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On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy?
Violent racists don't wear signs and don't sign up for groups that say "hey, I'm an active member of a racist group." Please find a better example.
Are you dismissing KKK violence? They committed violence, they are violent racists and sign up PRECISELY for that...
Edit: saw your edit. Can you provide some data or it's just small talk? I remember an user that used to do that everytime, just replying with 'citation needed'. But he was on your side.
What data? For US history. The civil war happened. The civil rights movement in the 1960s was super violent. The LA riots were very real. The FBI report is below:
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
edit: wasn't it clear that this was a provocation?
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
The Nazi party was on the rise in the 1930s and peeked right before the bombing of Pearl Harbor. That pretty much ended it. But the America First Movement had strong support right up until the bombing. If Japan had never attacked us, god knows what this country would look like.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
Um....They are anti-democratic. Nazis do not want to function under a democratic system, they want to destroy it and build a fascist system. They cannot be a viable party in a functioning democracy, they don't respect the system in anyway.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
Not destroy them. Destroy their ideology. Destroying Nazi ideology is 100% valid. Should Nazis be treated any differently than ISIS?
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy?
Violent racists don't wear signs and don't sign up for groups that say "hey, I'm an active member of a racist group." Please find a better example.
Are you dismissing KKK violence? They committed violence, they are violent racists and sign up PRECISELY for that...
Edit: saw your edit. Can you provide some data or it's just small talk? I remember an user that used to do that everytime, just replying with 'citation needed'. But he was on your side.
What data? For US history. The civil war happened. The civil rights movement in the 1960s was super violent. The LA riots were very real. The FBI report is below:
Thanks, I was referring to the infiltration. That is a battle I can understand - police in the US is fucked up beyond belief. But attacking the POTUS because he condemned violence is just politics.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
"But there aren't many KKK/Nazis/out and out racist marchers" is not a defense here. The objects of all these rallies and debates and violence are Confederate monuments across the country. The questions about the legacy of the Civil War in this country affect everyone, even if only a relatively small population is being racist and violent about it. The Civil War cost ~500,000 American lives and brought about a complete rewriting of our Constitution (yes, those new amendments changed the whole thing). Should we have statues dedicated to treasonous slavers and white supremacists on government property? This is a universally important question. No complaining about scale gets you out of that question.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
I didn't claim that the whole US is going fascist, but if you have ten or twenty clansmen in your small town and the guys do nothing but spread their crap they can have significant impact on your community. It doesn't take much for determined people to assert political power if everybody else does nothing.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
edit: wasn't it clear that this was a provocation?
I don't know why you think this is some kind of intellectual response to people shutting down Nazis. Being intolerant of Nazis doesn't make you intolerant, it makes you someone of decent moral character, and trying to paint "the other side" as "just as bad" is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read in my life.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
Takes one to know one?
here we go. achievement unlocked: you became the_donald.
Less than 24 hours after Charlotte trump released this ad that contains a list of people he identifies as the enemy.
Woah there no need to go full Nixon. He's trying to change the narrative and identify people obstructing his agenda (which is massive massive bigly success already apparently). List of people he identifies as enemies my ass, Nevuk.
Out of curiosity, and since all you Trumpers suddenly disappeared fron that debate, what's your take on Charlotte's events and the aftermath?
Debate? You must mean echo chamber. You'll have to drill down to some concrete questions that I didn't already post on, and the search function is open to you for the ones on the historical statue issue, political tweets from senators/NYT, left wing and right wing violence, etc.
Oh, and if you have curiosity, I'm not a Trumper. He was bottom of the barrel of acceptable candidates for the primary, and it was only the dawning reality of a Clinton presidency that got my to the polling station. Unless you're the kind of tribal member that wants to be called a Hillary shill. I'm a conservative Republican.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
Intolerant groups can punch way above their weight if civil society and the 'moderate' part of the population does nothing. If demographics were of any concern Trump wouldn't be president in the first place.
Find me a single case in history where a group (not even a party) below the 0,5% had any influence. Even Nazis started higher, at 2,6% in the 1928 election. We are talking about ANTS.
Going to go out on a limb and say that the Nazi party didn't just magically form with 2.6%. Shit builds my friend
Funny enough, that is the nazi way of thinking. Destroy them before they can become a problem.
Takes one to know one?
here we go. achievement unlocked: you became the_donald.
