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Introvert
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 02:57 WolfintheSheep wrote: I'm not sure it's a regulation thing. I mean, UK has a lot stricter defamation laws which probably has an effect, but I don't think that applies for most of the EU. But I think it was mentioned at some point that the US watches a shitload more TV than any other country. They have a variety of rules in place that the US used to have pre-cable TV, which vary by nation. We used to prevent companies from owning more than one network, for instance. We used to prevent things like conservative talk radio, Fox News and MSNBC. Companies would get in trouble for creating a show simply to appeal to one political point of view and affirm their beliefs. We got rid of all that because we thought the free market would handle it. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On September 23 2017 03:22 Introvert wrote: Useless Senators promising for years to repeal and then swallow left-wing premises on healthcare so hard they can't hit Ocare even a little bit. because even the GOP is probably not stupid enough to pass legislation that starts killing their own electorate. If you strip 20-30 million people of healthcare there is no amount of ideology that is going to prevent you from losing the next election. | ||
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Mohdoo
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farvacola
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 23 2017 03:30 Nyxisto wrote: because even the GOP is probably not stupid enough to pass legislation that starts killing their own electorate. If you strip 20-30 million people of healthcare there is no amount of ideology that is going to prevent you from losing the next election. Iunno, seems like 45+ in the Senate and most in the House were okay with doing that. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
also a reminder that something similar to the ACA was for a long time the GOP solution to healthcare (Nixon 1945 the Heritage plan in the 90s) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 03:22 Introvert wrote: Useless Senators promising for years to repeal and then swallow left-wing premises on healthcare so hard they can't hit Ocare even a little bit. The ACA is a Republican bill, front to back. It isn’t a left leaning bill. | ||
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Seuss
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Comey's first public appearance since his Senate testimony was GreenHorizoned by a unique, incredible, historical display of a small-group of self-important moron college students chanting "no justice no peace" for the 1000th time. Not just a seldom-heard figure at the center of an amazing controversy of historical implications, Comey is also just a really good speaker. But, who cares about that? I might be a young man enrolled in college in the wealthiest country in the world, but I'm going to act like the most oppressed, important person you've ever met. I'll knock over a starving Somalian to scream at you about those racist cops. I just wish people would get over their outrages-du-jour. Yes, black Americans continue to get the shaft. But, um, nuclear threats, democratic-interferences, foreign-relations plummeting, global warming, nuclear-treaties, etc., etc., etc. There's actually other things in the world that are bigger than your outrage, and if you can't respect that, then no one's going to give a shit about your all-important problem. | ||
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farvacola
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 04:04 Seuss wrote: It might be more correct to phrase that in the past tense. Was a Republican, market driven solution to healthcare created during the Nixon administration, but now that Democrats passed the bill, its socialism. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 23 2017 03:30 Mohdoo wrote: I don't understand how they are so unorganized. What made them think Paul and McCain would vote for it? Did they even discuss this ahead of time? They thought McCain would vote for it because the AZ governor backed it and he and Graham are BFFs. They thought Rand Paul would vote for it...well, I'm not sure they did. But if they did, it's because he has a long history of spinelessness on these kinds of votes when he's not acting purely symbolically (he'll dissent with R's but only when he doesn't kill a bill, typically) | ||
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Splynn
United States225 Posts
On September 23 2017 03:53 Plansix wrote: The ACA is a Republican bill, front to back. It isn’t a left leaning bill. I think this is where the problem comes from, too. Republicans attack it because Democrats passed it, but the ACA is the conservative option for healthcare. So when they try to come up with other plans, there's not really another option left for them. They attack the conservative bill as being too liberal. There isn't any room to the right to pivot to, so Republicans just scramble and keep coming up with awful legislation so that they can continue pandering to their base. They've typecast themselves too well as the opposition. | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
