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during the Senate hearing one of the senators specifically applauded Comey for writing the memo's in such a way as to not be classified so they could be freely discussed.
As General Clapper said in an earlier hearing "non-classified? that's not leaking".
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On June 16 2017 00:35 Gorsameth wrote:
during the Senate hearing one of the senators specifically applauded Comey for writing the memo's in such a way as to not be classified so they could be freely discussed.
As General Clapper said in an earlier hearing "non-classified? that's not leaking".
Based on Sessions' answers, Trump has entirely redefined what constitutes "leaking". Fortunately, the law enormously disagrees with him.
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"Leaking" isn't leaking any more than "fake news" is news fabricated from whole cloth or "illegal" is illegal. Anything Trump puts in quotes is a brand new and useless term designed to weaken or change an actual meaningful term.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July.
source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589
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generally speaking "privileged information" always ends up spread around more people than originally intended. it is only illegal or prohibited/subject to litigation in a very small fraction of cases. no one cares if someone tells their bud that so-and-so company hired so-and-so consultant or some other tidbit. stuff like that runs up against but not afoul of regulations.
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On June 16 2017 00:10 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 19:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 15 2017 12:11 Danglars wrote:On June 15 2017 09:26 biology]major wrote:On June 15 2017 09:17 Danglars wrote:On June 15 2017 08:54 biology]major wrote:
That's the thing, we have an idiot president who is going out of his way to out do his own idiocy at every turn and a bureaucracy that is invested in bringing him down. They are both happening simultaneously, and this time, I don't give a damn if the deepstate or the boogeyman takes trump down. We get pence, a much more polished politician, and we already have Gorsuch. Tax reform, healthcare are dependent on congress anyways so Trump is a net negative to the USA as of right now. So you would count as allies a bureaucracy gunning to depose its boss because you favor the outcome of Trump leaving office? I'm a bit horrified at that application of the ends justify the means. We also get an emboldened 4th branch that provably can claim a scalp that elected officials cannot ... which is a far greater threat to the Republic and democracy than you realize. Trump could have played his hand as 45 a million times better, won over both democrats and republicans, and made real change. He has all branches of government on his side. Instead he squanders an opportunity, disgraces the office with his constant lies and hypocrisy, and has not a single shred of decency. Why would I feel sorry for this buffoon? He was given a chance of a lifetime, and has so far been a crooked mess. Sad! I wouldn't even mind if he was just bad at his job, it's his blatant immorality that irks me. Sure he might not have done anything illegal, but crooked trump and crooked hillary are both cut from same cloth. One has the temperament of a child and the other a grown woman. I'm with DEB & xDaunt on that one. He couldn't have had the bureaucracy on his side; he was elected to shake it up and his entire brash character was aimed at upsetting the established order of the agencies. It should also be clear that his campaign promise of a temporary travel ban did not put the courts on his side; who have so much unrestrained activism that they think foreign policy is under judicial purview (but we've probably covered that one enough in this thread already). He took TONS of shots at establishment Republicans before joining hands on this and that, so you could also make the argument that the legislature was against him from the start, though it's so fractionally divided anyways that it's of weaker significance. No, no, and no, impossible! And don't flee to "feel sorry," I neither implied it nor ask it. I say instead you are foolish to join a dangerous party to unseat Trump. Do you have anything to say about the main point of the post you quoted? You know, reading you, sometimes I wonder : what will it take for you to admit that Trump is a disgraceful, dishonest incompetent fool that ridicules his function and that this administration is a giant shitshow? To paraphrase Cooper, at that point it looks like Trump could go to your place and take a dump on your desk, you would defend him. I voted for a guy in France in 2012 who ended up being a pathetically weak, spineless president. Well I fucked it up. He was from my party, but he and his government were shit, and I won't vote for the PS until his goons have been cleared up because they clearly can't run a country. Is it too much cognitive dissonance for you to endure to admit your guy is a fucking disaster? Maybe you missed when I've routinely criticized Trump on issues where we disagree. It still doesn't excuse acting like court jesters inventing laws and peddling conspiracy theories when he can be legitimately criticized on any number of fronts from AHCA to twitter to inappropriate conversation to foreign policy to going overboard on fake news. The search function is open to you want to correct your understanding of my posting history.
you know dangles i am kind of surprised you and dauntless are so in the hole on this one. if i may, remember the discussion around the ferguson shooting with michael brown? and how dauntless said things like "maybe cops shouldnt be shooting people in various situations, but michael brown is not the hill you outraged people want to die on?" isn't this an analogous case? maybe theres some argument both ways about foreign policy and leaks and executive privilege and the ability to appoint agency executives. but Trump is still a fucking crook with no integrity who has been stealing and fucking people over his whole life. he's the opposite of all the small town american values you always go on about. when do you just wash your hands and say, "the democrats are acting hysterical but trump is still garbage" i just don't see the point in wasting so much energy to defend him
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On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589
Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that and a lot of people tend not to understand humor.
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On June 16 2017 02:29 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589 Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that.
That's kinda the point though, he's trolling our administration, whether you identify it as a joke or not. It's not like Comey is under any real threat anyway.
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Putin's troll game is on point. I don't think anyone took that seriously. There was an interview with another Russian official a while ago about protests in Russia. The Russian official pretty much parroted conservative talking points, said women should stay home, be sexy, respectful and not make vulgar hats. The reporter has to preface the entire exchange by saying the office was trying to get a rise out of Americans. I have growing respect for how hard Russian officials troll our media and people.
