back with something more foul)
Several things.
1. That's not what I said.
2. I didn't say anything untrue so I'm not defaming anyone.
3. As has been noted, white supremacy isn't intended to be an insult, merely a descriptor of what is often advocated for in your posts.
4. Right wingers are wrong about a lot, particularly when it comes to reasonable responses to being made aware of the overlap between white supremacy and what they advocate for.
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Danglars and GreenHorizons you 2 are at it again?
The great Morgan Freeman once said when asked on 60 minutes about how we get rid of racism:
"Stop talkin about it. I'm gonna stop callin' you a white man and I'm gonna ask you to stop callin' me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace and you know me as Morgan Freeman."
I'm not askin you to stop....
But simply to consider the words of a man, who has lived through an entire lifetime of experiences, that lead him to this conclusion.
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On October 15 2017 13:45 thePunGun wrote:Danglars and GreenHorizons you 2 are at it again? The great Morgan Freeman once said when asked on 60 minutes about how we get rid of racism:"Stop talkin about it. I'm gonna stop callin' you a white man and I'm gonna ask you to stop callin' me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace and you know me as Morgan Freeman."I'm not askin you to stop.... But simply to consider the words of a man, who has lived through an entire lifetime of experiences, that lead him to this conclusion.
Except that's a really, really stupid idea. Racism doesn't magically disappear when we don't address it. Even if we stopped collecting data on demographics and stopped using explicit adjectives regarding our identity, there would still be an insurmountable amount of prejudice and implicit bias. Racists don't magically become non-racist if we "stop talking about it".
I love MF, but this is one of those one-liner responses where it sounds super profound and then you unpack it and think of it in a practical sense and realize it doesn't help.
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I don't think he meant ignoring racism. I think his point was, seeing each other as individuals and not like "I'm black/white and that defines who I am."
When we talk about race/racism all the time, we give it more power than it actually has.
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Still doesn't make any sense. If everyone sees everyone as individuals then sure, problem solved. But if the racist sees you as a black man then refusing to see yourself as anything other than an individual just denies you the language needed to address the specific problem you're having.
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Well talkin about it won't change a racists mind anyways. (Because biologically there's no such thing as race , unlike dogs/cats or horses there's only one human race. That's a scientific fact, but racism, like most ideologies ignores science and common sense.)
His whole point was making "race" an issue divides us as humans and if we can't move past that we won't evolve as a society and as a species.
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Yeah, I love me some Freeman voice overs but that clip is one of the dumbest things ever uttered. That philosophy is helpful to one group and one group only, racists. I'm sure he thought it was deep as hell, but it's completely useless.
On October 15 2017 15:05 thePunGun wrote:
Well talkin about it won't change a racists mind anyways. (Because biologically there's no such thing as race , other than dogs/cats or horses there's only one human race. That's a scientific fact, but racism, like most ideologies ignores science and common sense.)
His whole point was making "race" an issue divides us as humans and if we can't move past that we won't evolve as a society and as a species.
How bout lets fix the issues where races are treated completely differently in society, then we can talk about moving past it.
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On October 15 2017 15:05 thePunGun wrote:
Well talkin about it won't change a racists mind anyways. (Because biologically there's no such thing as race , other than dogs/cats or horses there's only one human race. That's a scientific fact, but racism, like most ideologies ignores science and common sense.)
His whole point was making "race" an issue divides us as humans and if we can't move past that we won't evolve as a society and as a species.
This is the view of a child who has only recently heard about the concept of racism in American history.
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Care to elaborate, why the opinion of an 80 year old african american man, who lived through decades of segregation before the civil rights movement even started is the dumbest thing ever uttered OuchyDathurts?
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If the problem that you're having is that, for example, the group average sentence for a black guy is longer than the total average for a given crime then refusing to see people colour doesn't do anything but hide the the problem.
"Judges are sentencing people for longer than the average"
"Surely everyone can't have longer than average sentences"
"No, there's like a group of people impacted"
"Oh, who?"
"Just people man, I don't see colour, we're all people"
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On October 15 2017 15:09 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 15:05 thePunGun wrote:
Well talkin about it won't change a racists mind anyways. (Because biologically there's no such thing as race , other than dogs/cats or horses there's only one human race. That's a scientific fact, but racism, like most ideologies ignores science and common sense.)
His whole point was making "race" an issue divides us as humans and if we can't move past that we won't evolve as a society and as a species. This is the view of a child who has only recently heard about the concept of racism in American history.
Well that's ironic, because your point is an assumption and NOT an argument.
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On October 15 2017 15:13 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 15:09 Slaughter wrote:On October 15 2017 15:05 thePunGun wrote:
Well talkin about it won't change a racists mind anyways. (Because biologically there's no such thing as race , other than dogs/cats or horses there's only one human race. That's a scientific fact, but racism, like most ideologies ignores science and common sense.)
His whole point was making "race" an issue divides us as humans and if we can't move past that we won't evolve as a society and as a species. This is the view of a child who has only recently heard about the concept of racism in American history. Well that's ironic, because your point is an assumption and NOT an argument.
Then perhaps you should not present a simplistic solution that basically ignores the fundamental natures of humanity, how humans build and maintain sociopolitical systems, cultural development and transmission of ideas, the historical context of how the United States formed and its institutions as well as ideas about race and how that affected things etc etc. Your quote and suggestion ignore reality and the complex nature of the problem.
We could solve all kinds of problems if we just ignored how humans act.
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