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On September 13 2017 02:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
What do people think about senator Merkley running for president? He's got a great review from me, but I am curious what others think. He's in Iowa right now, so he definitely seems like he's going that direction. A cursory view yields a fairly positive view. Don't know or care to research his history though. He's also co-sponsoring Bernie's healthcare bill. It's funny to see how suddenly everyone wants to ride the Bernie train. Bernie won in the end, but he now has to make the deal with the rest of the democratic party. This is how minds and politics are changed. Progress does not come in huge leaps, but through a slow grind. Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:09 Logo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
What do people think about senator Merkley running for president? He's got a great review from me, but I am curious what others think. He's in Iowa right now, so he definitely seems like he's going that direction. A cursory view yields a fairly positive view. Don't know or care to research his history though. He's also co-sponsoring Bernie's healthcare bill. It's funny to see how suddenly everyone wants to ride the Bernie train. I'm curious how many people would actually be sponsoring it if it had any sort of chance of passing. It would be the ACA hearings 2.0, but without a super majority. We are a very long way from getting anything like this through the senate.
Well what I mean is I wonder how many senators are quick to sign on because they know it's symbolic so they can say they support it and score points but without ever having to defend the bill or lose much face with the lobbyists who don't want to see this type of healthcare come about.
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gotta wonder why an editor would let a comparison to cersei lannister slide. like how are you going to get more work doing that? certainly nobody wants to be compared to cersei lannister. that's just stupidity.
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Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message!
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On September 13 2017 02:19 brian wrote:
gotta wonder why an editor would let a comparison to cersei lannister slide. like how are you going to get more work doing that? certainly nobody wants to be compared to cersei lannister. that's just stupidity.
The quote is terrible, but I can see how it slipped by. Cersei is a complex villain that has very human motivation, including trying to protect her children in a world where she doesn’t get to make her own decision. Like that she can’t even choose who to marry. And a lot of critics watching the show note that she is hated more than her father, who openly pushes his family to being terrible people to gain power. A lot of women critics say she is a terrible person, but a very believable villain for many women who understand exactly where she is coming from.
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On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message!
Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer?
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On September 13 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message! Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer?
Yep. Also, Obamacare is the ACA.
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On September 13 2017 02:13 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
What do people think about senator Merkley running for president? He's got a great review from me, but I am curious what others think. He's in Iowa right now, so he definitely seems like he's going that direction. A cursory view yields a fairly positive view. Don't know or care to research his history though. He's also co-sponsoring Bernie's healthcare bill. It's funny to see how suddenly everyone wants to ride the Bernie train. The more Hillary talks, the more Democrats see that that faux-pragmatic "centrism" is a loser's game. If Democrats jump off that game it's prudence more than anything else. Her book is turning into a goldmine of ridiculous quotes
Are you sure you're not just taking full pages of her out of context?
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On September 13 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message! Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer?
Alot of Americans have no idea wtf single payer means. It gives republicans room to spin it as big government and death panels and tons of other shit.
Medicare is already around and has a pretty good reputation. It also is harder to spin against when we already have it for seniors so people are more familiar with it.
Democrats suck at branding. Looks like they are trying to get this right but I am worried they will screw it up somehow.
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On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message!
Look, I would call it UHC if that term weren't shitted on by association with "socialism." Because frankly UHC is what I want.
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Using Medicare as the entryway prototype for an eventual American universal healthcare system is the best way to go about doing this, I think, so let's hope they stick to the message and this thing snowballs
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On September 13 2017 02:34 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:13 Nevuk wrote:On September 13 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
What do people think about senator Merkley running for president? He's got a great review from me, but I am curious what others think. He's in Iowa right now, so he definitely seems like he's going that direction. A cursory view yields a fairly positive view. Don't know or care to research his history though. He's also co-sponsoring Bernie's healthcare bill. It's funny to see how suddenly everyone wants to ride the Bernie train. The more Hillary talks, the more Democrats see that that faux-pragmatic "centrism" is a loser's game. If Democrats jump off that game it's prudence more than anything else. Her book is turning into a goldmine of ridiculous quotes https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/907587984983289861 Are you sure you're not just taking full pages of her out of context?
It's her book...
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On September 13 2017 02:49 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:34 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 02:13 Nevuk wrote:On September 13 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:04 LegalLord wrote:On September 13 2017 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
What do people think about senator Merkley running for president? He's got a great review from me, but I am curious what others think. He's in Iowa right now, so he definitely seems like he's going that direction. A cursory view yields a fairly positive view. Don't know or care to research his history though. He's also co-sponsoring Bernie's healthcare bill. It's funny to see how suddenly everyone wants to ride the Bernie train. The more Hillary talks, the more Democrats see that that faux-pragmatic "centrism" is a loser's game. If Democrats jump off that game it's prudence more than anything else. Her book is turning into a goldmine of ridiculous quotes https://twitter.com/charliespiering/status/907587984983289861 Are you sure you're not just taking full pages of her out of context? It's her book...
Did someone kill the humor center in your brain?
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On September 13 2017 02:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message! Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer? Yep. Also, Obamacare is the ACA.
Because no one ever screwed up that association...
It is uplifting to see support for med-for-all swinging this way (and go go MA senators). I think a necessary step to get this far was a failed repeal though - a ridiculous % of people didn't know Obamacare == ACA, and it's become very clear that there is bipartisan support among the people for something that actually works for us. There's still a loooooooooong slog, but let's see how closer we get with it this time.
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On September 13 2017 02:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:32 Plansix wrote:On September 13 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message! Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer? Yep. Also, Obamacare is the ACA. Because no one ever screwed up that association...It is uplifting to see support for med-for-all swinging this way (and go go MA senators). I think a necessary step to get this far was a failed repeal though - a ridiculous % of people didn't know Obamacare == ACA, and it's become very clear that there is bipartisan support among the people for something that actually works for us. There's still a loooooooooong slog, but let's see how closer we get with it this time.
That was sort of my point. Labeling, name and the history of words matter a lot. The Obamacare/ACA split is proof positive of that. It is how you convince people to vote for their own healthcare plans to be canceled without a replacement.
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On September 13 2017 02:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2017 02:32 Plansix wrote:On September 13 2017 02:29 Mohdoo wrote:On September 13 2017 02:27 Sadist wrote:
Please stop calling it Single Payer! Its going to screw up the message! Isn't medicare for all just another way to say single payer? Yep. Also, Obamacare is the ACA. Because no one ever screwed up that association... It is uplifting to see support for med-for-all swinging this way (and go go MA senators). I think a necessary step to get this far was a failed repeal though - a ridiculous % of people didn't know Obamacare == ACA, and it's become very clear that there is bipartisan support among the people for something that actually works for us. There's still a loooooooooong slog, but let's see how closer we get with it this time.
last I heard; there's still a lot of people who don't know that they're the same thing.
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Note that Medicare still requires you to pay insurance premiums, deductibles, and copays, particularly for parts B and D, so calling it single payer is a pretty gross exaggeration (unless the bill waives that component of Medicare in which case it's kind of a misnomer to call it Medicare for all). They're just all way lower than commercial insurance, though Part D is its own little snowflake of madness.
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A single payer won't solve anything until the US actually regulates its medical industry, you can have private insurance if you force them to operate as nonprofits, you have to cap prices on old medical technology, you can't charge me 20 grand for a CAT scan that shit been around since the 70's. Cost of medical supplies also need caps on their profit margins and removing a la carte pricing so you pay for the package of getting someone healthy not make more money if you mess up and require more things to be done.
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