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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 14 2017 16:05 GMT
#161821
On July 15 2017 00:41 Doodsmack wrote:
The Useful Idiot President

Show nested quote +
The highlight of a chummy two-day visit was an extraordinary, on-the-walk handshake across the cobblestones, that included multiple mutual pats on the back of the hand and shoulder taps. At one point, the 30-second embrace drew in Macron's wife, Brigitte, leaving first lady Melania Trump standing slightly awkwardly to the side.

The unusual show of personal chemistry in Paris might just mean Macron, 39, and Trump, 71, just got along famously.

But Macron also clearly has a plan by making such an effusive show of friendship toward Trump, even though the US leader is unpopular in Europe and dismayed the French government by pulling out of the Paris climate accord.

It reflects the French leader's desire to ensure the United States does not totally divorce itself from the rest of the West.

And the charm offensive is the latest sign that some world leaders think the best way to get to Trump is not to rebuke or lecture him, but to flatter him and show him respect.

So France laid on sumptuous gastronomy, in a restaurant billed as "infused with dreams and magic" inside the Eiffel Tower. They provided a tour of Napoleon's tomb and made Trump guest of honor at the Bastille Day parade with marching bands, tanks and flyovers.


www.cnn.com


I think it is a good approach. The cost of kissing Trump's feet far outweigh the cost of him being grumpy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 14 2017 16:20 GMT
#161822
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 14 2017 16:22 GMT
#161823
The Trump family responds to the question "Are you idiots or liars?" with porque no los dos!
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 14 2017 16:38 GMT
#161824
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
July 14 2017 16:41 GMT
#161825
On July 15 2017 01:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/JesseFFerguson/status/885827774572888064

subtle.

"Dear senator, people re saying you can be bribed to vote yes. How do you plan to vote?"
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
July 14 2017 16:47 GMT
#161826
Although I haven't had time for a full read-through, the new version apparently still engages in insurance price-fixing and is thus still a fake repeal.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 14 2017 16:50 GMT
#161827
On July 15 2017 01:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/885859593422766081

He's so transparent, yet his story changes every day.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
July 14 2017 16:53 GMT
#161828
On July 15 2017 01:47 Buckyman wrote:
Although I haven't had time for a full read-through, the new version apparently still engages in insurance price-fixing and is thus still a fake repeal.


What is "insurance price-fixing?"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42655 Posts
July 14 2017 16:58 GMT
#161829
Just found this quote from last week. The world moves so fast it's often hard to keep up with all the amazing things this administration says.
Steven Mnunchin said:
What we want to make sure is that we coordinate with Russia, that we’re focused on cybersecurity together, that we make sure that they never interfere in any democratic elections or conduct any cyber security. And this is like any other strategic alliance. Whether we’re doing military exercises with our allies or anything else. This is about having capabilities to make sure that we both fight cyber together, which I think is a very significant accomplishment for President Trump.
A firm stance against cyber security and a commitment to fight cyber alongside Russia.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 17:00:24
July 14 2017 16:59 GMT
#161830
On July 15 2017 01:53 Mercy13 wrote:
What is "insurance price-fixing?"



Telling insurance companies how much they must charge for specific products. Current law gives insurers one degree of freedom, a baseline price, but use fixed ratios to restrict the rest of their pricing from there.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 17:03:03
July 14 2017 17:01 GMT
#161831
On July 15 2017 01:53 Mercy13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:47 Buckyman wrote:
Although I haven't had time for a full read-through, the new version apparently still engages in insurance price-fixing and is thus still a fake repeal.


What is "insurance price-fixing?"


Before engaging with buckyman about healthcare/insurance, please check his posting history on the topic.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 17:19:21
July 14 2017 17:14 GMT
#161832
On July 15 2017 01:47 Buckyman wrote:
Although I haven't had time for a full read-through, the new version apparently still engages in insurance price-fixing and is thus still a fake repeal.


