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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:24:17
September 21 2017 21:26 GMT
#175921
On September 22 2017 06:08 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 05:49 Danglars wrote:
On September 22 2017 04:52 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 22 2017 04:50 Danglars wrote:
The twitter link was attesting that it's usually the left/liberals that are asking for these kinds of things.

The left complains about it because the right is the main source of fake news and hate groups...


Ahh, you remind me that I forgot to put "and sees all sorts of conservative groups as hate groups and all kinds of inconvenient news as fake news." The false cause for action goes hand in hand with all these authoritarian policies for the fix.


We are talking about stuff like "The pope endorsed Trump"

I know that right wing folks believe in alternate facts, but even then some things are just simply not correct. It takes me 30 seconds to make up random shit:

"Donald Trump and Angela Merkel were dating in the 80s"

If i had any talent, it would then take me maybe 3-4 hours to make a semi-legitimate looking web page that runs this "story" that i totally pulled out of my ass. It then takes me maybe a few more hours to make up other semi-legitimate looking sites that support this story.

If i place this random shit on facebook, it goes viral, i get ad money, and everyone is more stupid. At some point, someone will factcheck that, but because "weird story is not actually true" is boring, no one cares. Half the people who read my initial BS still believe that Trump was dating Merkel.

This is a problem. And right-wing people employ this very liberally, though some left-wing people are also very quick to propagate stuff without even basic factchecking if it fits their world view. The world would be better without this stuff. This can all be prevented by some basic factchecking early on. It just needs a "This is bullshit" stamp before it gets to people who will never hear the counterstory.

Fun fact, i actually just deleted another part of this post because i couldn't actually figure out quickly whether it was true or not. It was about the "fox news makes you less informed" stuff.

Maybe it started out as the story mills for clicks, but increasingly the term has come to mean deceptive news stories and mostly false news stories. Trump tweets about some stories being fake news, people says Trump's tweets are fake news, we have fake news outlets, etc. What you mention about story corrects happens on the other side on twitter. Some lefty journo will tweet out something wrong and get 7k retweets and likes, the correction will number 100-200 only.

See this CNN host's struggles on the topic of credibility from a panel of Trump voters


I haven't seen enough evidence for this having far reach ... like people voted for Trumo because they really thought the pope had endorsed him. I've yet to see a convincing write up showing it's impact beyond those few percent on right and left that are easily deceived ("Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist therefore not fit on Berkeley!!!").

It's all been very overblown. Much of the propulsion behind the fake news about the impact of fake news is closeted attempts to call all Trump voters stupid and ongoing overt attempts to undermine the legitimacy of his election (if people REALLY knew about Trump they wouldn't have voted for him!)
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
September 21 2017 21:37 GMT
#175922
On September 22 2017 05:17 Nevuk wrote:
It is fascinating to read comments on right wing sites vs left wing sites on the recent leak of Lawrence ODonnell freaking out on set. (It is pretty funny but no OReilly "do it live". ) It is mostly an embarrassing video of a B/C list liberal celebrity being (possibly understandably) annoyed.

Anyways, huffpost m.huffpost.com has very few comments and they're either " I don't care" or "he apologized so it is OK" while right wing sites are mostly focused on him behaving like a lunatic while questioning Trump's stability and treating this as a big win. Just a site at random, yahoo Canada has mostly conservative reactions ca.news.yahoo.com



I dont think the the original video is actually threadworthy, but these varying reactions are all interesting to me as both sides seem wrong on it. Here it is for context :


I kept waiting for it to happen. How is this a thing?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10881 Posts
September 21 2017 21:42 GMT
#175923
Guy close to be on air gets weird noices via coms and does show human reaction.


STOP THE PRESSES
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43966 Posts
September 21 2017 21:51 GMT
#175924
On September 22 2017 06:26 Danglars wrote:
I haven't seen enough evidence for this having far reach ... like people voted for Trumo because they really thought the pope had endorsed him. I've yet to see a convincing write up showing it's impact beyond those few percent on right and left that are easily deceived ("Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist therefore not fit on Berkeley!!!").

It's all been very overblown. Much of the propulsion behind the fake news about the impact of fake news is closeted attempts to call all Trump voters stupid and ongoing overt attempts to undermine the legitimacy of his election (if people REALLY knew about Trump they wouldn't have voted for him!)

You're aware that Trump himself was deceived by the fake Barry Soetoro stories and did a great deal to propagate them, right?

The limited reach of fake news extends to the President himself.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
September 21 2017 21:52 GMT
#175925
On September 22 2017 06:37 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 05:17 Nevuk wrote:
It is fascinating to read comments on right wing sites vs left wing sites on the recent leak of Lawrence ODonnell freaking out on set. (It is pretty funny but no OReilly "do it live". ) It is mostly an embarrassing video of a B/C list liberal celebrity being (possibly understandably) annoyed.

