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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 15 2017 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote: how does the aca limit consumer choice? by eliminating shitty scam insurance that covers nothing beyond aspirin, bandaids and a 15 minute session at a chiropractor? It's a simple tactic really. 1: Undermine parts of the ACA making it less profitable for insurance companies to offer insurance. 2: Insurance companies stop offering insurance in some markets because they don't deem it worthwhile, giving people less options to buy insurance from. 3: Blame ACA for companies leaving, because the people that will listen to you aren't going to check what's going on. | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
Meanwhile, it encourages certain "shitty scam insurance" practices, such as discriminating against out-of-network providers while not including certain specialties within the network, by putting them on level footing with traditional (non-HMO) plans. Finally, the whole standardized-benefits approach is profoundly anti-innovation. I posted an example upthread where a company providing 99% compliant insurance is penalized about 10 times harder than a company providing no insurance at all. | ||
KwarK
United States44440 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10989 Posts
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On July 15 2017 03:56 Buckyman wrote: The ACA forces consumers to buy insurance for things they know they won't use (e.g. contraception) or which they could pay out of pocket. It's structured to strongly discourage the health savings account plus catastrophic insurance model and outright forbids the rich to self-insure with massive penalties attached. Meanwhile, it encourages certain "shitty scam insurance" practices, such as discriminating against out-of-network providers while not including certain specialties within the network, by putting them on level footing with traditional (non-HMO) plans. Finally, the whole standardized-benefits approach is profoundly anti-innovation. I posted an example upthread where a company providing 99% compliant insurance is penalized about 10 times harder than a company providing no insurance at all. If you can't see how offering contraception can help a society as a whole, the discussion is useless. | ||
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Buckyman
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 15 2017 03:46 Wulfey_LA wrote: The reason why these Russia stories are so damaging is that the new one each day blows away Team Trump's lies from the previous day. Each of their excuses falls apart in the next news cycle. How many times are Trumpkins going to swallow those lies and pretend like the liberals are hypocrites for picking on them about it? http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html EDIT: wow it gets better. Team Trump forgot to get Akhmetshin in on the official story. Akhmetshin is spilling the beans and not sticking to the "nothing came of it" script. http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/14/russian-lawyer-reportedly-offered-dirt-on-dnc-just-days-before-document-dump/ Hope team Trump has someone rifling through their campaign documents for that folder. And this leaves 2 unidentified attendees at that meeting. Someone tell Don Jr to lie about who they were. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 15 2017 03:56 Buckyman wrote: The ACA forces consumers to buy insurance for things they know they won't use (e.g. contraception) or which they could pay out of pocket. It's structured to strongly discourage the health savings account plus catastrophic insurance model and outright forbids the rich to self-insure with massive penalties attached. Meanwhile, it encourages certain "shitty scam insurance" practices, such as discriminating against out-of-network providers while not including certain specialties within the network, by putting them on level footing with traditional (non-HMO) plans. Finally, the whole standardized-benefits approach is profoundly anti-innovation. I posted an example upthread where a company providing 99% compliant insurance is penalized about 10 times harder than a company providing no insurance at all. that. is. the. whole. fucking. point. of. insurance. i don't have cancer. i have not broken a leg. i don't have high blood pressure. insurance covers treatment for all those things. other people benefit from those particular bits of coverage. i don't. coverage is not meant to be a pick-and-choose shit that i want covered so i can "win" and get more paid for than i pay into the system. how the fuck does the ACA disincent HSA's? HSA adoption had skyrocketed as a direct result of various ACA-related regulations. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 15 2017 03:46 Wulfey_LA wrote: The reason why these Russia stories are so damaging is that the new one each day blows away Team Trump's lies from the previous day. Each of their excuses falls apart in the next news cycle. How many times are Trumpkins going to swallow those lies and pretend like the liberals are hypocrites for picking on them about it? http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/index.html EDIT: wow it gets better. Team Trump forgot to get Akhmetshin in on the official story. Akhmetshin is spilling the beans and not sticking to the "nothing came of it" script. http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/14/russian-lawyer-reportedly-offered-dirt-on-dnc-just-days-before-document-dump/ If he is saying this then in i wonder if Putin has decided that at this point his best play is to just undermine peoples faith in our system and grind our government to a halt by throwing fuel on the fire. Why else would the spy admit to things which hurt the Trump story so badly? Also, fucking hilarious that they just magically forgot to mention the slew of other people in the meeting as if it wouldn't come out. Just makes them look more guilty. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
