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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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KwarK
United States42791 Posts
He'll just give Tillerson's job to Jared. All good. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 25 2017 08:26 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Boy scouts speech seems to be going well The boys laughed and then seemed to chant something that sounded like: “We love Trump! We love Trump!” Trump smiled and applauded them, then said: “By the way, just a question, did President Obama ever come to a Jamboree?” “Nooooo!” the boys roared back in a sound that seemed to turn into booing, apparently not giving Obama credit for sending a video message to the 2010 Jamboree. Never change, WaPo. This stuff is too rich. | ||
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KwarK
United States42791 Posts
An odd qualification to demand from a president but honestly Trump might learn a thing or two if he keeps going. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13957 Posts
Why doesn't other nations have cross military academy sports rivalries? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10727 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On July 25 2017 14:00 LegalLord wrote: When the time is right, I'll be ready to see Trump go down like the unqualified danger he is. For now, though, he is but a distraction - an ego that is used as a conduit for the disdain that people have developed for politicians as a whole who are far more dangerous as a ruling class than Trump is as a president. Once they learn the truth of the matter he won't last very long at all. Until then, he is kept alive by the badness of his opposition. It's amazing how often this point gets glossed over. Hell, even your Dem front runners (may change later) represent something of the same disdain. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21712 Posts
On July 25 2017 15:24 TheYango wrote: I'm confused about why Trump considers it productive to demean his predecessor to a bunch of ~10 year olds. Because hes a Narcissist? He cannot accept that he might not be the best, therefor he needs to constantly demean those who might be seen as his betters. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On July 25 2017 15:24 TheYango wrote: I'm confused about why Trump considers it productive to demean his predecessor to a bunch of ~10 year olds. It's not often Trump is surrounded with intellectual peers, plus you want to win the hearts and minds young. Don't need them thinking the first black president was anything but a terrible national disgrace (because of his policies of course). I think anyone who thinks either of them demeaned the nation thinks too highly of this country already though. | ||
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Slydie
1922 Posts
On July 25 2017 15:34 Sermokala wrote: I think Obama not going to the army-navy football game is worse then him not going to boy scout jamboree but I can accept that hes not a football guy. Why doesn't other nations have cross military academy sports rivalries? I am pretty sure you can find it somewhere, but on a small scale, for internal entertainment. Universities running big sports-teams is pretty unique to the US too. | ||
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m4ini
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Trump doesn't donate as much as he pretends he donates? I don't know if we really need to know how he funds 7$ fees. Like, we need more confirmation that he's petty, or that reporters covering him are chomping at the bit for slights to stick it to him? It kinda feeds an outrage culture that will get people a little exhausted in time. Way to miss the point mate. While i agree partially (not hard since you pretty much just paraphrased what i said), i certainly do care if somebody uses "foundation monies" to repair a fountain in front of one of his hotels. That's a fund other people donate to. And is supposed to do "good". You voted and continuously play the apologist for a human who's as despicable as they come, justifying his bullshit with either "didn't do anything" or "but hillary!!!11". The sad thing is with all this, there's thickheads out there who really think that they voted for someone who'll work for them or america. Or think that Trump somehow is a good guy. But, since you're one of the biggest whataboutists here next to the other usual suspects, how's that swamp draining going? I'm honestly interested in what someone like you thinks, if you can sell that promise somehow as well. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Here we go. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On July 25 2017 19:58 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/889790429398528000 Here we go. Doesn't he have enough enemies already? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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semantics
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Over the past two decades, an immense amount of journalistic energy was spent exploring the right-wing media ecosystem—from talk radio, to Fox News, to Breitbart and beyond—and documenting its growing influence on mainstream GOP politics. This turned out to be a worthy and prescient pursuit, and if any doubt remains about that, I’d present “President Donald Trump” as Exhibit A. While serious Republicans in the political class spent years scoffing at the “entertainers” and “provocateurs” on the supposedly powerless fringe, the denizens of the fever swamp were busy taking over the party. But 2017 poses the question: Could the same thing happen on the left? It’s a prospect that deserves more serious attention and debate than it’s gotten this year. The Trump era has given rise to a vast alternative left-wing media infrastructure that operates largely out of the view of casual news consumers, but commands a massive audience and growing influence in liberal America. There are polemical podcasters and partisan click farms; wild-eyed conspiracists and cynical fabulists. Some traffic heavily in rumor and wage campaigns of misinformation; others are merely aggregators and commentators who have carved out a corner of the web for themselves. But taken together, they form a media universe where partisan hysteria is too easily stoked, and fake news can travel at the speed of light. Before we go on, let me try to quiet the cries of “False equivalence!” before they begin: No, these personalities and publications do not yet wield the same influence in the Democratic Party that their counterparts do in the GOP. But ignoring them would be a mistake. In recent months, some of the most irresponsible actors in this world have proven alarmingly adept at influencing venerated figures of the left—from public intellectuals, to world-famous celebrities, to elected officials. www.theatlantic.com | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
On July 25 2017 21:02 tomatriedes wrote: An article relevant to some of the recent discussion in this thread: www.theatlantic.com See Louise Mensch. The Alex Jones of the left. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
Korea (South)2655 Posts
Fantastic article that really sums up my stance on the issue. Best part: Democrats’ lack of introspection about their past policy failures, along with their amateurish, newfound zeal for opposing Russia, hurts the wider effort to convince the American public that Russian meddling in our democracy is a serious issue. The most credible voices in this discussion are those genuinely knowledgeable about Russia’s grand strategy to disrupt Western democracy, of which the Trump case is but one element of a long-running global campaign. Not coincidentally, these people have also been consistent in their hawkishness across presidential administrations, as willing to confront the Obama administration over its failures as they are today lambasting Trump. Yet largely because of a media preference for sensationalism, these nuanced voices are being drowned out in favor of Democratic partisans and internet conspiracy theorists peddling wild accusations of “treason.” Most liberals, to put it bluntly, are new to the cause, and their obvious overcompensation and shrill rhetoric is degrading our civic culture. “We were and are under attack by a hostile foreign power and … we should be debating how many sanctions we should place on Russia or whether we should blow up the KGB, GSU [sic], or GRU,” Democratic factotum Paul Begala recently blathered on CNN, referring to, successively, the Soviet-era intelligence service, a non-existent agency, and Russian military intelligence. On Twitter, MSNBC host Joy Reid recently opined, apropos of nothing, that “Donald Trump married one American (his second wife) and two women from what used to be Soviet Yugoslavia: Ivana-Slovakia, Melania-Slovenia.” Put aside the weird, inquisitorial implication that Trump, solely by virtue of his having married two women from the former Eastern bloc, must therefore be a Russian mole. Reid’s assertion managed to fit three basic errors into a single sentence: 1) Ivana Trump was born in the present-day Czech Republic, not Slovakia 2) Slovakia, furthermore, was never part of Yugoslavia and 3) Yugoslavia, though socialist, was never part of the Soviet Union and famously resisted incorporation into the Warsaw Pact. This is what happens when partisan Democrats who never expressed an iota of interest in Russia before June 2016 try to impersonate Scoop Jackson: They end up sounding like a less methodical Joe McCarthy. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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