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{CC}StealthBlue
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21647 Posts
On September 22 2017 23:31 LegalLord wrote: In her book, Hillary talked a bit about the way she went to small towns. She went in, generally to unfriendly crowds, barely did anything, and went away with a mindset of "they don't understand how good I am for them." That's a message that I suspect our European folk are particularly sympathetic towards but that won't, and shouldn't, get you elected. And you know what? I think shes right. Small towns are in trouble around the world because they cant match big cities for service availability and yet people want access to those services. They don't want to hear 'I'm sorry, this is a universal problem that no one has a good answer to' even if its the truth. So instead they go for the snake oil salesmen time and time again and wonder why politicians betray them. | ||
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LegalLord
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On September 22 2017 23:51 Velr wrote: Why would exactly would europeans be sympathetic towards this? The Europeans who frequent this thread, specifically. | ||
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brian
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it was hilariously juxtaposed to a pro trump rally just a few hundred yards away. by all accounts, the juggalos outnumbered them by orders of magnitude. additionally trump was not in the city this wknd. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21647 Posts
On September 22 2017 23:58 LegalLord wrote: The Europeans who frequent this thread, specifically. That's an answer to who, not why. And second the question. I would love to hear why. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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ShoCkeyy
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On September 23 2017 00:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Juggalos = Libertarian Rednecks/Pot Smokers. It doesn't matter, you're not getting the point that ICP is trying to make. If it starts with them, then what artist is next? Who is next to be labeled as a gang? Migos? U2? Just cause you don't like a certain style of music, or the way they handle themselves doesn't give anybody the right to label them and discriminate against them. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:00 Gorsameth wrote: That's an answer to who, not why. And second the question. I would love to hear why. Dunno. The hard-on for big cities and catastrophic demographics among our specific crop of Europeans is a head-scratcher to me. I suspect 70%+ of y'all live in megacities and think everyone should (megacity worship by its inhabitants is a worldwide phenomenon). But I don't know. | ||
KwarK
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Yurie
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On September 23 2017 00:06 LegalLord wrote: Dunno. The hard-on for big cities and catastrophic demographics among our specific crop of Europeans is a head-scratcher to me. I suspect 70%+ of y'all live in megacities and think everyone should (megacity worship by its inhabitants is a worldwide phenomenon). But I don't know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacity#Largest_cities The US has much more of them than the EU does, at least large ones. So going to them for votes would seem more reasonable in the US than here. The same divide between rural and big city life happens everywhere. Different problems, more people in cities, easier to tackle their problems in many cases due to higher tax base connected to it and so on. I would assume a maximum of 2/10 of European posters on this site live in megacities. Personally I live in a city with below 100k population. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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On September 23 2017 00:07 KwarK wrote: As I understand it ICP have a weird subculture built around acceptance and creating an adoptive family to embrace people whose own community have let them down. And meth of course. Never met a juggalo who did meth... maybe in rural areas, but doesn't most rural area now a days have problems with meth? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:07 Yurie wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacity#Largest_cities The US has much more of them than the EU does, at least large ones. So going to them for votes would seem more reasonable in the US than here. The same divide between rural and big city life happens everywhere. Different problems, more people in cities, easier to tackle their problems in many cases due to higher tax base connected to it and so on. I would assume a maximum of 2/10 of European posters on this site live in megacities. Personally I live in a city with below 100k population. Why is London a baby city with 13 million people? And I love it when LL makes sweeping generalization about EU posters. I have no idea where anyone lives, the EU is a mystery to me. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28646 Posts
I'm not saying you can't come up with an example of a leftist describing fox or breitbart as fake news, but these were a very, very small minority. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21647 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:06 LegalLord wrote: Dunno. The hard-on for big cities and catastrophic demographics among our specific crop of Europeans is a head-scratcher to me. I suspect 70%+ of y'all live in megacities and think everyone should (megacity worship by its inhabitants is a worldwide phenomenon). But I don't know. My previously response on the matter (your fucked, live with it) probably leads you to believe I live in a 'megacity'. I live in a town of 3.000. We have 1 baker and 1 small supermarket where you can't do your weekly shopping. The nearest shopping center is 30min away (this is the Netherlands were talking about, nothing is actually far away) and becoming more empty by the year. I can only imagine how much worse it is in America with its vast distances. I tell them they are shit out of luck not because I don't understand their situation, but because I'm in it. This is a process that has been going on for centuries. It'll be a hell of a Noble prize if you figure out how to save the countryside from the inevitable concentration of population and services into 'megacities'. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:07 Yurie wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacity#Largest_cities The US has much more of them than the EU does, at least large ones. So going to them for votes would seem more reasonable in the US than here. The same divide between rural and big city life happens everywhere. Different problems, more people in cities, easier to tackle their problems in many cases due to higher tax base connected to it and so on. I would assume a maximum of 2/10 of European posters on this site live in megacities. Personally I live in a city with below 100k population. That assumes a fairly representative sample of Europeans in our midst, which is very likely not the case. I suppose I use "megacity" too loosely if you want to define it as >10m. Throw in some European capitals and second/third largest cities. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28646 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:24 LegalLord wrote: That assumes a fairly representative sample of Europeans in our midst, which is very likely not the case. I suppose I use "megacity" too loosely if you want to define it as >10m. Throw in some European capitals and second/third largest cities. Why is it very likely not the case? Like, is Oslo a megacity in your view? Birmingham? Cologne? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 23 2017 00:06 LegalLord wrote: Dunno. The hard-on for big cities and catastrophic demographics among our specific crop of Europeans is a head-scratcher to me. I suspect 70%+ of y'all live in megacities and think everyone should (megacity worship by its inhabitants is a worldwide phenomenon). But I don't know. random European reporting: I'm living in a 10k village. For a village 10k people is certainly a lot but it's not a city or a megacity~ | ||
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Liquid`Drone
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