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On August 02 2017 02:51 Plansix wrote: The debt ceiling is a necessary balance to treasure(I think, I can’t remember, it is so stupid we fight about this). The tea party decided it needed to be a political football. Only they are dumb enough to grind everything to a halt to demand budget cuts by threaten to stop paying bills racked up last year.
I don't think the debt ceiling does anything all that useful; and it causes a LOT of trouble. I don't see the benefit of it outweighing the costs. I don't see how it helps balance out treasury issues at all. I also consider it just plain dumb from a legal standpoint; making laws that directly contradict each other is dumb. while it has been more of a problem in recent years, it did cause some issues prior to the tea party.
Is this one of your arguments where you see something as dumb because it is being abused, even though it has been around for about a century without abuse?
It is a congressional check on the treasury. It is how they would prevent the treasure from just creating endless money and destroy the economy. Congress has to approve things like “making more money” because that is their role. Anything that would be created could be abused by congress.
On August 02 2017 02:08 Plansix wrote: The worst part of the entire Fox/really-fake-news-this-time story is that is skips over the part that the entire thing is taking advantage of some poor kids death. It is shameful, but I'm so numb to it all at this point.
And here we have the real problem with the US. Not just P6. But all Americans.
This is one of the most disturbing things I have read this year.
That's law in the usa (and probably quiet a few other countries as well). Thx to scalia amongst others. When they know that someone is innocent but they also know that they are able to get a conviction from the jury they will proceed. Its a very technical and philosophical approach to law,any human element is being removed
What kind of criminal psychopath woukd work to send someone to jail for over a decade while having a document proving the person is innocent?
This woman deserves hell and it is really utterly fucked up that this can legally happen.
A lawyer.
Lawyers are generally more concerned about winning than they are with justice. The one type of lawyer where this is clearly problematic is the prosecutor.
Ok but in any ither case a lawyer is hired by a client who has something to win. Here no one has anything to win, it's just working to destroy an innocent life for absolutely no reason.
How can one sleep at night after that? It's fuckong horrifying.
Because the law attracts a certain type of high-powered asshole.
That's chilling.
But that's really one side of the problem. In a functional system this woman should be immediately removed from office and tried herself. Us justice system is utterly fucked up. A good system is supposed toprotect people against power abusing lunatic psychos.
No one polices the police and DAs in the US. They police themselves, which works exactly how you would expect.
They're "policed" by elected officials, actually. If you're unhappy with the result, then take it as an example of how inefficient it is to have organizations run by elected politicians.
It's a ubiquitous problem in government, which is why it's prudent to limit government in general.
So the only time wrong doing by police and DA is punished is when there is political will to do so? The rest of the time they can get away with it, so long as they avoid the attention of an elected official? That is a pretty inefficient system.
On August 02 2017 03:20 farvacola wrote: Nah, there are specific, unique issues implicated by elected prosecutors and judges, though your push towards equivocation is well noted.
Please explain to me where there exists a place (in the US) that the police department and DA's office doesn't have a direct reporting line to elected officials.
If you think the Chicago PD is racist (something I'd contest, but let's suppose), the mayor's office (or other elected official possibly) of the last 20 years has had the power to fire CPD leadership and fix that. But the mayor is obviously focused on other things (like things that matter in elections) and the mayor can also be replaced frequently (in theory... not exactly true in Chicago).
When was the last time Chicago had conservative mayor? Shouldn't a racist PD have been exposed long ago?
Or in the case of DA/police corruption, shouldn't have someone suggested a system with greater independence/transparency/lack of conflicts of interest long ago?
I'm not advocating for private police officers (as that's probably the greater of two evils), but to act like having officials elected by the general public run organizations incentivizes any kind of efficiency is total hogwash. Elected officials tend to focus on winning elections, and the general public that elects them is very uninformed, capricious, and uneducated on pretty much specific issue by necessity (the "general" public in a society needs diverse specializations to thrive).
I don't understand anything about the post either. I think he aserts that the CPD isn't racist but then argues why no one has ever found the CPD racist.