Just putting the cherry on top of your Godwin's law fail post. Don't take it to heart.
On August 15 2017 03:03 Wulfey_LA wrote: "But there aren't many KKK/Nazis/out and out racist marchers" is not a defense here. The objects of all these rallies and debates and violence are Confederate monuments across the country. The questions about the legacy of the Civil War in this country affect everyone, even if only a relatively small population is being racist and violent about it. The Civil War cost ~500,000 American lives and brought about a complete rewriting of our Constitution (yes, those new amendments changed the whole thing). Should we have statues dedicated to treasonous slavers and white supremacists on government property? This is a universally important question. No complaining about scale gets you out of that question.
What amendments and why was it a "complete rewriting of our constitution?" One of the more absurd assertions from you (yes yes it's true) that should rank with a Trump supporter's "he's delivered on all his campaign promises up to today."
On August 15 2017 03:03 Wulfey_LA wrote: "But there aren't many KKK/Nazis/out and out racist marchers" is not a defense here. The objects of all these rallies and debates and violence are Confederate monuments across the country. The questions about the legacy of the Civil War in this country affect everyone, even if only a relatively small population is being racist and violent about it. The Civil War cost ~500,000 American lives and brought about a complete rewriting of our Constitution (yes, those new amendments changed the whole thing). Should we have statues dedicated to treasonous slavers and white supremacists on government property? This is a universally important question. No complaining about scale gets you out of that question.
What amendments and why was it a "complete rewriting of our constitution?" One of the more absurd assertions from you (yes yes it's true) that should rank with a Trump supporter's "he's delivered on all his campaign promises up to today."
The rights of the constitution largely didn't apply against state governments and prior to the Civil War, states could make all kinds of unequal and illiberal laws. The 14th amendment decisively said that states couldn't do that anymore. We were not the same nation afterwards. The Federal Government would dominate the States.
On August 15 2017 03:03 Wulfey_LA wrote: "But there aren't many KKK/Nazis/out and out racist marchers" is not a defense here. The objects of all these rallies and debates and violence are Confederate monuments across the country. The questions about the legacy of the Civil War in this country affect everyone, even if only a relatively small population is being racist and violent about it. The Civil War cost ~500,000 American lives and brought about a complete rewriting of our Constitution (yes, those new amendments changed the whole thing). Should we have statues dedicated to treasonous slavers and white supremacists on government property? This is a universally important question. No complaining about scale gets you out of that question.
What amendments and why was it a "complete rewriting of our constitution?" One of the more absurd assertions from you (yes yes it's true) that should rank with a Trump supporter's "he's delivered on all his campaign promises up to today."
It may be an overstatement to say it was a complete rewrite, but I think it is generally understood to be more or less true. The 14th amendment changed a lot.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy? Do you believe 6,000 votes made the difference in the election for the POTUS? One sees only what he wants to see - on both sides of the spectrum. This thread is honestly no different from the_donald - just on the other side.
People aren't worried about the Klan, they're worried about the fact that there are numerous new groups popping up that have higher membership rates and aren't treated as as much of a laughingstock. See that dailystormer article being shared 65k times on Facebook. They're worried because people who hid their faces in the 19 fucking 20s no longer feel the need.
On August 15 2017 02:47 SoSexy wrote: Also, the panic is blown way off proportions. Ku Klux Klan has more or less 6,000 active members. That is roughly 0,002% of the American population. 0,002%. Do you believe this is a serious threat to American democracy?
Violent racists don't wear signs and don't sign up for groups that say "hey, I'm an active member of a racist group." Please find a better example.
Are you dismissing KKK violence? They committed violence, they are violent racists and sign up PRECISELY for that...
Edit: saw your edit. Can you provide some data or it's just small talk? I remember an user that used to do that everytime, just replying with 'citation needed'. But he was on your side.
What data? For US history. The civil war happened. The civil rights movement in the 1960s was super violent. The LA riots were very real. The FBI report is below:
Thanks, I was referring to the infiltration. That is a battle I can understand - police in the US is fucked up beyond belief. But attacking the POTUS because he condemned violence is just politics.
Trump refused to condemn the support of David Duke, a known KKK member. Steve Bannon is in the White House. Sebastian Gorka exists and there is no separating that man from love of the Order of Vitéz. And so on. Known racists and terrible humans now work in the White House. Just because you don’t pay attention doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
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