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people also get basic astronomy wrong so its not just politics. think like 40 percent of Americans think the sun rotates around the earth
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This is a preposterous notion. Everybody knows Barack Obama couldn’t have been responsible for the Katrina response because he was in Indonesia in 2005, learning about his Muslim faith in a madrassa. He had moved to Indonesia directly from his home country of Kenya, stopping in the United States just long enough to fake the moon landing.
From the artice. This is gold.
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On June 21 2017 02:13 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +This is a preposterous notion. Everybody knows Barack Obama couldn’t have been responsible for the Katrina response because he was in Indonesia in 2005, learning about his Muslim faith in a madrassa. He had moved to Indonesia directly from his home country of Kenya, stopping in the United States just long enough to fake the moon landing. From the artice. This is gold.
The sad part is that up until the fake moon landing I wasn't sure if it was sarcastic or not...
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Out of curiosity, are there any such polls making democrats look like complete dumbasses? Are there Obama era things that people blame on bush? I imagine I only hear about the polls showing republicans are idiots, but surely there must be a comparable democrat thing. Democrats who think Obama took out Saddam or something like that
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On June 21 2017 02:16 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 02:13 Artisreal wrote:This is a preposterous notion. Everybody knows Barack Obama couldn’t have been responsible for the Katrina response because he was in Indonesia in 2005, learning about his Muslim faith in a madrassa. He had moved to Indonesia directly from his home country of Kenya, stopping in the United States just long enough to fake the moon landing. From the artice. This is gold. The sad part is that up until the fake moon landing I wasn't sure if it was sarcastic or not...
same! haha
On June 21 2017 02:22 Mohdoo wrote:Out of curiosity, are there any such polls making democrats look like complete dumbasses? Are there Obama era things that people blame on bush? I imagine I only hear about the polls showing republicans are idiots, but surely there must be a comparable democrat thing. Democrats who think Obama took out Saddam or something like that
That is bound to be true but I don't know and would be interested as well
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On June 21 2017 02:22 Mohdoo wrote:Out of curiosity, are there any such polls making democrats look like complete dumbasses? Are there Obama era things that people blame on bush? I imagine I only hear about the polls showing republicans are idiots, but surely there must be a comparable democrat thing. Democrats who think Obama took out Saddam or something like that
and 13 percent of Obama voters said the government allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur.
Same article.
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well theres the famous would you bomb agrabah poll where dems and republicans at the same rate failed to realize Agrabah was a fictional country. probably others but can't think of any
9/11 as an inside job doesn't seem like something dems would believe in general. seems more like the government is tyranny/global conspiracy people who are probably super super far right.
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On June 21 2017 00:54 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 00:49 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 21 2017 00:34 Gorsameth wrote:On June 20 2017 23:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 20 2017 23:18 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On June 20 2017 23:10 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 20 2017 22:56 Plansix wrote:
Spicer was never really the problem, but he is the fall guy. I feel bad for whoever takes that role. Well nobody is forced to do it after all. At least Spicer could hope it would go all right. Would have to have lived under a rock to think that this is a good idea to take the job now. I actually wonder how they will find someone at all. I can't imagine anyone of the required calibre who would want to commit such a political and professional seppuku. I'd take the job. If only to see what this circus looks like from the inside. But I dont think I have the profile they are looking for. To be confronted daily by world class journalists about the last rage tweet shit storm and the inconsistencies of Trump without ever having an opportunity to just admit he is full of it looks like a job tailored made by Satan to punish dishonest politicians in the afterlife. For someone who has no political or public aspirations? Sure I will tell bullshit to journalists for 3 year where both myself and the journalist know that its all crap. Assuming the pay is good. And sympathy for Spicer? He know what he was getting into, I don't feel sorry for him. I'm pretty sure though that anyone who is qualified enough to hold such an important position and doesn't have public / political ambition can find a better paid and more satisfying job in a heartbit. Which is why their unlikely to find such a qualified person ^^ speaking of job hunting. How is that FBI position going?
