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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22646 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 14:56:55
June 16 2017 14:56 GMT
#157481
On June 16 2017 23:53 Plansix wrote:
<Snip twitter>


I'm more interested in the "its not being written" part. Oo
What is not being written? Are they not working on the bill at all yet?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 15:00:14
June 16 2017 14:58 GMT
#157482
On June 16 2017 23:53 Plansix wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/t_golshan/status/875703220139696129



Jesus. I can't even say that's because McCain is getting on a bit, nobody seems to know what this fucking health bill does. Trump's first 100 days boil down to this.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 16 2017 14:59 GMT
#157483
The Senate's Russia sanctions package, whether or not you agree with it in principle, has every indication of being poorly conceived and heavily misguided. It won't accomplish any of the goals that it sets out to do in any useful way, and they almost banned Russian rocket engines again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 16 2017 15:08 GMT
#157484
Is there a good source that goes over the sanctions package?
I can certainly believe it was poorly conceived; it's sadly common to see such.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 16 2017 15:14 GMT
#157485
Congress took a step toward easing its stance on medical marijuana on Thursday.

U.S. Sens. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), Corey Booker (D-New Jersey) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-New York) introduced a bill that would end the federal prohibition of medical marijuana and take steps to improve research.

The Compassionate Access, Research Expansion and Respect States, or CARERS, Act would effectively change the Controlled Substances Act, allowing the possession, production and distribution of medical marijuana in states with established marijuana laws.

Twenty-nine states, as well as the District of Columbia, have already legalized marijuana, but the CARERS Act would prevent the federal government from prosecuting businesses and individuals in states where medical marijuana is legal, since federally marijuana is still illegal under the Controlled Substances Act.

“The reintroduction of the CARERS Act is the first of many steps we hope this Congress will take to end the federal prohibition of medical marijuana,” Don Murphy, director of conservative outreach for the Marijuana Policy Project, said in a statement. “Polls show overwhelmingly strong support for medical marijuana, and it spans the political spectrum.

“The federal government should not be meddling in state laws that allow it or obstructing research into its many medical benefits.”


This medical device scans your brain on marijuana
The introduction of the bill comes days after news that Attorney General Jeff Sessions wrote a letter to leaders of Congress asking that they undo protections for the industry under the Hinchey-Rohrabacher Amendment. That amendment, which is tied to the federal appropriations bill, prevents the Justice Department from using federal funds to enforce federal prohibition in states with legal marijuana laws.

Don’t miss: The marijuana industry could be worth $50 billion annually by 2026

The act, which was first introduced in 2015, would also allow doctors to recommend medical marijuana to veterans in states where its legal and it would give researchers more access to cannabis to conduct studies, which has been an issue in the industry.

Marijuana is made up of a multitude of cannabinoids — the two most prominent being tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD). While THC is the main psychoactive component, researchers believe CBD has potential medical uses. The CARERS Act would remove CBD from the Drug Enforcement Administration’s list of Schedule I drugs, according to Leafly, which would allow states to import it.


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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 15:29:19
June 16 2017 15:29 GMT
#157486
On June 16 2017 23:51 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 23:49 Tachion wrote:
Maybe it's because Obama has 90m followers and he has to one-up him.

Wow, didn't realize Obama had so many more than Trump. I am certain that bothers him.


random fact - obama has 5 of the 10 most liked tweets ever. the other 5 are ariana, ellen, hillary, michelle o and some random dude on youtube.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 16 2017 15:32 GMT
#157487
On June 16 2017 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 23:53 Plansix wrote:
<Snip twitter>


I'm more interested in the "its not being written" part. Oo
What is not being written? Are they not working on the bill at all yet?

I have to assume that everything that has been drafted can’t get to 50 votes. This was the problem with the ACA the first time, but without the super majority. It is nearly impossible to write legislation that will impact 1/6th of the economy without reaching to the other side to help you. The Republicans are coming to grip with that reality.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
June 16 2017 15:33 GMT
#157488
It's funny how i was at first happy to see the senate pass a bill to send a fuck you to Trump and then read it's a stab at the european gas market. So big donor interests beat partisan lines, got it. But the germans that protest now do so because their old Boss Schröder told dem so, who now works for Gasprom. So they are corrupt as well. I have to get mor cynical...