Anyways, huffpost m.huffpost.com has very few comments and they're either " I don't care" or "he apologized so it is OK" while right wing sites are mostly focused on him behaving like a lunatic while questioning Trump's stability and treating this as a big win. Just a site at random, yahoo Canada has mostly conservative reactions ca.news.yahoo.com



I dont think the the original video is actually threadworthy, but these varying reactions are all interesting to me as both sides seem wrong on it. Here it is for context :
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kLB1bZ2_VXE

I kept waiting for it to happen. How is this a thing?

Seems like a guy in charge reacting not very tactfully to his subordinates being crazy unprofessional. Probably the most interesting part is watching an anchor's face as he gets ready for the camera.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 22:02:15
September 21 2017 22:01 GMT
#175926
Trump says Alex Jones is a journalist. I understand people went a little nuts with the fake news thing, but we also had pizza gate which ended in gunfire. Its reach was real.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
September 21 2017 22:24 GMT
#175927
Journalist is not a protected title. You are a journalist. I am a journalist. We are all journalists.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
September 21 2017 22:46 GMT
#175928
Oh god, this could be entertaining.



I love there's this "Bernie should have waited to introduce legislation" thing going around liberal media circles and even Jennifer Palmieri refused to get on board when Chuck Todd asked her on MTP daily.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:32:06
September 21 2017 23:30 GMT
#175929
The hillary interview with Colbert is really.... something. At one point she accuses Putin of inventing Manspreading. (Maybe I misheard? It was really weird. I hope I misheard)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 21 2017 23:35 GMT
#175930
She's gone into full "it was Russia that made me lose" mode since the release of the book. I noticed that throughout it she talks about Putin with all the maturity of an 8-year-old. I suppose it's her form of loser's lament.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-21 23:42:54
September 21 2017 23:42 GMT
#175931
On September 22 2017 08:35 LegalLord wrote:
She's gone into full "it was Russia that made me lose" mode since the release of the book. I noticed that throughout it she talks about Putin with all the maturity of an 8-year-old. I suppose it's her form of loser's lament.

Was the book as bad with the huffpo review? That sucker was brutal if you read it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 21 2017 23:57 GMT
#175932
On September 22 2017 08:42 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 08:35 LegalLord wrote:
She's gone into full "it was Russia that made me lose" mode since the release of the book. I noticed that throughout it she talks about Putin with all the maturity of an 8-year-old. I suppose it's her form of loser's lament.

Was the book as bad with the huffpo review? That sucker was brutal if you read it.

I wrote a whole review on it in my blog if you want to know what I thought.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 00:11:26
September 22 2017 00:11 GMT
#175933


yowza
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 22 2017 00:13 GMT
#175934
Not gonna lie, rocket man has style.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
September 22 2017 00:21 GMT
#175935
On September 22 2017 09:11 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/910987902947086336

yowza


A frightened dog barks louder....

Not going to lie, fucking burn
Something witty
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 01:48:01
September 22 2017 01:01 GMT
#175936
On September 22 2017 09:11 Nevuk wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/910987902947086336

yowza

I...can't really fault him for this. What a glorious rebuke.

I also learned about the word 'dotard', how is that not a common insult in the dota community yet lol

'But far from making remarks of any persuasive power that can be viewed to be helpful to defusing tension, he made unprecedented rude nonsense one has never heard from any of his predecessors'

'he is unfit to hold the prerogative of supreme command of a country and he is surely a rogue and a gangster fond of playing with fire, rather than a politician'


I guess the bad news is tensions will only get higher though :X but at least WW3 goes down in style.

Maybe we should give Jong-Un a twitter account and have the countries leaders fight in 140 word rap battles instead of nukes.

Neosteel Enthusiast
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 22 2017 01:16 GMT
#175937
I can't be the only one a little bit concerned about the "path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last" bit. While I appreciate anytime a foreign leader calls out Trump's ridiculousness, this has some scarier undertones to it.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 22 2017 01:43 GMT
#175938


Neosteel Enthusiast
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 01:45:16
September 22 2017 01:44 GMT
#175939
Well, at least Kim Jong-Un's lawyers can spell "President" correctly.

(also, I always thought it was "doddard," I guess it kind of is but not really)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 22 2017 02:04 GMT
#175940
On September 22 2017 10:16 NewSunshine wrote:
I can't be the only one a little bit concerned about the "path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last" bit. While I appreciate anytime a foreign leader calls out Trump's ridiculousness, this has some scarier undertones to it.

Over time it's become increasingly clear that he is pushing for nukes in a very systematic, calculated way. That's not really anything new. It's always been a sort of cult-like reality over there.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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