That said, I'm glad our legal system isn't anything like mafia. | ||
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Buckyman
1364 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:44 ticklishmusic wrote: how the fuck does the ACA disincent HSA's? HSA adoption had skyrocketed as a direct result of various ACA-related regulations. It dis-incentivizes catastrophic coverage. HSAs are simply their complement. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:46 On_Slaught wrote: If he is saying this then in i wonder if Putin has decided that at this point his best play is to just undermine peoples faith in our system and grind our government to a halt by throwing fuel on the fire. Why else would the spy admit to things which hurt the Trump story so badly? I've generally been of the opinion that this was always Putin's intent. He wanted Trump to win not because they're in bed with one another but because a Trump victory causes the most disruptive scenario to American strength, position and stability. I know there are various other theories of why there was Russian interference to bolster one side specifically, but I don't think I've seen concrete enough evidence to buy into any of it yet. Also, fucking hilarious that they just magically forgot to mention the slew of other people in the meeting as if it wouldn't come out. Just makes them look more guilty. They just keep playing themselves. I'm not sure if they'll ever learn that their lies are being slowly baited and drawn out of them every day. Or maybe they just don't care because they feel untouchable (and I don't necessarily fault them for having that perspective thus far). On July 15 2017 04:50 Seuss wrote: If this were a game of mafia it'd effectively be over. Worst scum team ever gg. That said, I'm glad our legal system isn't anything like mafia. Seriously, that's what this whole thing has felt like. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
All Trump has to do is keep his base satisfied, nothing about this story upsets those people. | ||
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KwarK
United States44440 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:50 Buckyman wrote: It dis-incentivizes catastrophic coverage. HSAs are simply their complement. Americans, by and large, don't use HSAs because they have no money. The people who do use HSAs are the people who don't need additional tax deductions. HSAs don't give you any kind of magical matching or free money from the government, they just make your healthcare costs tax deductible if you save for them in advance and then pay yourself. 1) People who need help don't typically pay themselves 2) People who need help don't typically save for shit in advance 3) People who need help don't typically pay much in tax The problem with HSAs, as with all Republican plans, is that they basically only exist to give me something to do in my evenings when I'm trying to min-max personal finance as a game. I use all of the shit they create and I love it. But I have to wonder why there is an entire party devoted to just helping me personally dodge taxes. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:54 GreenHorizons wrote: If lying was a deal breaker for people who support Trump he would have never been elected. All Trump has to do is keep his base satisfied, nothing about this story upsets those people. Sure but his massive policy failures and broken promises sure do. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:50 Buckyman wrote: It dis-incentivizes catastrophic coverage. HSAs are simply their complement. and i repeat, HSA's have grown a huge amount under the ACA. since 2011, the % of plans offering HSA's has doubled. HSA's are available for ALL high deductible plans, not just minimum coverage catastrophic plans. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 15 2017 04:58 On_Slaught wrote: Sure but his massive policy failures and broken promises sure do. No not really, he's pretty effectively made it seem, and not really that wrong, that the Republicans on the hill are ineffectual and it's a lot their fault. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 15 2017 05:01 GreenHorizons wrote: No not really, he's pretty effectively made it seem, and not really that wrong, that the Republicans on the hill are ineffectual and it's a lot their fault. Which is still a win for Dems. If Rs lose the house or Senate because of bitter voters then Trumps presidency is effectively over. | ||
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