People know the CPD is racist they just lack the ability to convince the white successful areas of the city to go along with them with any changes because the white areas enjoy low crime and good police service. Its why Atlanta and Baltimore can't do anything good for black people when they're too afraid of the remaining white people taking them out of power to another faction who will do what the white people want to keep them in power.
On August 02 2017 03:57 Sermokala wrote: I don't understand anything about the post either. I think he aserts that the CPD isn't racist but then argues why no one has ever found the CPD racist.
People know the CPD is racist they just lack the ability to convince the white successful areas of the city to go along with them with any changes because the white areas enjoy low crime and good police service. Its why Atlanta and Baltimore can't do anything good for black people when they're too afraid of the remaining white people taking them out of power to another faction who will do what the white people want to keep them in power.
Even in heavily Democratic areas it's still the "white people" that are the problem. Is this the round-a-bout way of saying that the Democrats are heavily racist as well, because that's generally not the talking points. (Or perhaps, it's just wealthy white people, or wealth, & being white...I can never keep up with the "other" that is the target to deflect away from Government incompetence and Democratic rule)
By the way, more white people are killed than blacks by a 3:1 margin by police, and whites have been at the hands of state abuse quite a bit. You're right though about one thing - it's a socioeconomic problem mostly. Which is to say, that is the MO of Government in every society and region of the world. Maduro is not a poor man - his people are poor. Politicians in this country are not poor and the police generally don't abuse the donor (crony) class because they have the ear of the politicians. Rinse and repeat in every country with a Government. That was mozoku's point. Government is the oldest and longest running monopolist in the world, but so many believe it's Gods answer to man on Earth and without it we'd become extinct or we'd become barbarous neanderthals. Police are unaccountable to the public because they don't have a motive outside of their own individual morality and that is most often overridden by the iron hand of Government. They do a bad job. Police still get paid. Cover ups, lying, etc. you're more likely to be promoted. Try and do the right thing - you're hunted and ostracized. The examples are many. This is mostly true in every Government agency and setting. Military - my god, the running joke are the incompetents get promoted so the command doesn't have to deal with them anymore; Politicians - I'm being a bit redundant here; the Bureaucrats - spend more the merrier, mission creep, nosy busy-bodies who believe their personal morality should be foisted upon us all, etc. That's if they're competent - the VA, DMV, waiting 2 months on paperwork, etc. Customer service is not in the vocabulary of the bureaucrat. God forbid you anger one.
This is one of the most disturbing things I have read this year.
That's law in the usa (and probably quiet a few other countries as well). Thx to scalia amongst others. When they know that someone is innocent but they also know that they are able to get a conviction from the jury they will proceed. Its a very technical and philosophical approach to law,any human element is being removed
What kind of criminal psychopath woukd work to send someone to jail for over a decade while having a document proving the person is innocent?
This woman deserves hell and it is really utterly fucked up that this can legally happen.
A lawyer.
Lawyers are generally more concerned about winning than they are with justice. The one type of lawyer where this is clearly problematic is the prosecutor.
Ok but in any ither case a lawyer is hired by a client who has something to win. Here no one has anything to win, it's just working to destroy an innocent life for absolutely no reason.
How can one sleep at night after that? It's fuckong horrifying.
Because the law attracts a certain type of high-powered asshole.
That's chilling.
But that's really one side of the problem. In a functional system this woman should be immediately removed from office and tried herself. Us justice system is utterly fucked up. A good system is supposed toprotect people against power abusing lunatic psychos.
You should read your own countrymen sometime. They've noted this a long long time ago. Frederic Bastiat, Say, Constant, Dunoyer, Comte, etc. It is a defining feature of Government.
On August 02 2017 04:18 KwarK wrote: People can be racist against blacks without treating a given white person like a king.
Do you see why people might think that "white privilege" is stupid? The only "privilege" in this country is if you're connected to the Government, either directly or indirectly. There's no get out of jail card otherwise.
EPT