On September 23 2017 04:08 Leporello wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/protesters-disrupt-former-fbi-director-comeys-speech-at-howard-university/2017/09/22/ae75d1c8-9fae-11e7-9c8d-cf053ff30921_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories-2_comey-nhp-2pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5fecf0ed0c84 Comey's first public appearance since his Senate testimony was GreenHorizoned by a unique, incredible, historical display of a small-group of self-important moron college students chanting "no justice no peace" for the 1000th time. Not just a seldom-heard figure at the center of an amazing controversy of historical implications, Comey is also just a really good speaker. But, who cares about that? I might be a young man enrolled in college in the wealthiest country in the world, but I'm going to act like the most oppressed, important person you've ever met. I'll knock over a starving Somalian to scream at you about those racist cops. I just wish people would get over their outrages-du-jour. Yes, black Americans continue to get the shaft. But, um, nuclear threats, democratic-interferences, foreign-relations plummeting, global warming, nuclear-treaties, etc., etc., etc. There's actually other things in the world that are bigger than your outrage, and if you can't respect that, then no one's going to give a shit about your all-important problem. so you're saying that on the list of problems and ranking of importance, you'd put nukes, foreign relations, global warming, and lastly, your ability to hear comey speak over racial inequality? also a nice 'lol' at calling it greenhorizoning and trying to marginalize them as 'small.' i'm sure then you're not aware that Howard is an historically black college. supreme ignorance. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On September 23 2017 04:08 Leporello wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/protesters-disrupt-former-fbi-director-comeys-speech-at-howard-university/2017/09/22/ae75d1c8-9fae-11e7-9c8d-cf053ff30921_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories-2_comey-nhp-2pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5fecf0ed0c84 Comey's first public appearance since his Senate testimony was GreenHorizoned by a unique, incredible, historical display of a small-group of self-important moron college students chanting "no justice no peace" for the 1000th time. Not just a seldom-heard figure at the center of an amazing controversy of historical implications, Comey is also just a really good speaker. But, who cares about that? I might be a young man enrolled in college in the wealthiest country in the world, but I'm going to act like the most oppressed, important person you've ever met. I'll knock over a starving Somalian to scream at you about those racist cops. I just wish people would get over their outrages-du-jour. Yes, black Americans continue to get the shaft. But, um, nuclear threats, democratic-interferences, foreign-relations plummeting, global warming, nuclear-treaties, etc., etc., etc. There's actually other things in the world that are bigger than your outrage, and if you can't respect that, then no one's going to give a shit about your all-important problem. Spoken like someone truly out of touch with the pulse of America. Danglars would be proud. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 04:08 Leporello wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/protesters-disrupt-former-fbi-director-comeys-speech-at-howard-university/2017/09/22/ae75d1c8-9fae-11e7-9c8d-cf053ff30921_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories-2_comey-nhp-2pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.5fecf0ed0c84 Comey's first public appearance since his Senate testimony was GreenHorizoned by a unique, incredible, historical display of a small-group of self-important moron college students chanting "no justice no peace" for the 1000th time. Not just a seldom-heard figure at the center of an amazing controversy of historical implications, Comey is also just a really good speaker. But, who cares about that? I might be a young man enrolled in college in the wealthiest country in the world, but I'm going to act like the most oppressed, important person you've ever met. I'll knock over a starving Somalian to scream at you about those racist cops. I just wish people would get over their outrages-du-jour. Yes, black Americans continue to get the shaft. But, um, nuclear threats, democratic-interferences, foreign-relations plummeting, global warming, nuclear-treaties, etc., etc., etc. There's actually other things in the world that are bigger than your outrage, and if you can't respect that, then no one's going to give a shit about your all-important problem. Not shocked that any form of protest is now objectionable. Even if you get the attention of the speaker, they listen and politely respond and then you listen, it is still objectionable because you were rude. The reason I am not shocked, people didn’t approve on non-violent sit ins and bus boycotts during the civil rights movement. Those tactics were seen as divisive. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 23 2017 05:30 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I can't read the article, but what exactly are the protestors protesting about and what relevance does it have to a speech of Comey at a university? He was part of law enforcement in the government. Black students were not happy with the government’s treatment of blacks in general, but they really dislike the treatment by law enforcement. | ||
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