Yeah, at its core it's the same bill which is why Rand and Collins went on record saying they would vote no so quickly. They're just praying they placated people with boosted opioid spending and the weird Cruz amendment (insurers can offer plans that don't meet requirements if they offer some that do).
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 14 2017 17:16 GMT
#161833
On July 15 2017 02:01 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 01:53 Mercy13 wrote:
On July 15 2017 01:47 Buckyman wrote:
Although I haven't had time for a full read-through, the new version apparently still engages in insurance price-fixing and is thus still a fake repeal.


What is "insurance price-fixing?"


Before engaging with buckyman about healthcare/insurance, please check his posting history on the topic.


Long story short, Ayn Rand.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 14 2017 17:20 GMT
#161834
who ironically ended up on a government welfare program, so it goes
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 14 2017 17:37 GMT
#161835
On July 15 2017 02:20 Nyxisto wrote:
who ironically ended up on a government welfare program, so it goes


b-b-but animals don't feel any remorse when looking out for themselves. Therefore modern humanity should abide by the same ethics.

QED.

Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
July 14 2017 17:45 GMT
#161836
On July 15 2017 02:20 Nyxisto wrote:
who ironically ended up on a government welfare program, so it goes

Really? Haha that makes my day!!
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17983 Posts
July 14 2017 17:49 GMT
#161837
On July 15 2017 02:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:20 Nyxisto wrote:
who ironically ended up on a government welfare program, so it goes

Really? Haha that makes my day!!

Snopes rates it as true. Quite hilarious indeed.

http://www.snopes.com/ayn-rand-social-security/
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
July 14 2017 17:51 GMT
#161838
On July 15 2017 02:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:20 Nyxisto wrote:
who ironically ended up on a government welfare program, so it goes

Really? Haha that makes my day!!

"If the animal feels no remorse when accepting free grass from the planet, neither should the shitty philosopher when collecting social security"
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
July 14 2017 18:08 GMT
#161839
On July 15 2017 02:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2017 02:01 Velr wrote:

Before engaging with buckyman about healthcare/insurance, please check his posting history on the topic.


Long story short, Ayn Rand.


In rough order of occurrence in the thread, I...
1) complained that my mandatory marketplace policy cost ~40% of my income in premiums with no tangible benefit. Responses ranged from a general "blame your state government" (which I rejected) to Kwark's "you don't understand the tax code, it isn't actually mandatory for you" (which I didn't). This happened several years ago.
2) Criticized the ACA for restricting consumer choice.
3) began advocating for a repeal.
4) commented on various repeal-and-replace proposals. At the same time, I identified what I thought of as the main problems with the ACA. The repeal-and-replace proposals all failed to address at least two of the major problems.
5) Did sufficient economic research to conclude that the ACA was making health care less affordable and posted the conclusion.
6) Checked the "X million people will lose health care" predictions against real-world data and concluded that the quoted figures were inflated; they used a definition of "lost" where about half of them had already lost health care.

Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 18:51:07
July 14 2017 18:46 GMT
#161840
The reason why these Russia stories are so damaging is that the new one each day blows away Team Trump's lies from the previous day. Each of their excuses falls apart in the next news cycle. How many times are Trumpkins going to swallow those lies and pretend like the liberals are hypocrites for picking on them about it?

Washington (CNN)The June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort included at least eight people.

The revelation of additional participants comes as The Associated Press first reported Friday that a Russian-American lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin said he also attended the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. CNN has reached out to Akhmetshin for comment.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html

EDIT: wow it gets better. Team Trump forgot to get Akhmetshin in on the official story. Akhmetshin is spilling the beans and not sticking to the "nothing came of it" script.

Veselnitskaya and Trump Jr. have said that the Trump Tower meeting centered on the Magnitsky Act.

But Akhmetshin said that Veselnitskaya brought a plastic folder full of printed-out documents to the meeting. Veselnitskaya’s documents “detailed her claims about the contributions to the Democratic National Committee,” AP reported.

Akhmetshin said he did not know if the documents came from the Russian government but that he believes that Veselnitskaya left the information with the Trump team members.



http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/14/russian-lawyer-reportedly-offered-dirt-on-dnc-just-days-before-document-dump/
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