I think the official nominee is Wray with not much happening. Well, there's the silly tidbit that he actually deleted a mention of his representing a client against the Russian government from his bio back in January. Desperate to appear more appealing to Trump????
(actually probably just a coincidence especially considering the other work his firm has done)
On June 21 2017 02:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 02:22 Mohdoo wrote:Out of curiosity, are there any such polls making democrats look like complete dumbasses? Are there Obama era things that people blame on bush? I imagine I only hear about the polls showing republicans are idiots, but surely there must be a comparable democrat thing. Democrats who think Obama took out Saddam or something like that Show nested quote +and 13 percent of Obama voters said the government allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur. Same article.
For what it's worth I think that question relies a lot on the language used. Because if bureaucratic ineptitude counts as allowing the attacks to occur then I think I would say they did
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I would absolutely believe that 1 in 8 Democratic voters believe that Bush had some level of involvement or foreknowledge of 9/11.
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On June 21 2017 02:35 KwarK wrote:
I would absolutely believe that 1 in 8 Democratic voters believe that Bush had some level of involvement or foreknowledge of 9/11.
yeah I'm not saying that's wrong I was just saying that the number of dems who believed that wasn't likely to be super high. I guess I misinterpreted your post as arguing that dems are less likely to believe. I Read way too much into a statistical number.
there's probably some conspiracy things that Dems would get up to 30 percent on.
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This video and audio ban is just another example of the kind of thing a remotely competent administration would not have done. They just look weak.
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On June 21 2017 02:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 02:22 Mohdoo wrote:Out of curiosity, are there any such polls making democrats look like complete dumbasses? Are there Obama era things that people blame on bush? I imagine I only hear about the polls showing republicans are idiots, but surely there must be a comparable democrat thing. Democrats who think Obama took out Saddam or something like that Show nested quote +and 13 percent of Obama voters said the government allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur. Same article. Does it say how many Republicans believe the same?
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I think that question needs a little more nuance because it's ascribing motive far too linearly. While the evidence shows that Russia most likely hacked the DNC and Podesta ("hacked the election" is too vague and charged to be useful), the "why" could be any number of reasons, or multiple reasons. I saw no particular reason beneath the surface why Russia might be that desperate for Trump but there was a lot of potential trolling to be had there.
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The reports state that the Russians were not trying to seek a specific outcome, but were attempting to discredit the process. They want to undermine American’s faith in the election and voting process. Trump being open to removing Russian sanctions is a bonus, but we never the goal.
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On June 21 2017 03:07 LegalLord wrote:I think that question needs a little more nuance because it's ascribing motive far too linearly. While the evidence shows that Russia most likely hacked the DNC and Podesta ("hacked the election" is too vague and charged to be useful), the "why" could be any number of reasons, or multiple reasons. I saw no particular reason beneath the surface why Russia might be that desperate for Trump but there was a lot of potential trolling to be had there.
it's sad that we have to care so much about polls about what people think on these topics, since it has election implications; even though most of those people have such a poor understanding of the actual issues that their assessments are largely trash.
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On June 21 2017 03:17 Plansix wrote:
The reports state that the Russians were not trying to seek a specific outcome, but were attempting to discredit the process. They want to undermine American’s faith in the election and voting process. Trump being open to removing Russian sanctions is a bonus, but we never the goal.
I think there is enough evidence to also say they were anti-Clinton winning.
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On June 21 2017 03:30 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 03:17 Plansix wrote:
The reports state that the Russians were not trying to seek a specific outcome, but were attempting to discredit the process. They want to undermine American’s faith in the election and voting process. Trump being open to removing Russian sanctions is a bonus, but we never the goal. I think there is enough evidence to also say they were anti-Clinton winning.
I would only go as far as to say that they were "fuck Clinton" in nature. I am not convinced that Russia would be particularly upset about Clinton winning given that she would be so bad at her job abroad that she would probably do just as much damage as Trump abroad.
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