So anybody excited für a healthcare bill to pass the senate that is not done to solve problems but to pass the senate? I mean, what's healthcare to you anyway?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 16 2017 15:36 GMT
#157489
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 16 2017 15:46 GMT
#157490
While I think it's beneficial to Trump that he more or less dodged the AHCA being branded Trumpcare, I wonder what effect it had on its approval number.

Right now the GOP is getting the worst of both worlds. The core Trump supporters don't see a Trump label or strong support, which to date has helped them swallow some questionable pills. And it probably suffers from negativity by association with Trump for other voters, regardless of what it's called.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
June 16 2017 15:57 GMT
#157491
Hey, obvious question for people doubting the WaPo story about Trump being investigated for obstruction (I think Danglars was, not sure about xDaunt): does the president starting a tweet with "I am being investigated..." count as him officially being under investigation?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 16 2017 16:02 GMT
#157492
On June 17 2017 00:57 ChristianS wrote:
Hey, obvious question for people doubting the WaPo story about Trump being investigated for obstruction (I think Danglars was, not sure about xDaunt): does the president starting a tweet with "I am being investigated..." count as him officially being under investigation?


Whoa there, dude. Why not wait until you are given a stack of legal documents detailing the investigation, up to and including highly classified details? Maybe ease off the fake news. This idea that journalists have had a long history of using anonymous, trustworthy sources is so bogus and this just proves it. fake newsssss

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22646 Posts
June 16 2017 16:02 GMT
#157493
On June 17 2017 00:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/875664679812698112

its hard approve of a bill when no one knows what is in the bill (or even if its being written)
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 16 2017 16:03 GMT
#157494
On June 17 2017 01:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 00:57 ChristianS wrote:
Hey, obvious question for people doubting the WaPo story about Trump being investigated for obstruction (I think Danglars was, not sure about xDaunt): does the president starting a tweet with "I am being investigated..." count as him officially being under investigation?


Whoa there, dude. Why not wait until you are given a stack of legal documents detailing the investigation, up to and including highly classified details? Maybe ease off the fake news. This idea that journalists have had a long history of using anonymous, trustworthy sources is so bogus and this just proves it. fake newsssss


You look like a snake!!!
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 16:07:26
June 16 2017 16:04 GMT
#157495
On June 17 2017 01:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 00:57 ChristianS wrote:
Hey, obvious question for people doubting the WaPo story about Trump being investigated for obstruction (I think Danglars was, not sure about xDaunt): does the president starting a tweet with "I am being investigated..." count as him officially being under investigation?


Whoa there, dude. Why not wait until you are given a stack of legal documents detailing the investigation, up to and including highly classified details? Maybe ease off the fake news. This idea that journalists have had a long history of using anonymous, trustworthy sources is so bogus and this just proves it. fake newsssss


ITS NOT A BAN. those are YOUR WORDS. when he says BAN that's him using YOUR WORDS.


replace ban with investigation.

it's just another of those times where you have to choose whether you read him literally or metaphorically based on whichever has better optics. or whichever can be plausibly denied at the time.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 16 2017 16:37 GMT
#157496


"Believes the rule of law does not apply to him."
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 16:41:49
June 16 2017 16:40 GMT
#157497


Wonder how Rasmussen had to word their polls to get that number. "Great news! Only half the country dislikes me now!"
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44356 Posts
June 16 2017 16:41 GMT
#157498
The idea that the President's staunchest supporters would balk at anything Trump did is absurd. If Trump called upon members of /r/tD to assassinate his political opponents they'd cheer his name louder.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 16 2017 16:43 GMT
#157499
On June 17 2017 01:41 KwarK wrote:
The idea that the President's staunchest supporters would balk at anything Trump did is absurd. If Trump called upon members of /r/tD to assassinate his political opponents they'd cheer his name louder.

Look at it this way, if the Republicans and Trump's strongest supporters jeer him on and encourage him, he only walks himself further into quicksand. Every single time he's opened his mouth on the matter he's only made things worse.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 16 2017 16:50 GMT
#157500
On June 17 2017 01:43 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 01:41 KwarK wrote:
The idea that the President's staunchest supporters would balk at anything Trump did is absurd. If Trump called upon members of /r/tD to assassinate his political opponents they'd cheer his name louder.

Look at it this way, if the Republicans and Trump's strongest supporters jeer him on and encourage him, he only walks himself further into quicksand. Every single time he's opened his mouth on the matter he's only made things worse.


This is a good point. He is so tragically reliant on praise that he will do whatever he sees as making people praise him.
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