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On June 16 2017 02:34 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 02:29 LegalLord wrote:On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589 Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that. That's kinda the point though, he's trolling our administration, whether you identify it as a joke or not. It's not like Comey is under any real threat anyway.
There's actually a second joke in there that you might not notice if you don't look closely: Putin makes fun of the US' tendency to take political figures under their protection under the guise of human rights protection. Just an FYI for people who don't know the context here.
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An American lobbyist for Russian interests who helped craft an important foreign policy speech for Donald Trump has confirmed that he attended two dinners hosted by Jeff Sessions during the 2016 campaign, apparently contradicting the attorney general’s sworn testimony given this week.
Sessions testified under oath on Tuesday that he did not believe he had any contacts with lobbyists working for Russian interests over the course of Trump’s campaign. But Richard Burt, a former ambassador to Germany during the Reagan administration, who has represented Russian interests in Washington, told the Guardian that he could confirm previous media reports that stated he had contacts with Sessions at the time.
“I did attend two dinners with groups of former Republican foreign policy officials and Senator Sessions,” Burt said.
Asked whether Sessions was unfamiliar with Burt’s role as a lobbyist for Russian interests – a fact that is disclosed in public records – or had any reason to be confused about the issue, Burt told the Guardian that he did not know.
Several media reports published before Trump’s election in November noted that Burt advised then candidate Trump on his first major foreign policy speech, a role that brought him into contact with Sessions personally.
Burt, who previously served on the advisory board of Alfa Capital Partners, a private equity fund where Russia’s Alfa Bank was an investor and last year was lobbying on behalf of a pipeline company that is now controlled by Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy conglomerate, first told Politico in October that he had been invited to two dinners that were hosted by Sessions last summer, at the height of the presidential campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/15/lobbyist-russian-interests-jeff-sessions-testimony?CMP=share_btn_tw
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And with that report, reporters are off to the races to see if Jeff Sessions would have any reason to know that Richard Burt was a lobbyist for Russia.
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On June 16 2017 02:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:Show nested quote +An American lobbyist for Russian interests who helped craft an important foreign policy speech for Donald Trump has confirmed that he attended two dinners hosted by Jeff Sessions during the 2016 campaign, apparently contradicting the attorney general’s sworn testimony given this week.
Sessions testified under oath on Tuesday that he did not believe he had any contacts with lobbyists working for Russian interests over the course of Trump’s campaign. But Richard Burt, a former ambassador to Germany during the Reagan administration, who has represented Russian interests in Washington, told the Guardian that he could confirm previous media reports that stated he had contacts with Sessions at the time.
“I did attend two dinners with groups of former Republican foreign policy officials and Senator Sessions,” Burt said.
Asked whether Sessions was unfamiliar with Burt’s role as a lobbyist for Russian interests – a fact that is disclosed in public records – or had any reason to be confused about the issue, Burt told the Guardian that he did not know.
Several media reports published before Trump’s election in November noted that Burt advised then candidate Trump on his first major foreign policy speech, a role that brought him into contact with Sessions personally.
Burt, who previously served on the advisory board of Alfa Capital Partners, a private equity fund where Russia’s Alfa Bank was an investor and last year was lobbying on behalf of a pipeline company that is now controlled by Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy conglomerate, first told Politico in October that he had been invited to two dinners that were hosted by Sessions last summer, at the height of the presidential campaign.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/15/lobbyist-russian-interests-jeff-sessions-testimony?CMP=share_btn_tw
The foreign policy speech being referenced is the Mayflower one. How many other Russian aligned lobbyists were helping with Trump's foreign policy? A highly unusual level of Russian friendliness and alignment from the Trump campaign.
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On June 16 2017 02:29 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589 Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that and a lot of people tend not to understand humor.
Joke or not, it's still worth a laugh
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On June 16 2017 04:11 Sbrubbles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 02:29 LegalLord wrote:On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589 Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that and a lot of people tend not to understand humor. Joke or not, it's still worth a laugh
Hopefully Russia would also go through with it if Comey took up the offer.
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On June 16 2017 02:37 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 02:34 NewSunshine wrote:On June 16 2017 02:29 LegalLord wrote:On June 16 2017 01:55 NewSunshine wrote:Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.
“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”
Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.
Comey testified last Thursday about conversations he had with President Donald Trump, saying that the president demanded loyalty from him and pressured the former FBI director to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn.
The Washington Post on Wednesday reported that special prosecutor Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice.
Putin also partially disputed the claims of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential elections.
“The FBI director [Andrew McCabe] said there was Russian interference in the U.S. election process but again gave no evidence,” Putin said. “We have our opinion — we say it openly — but it’s not some kind of underground sabotage activity.”
However, classified National Security Agency documents showed that they found Russian election interference in 39 states. The report was dated May 5 and was made public by The Intercept a month later.
Putin and Trump will have their first in-person meeting at the G-20 summit in July. source: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589 Just in case it wasn't obvious, the statement was said as a joke by Putin. I mention it because this article doesn't seem to acknowledge that. That's kinda the point though, he's trolling our administration, whether you identify it as a joke or not. It's not like Comey is under any real threat anyway. There's actually a second joke in there that you might not notice if you don't look closely: Putin makes fun of the US' tendency to take political figures under their protection under the guise of human rights protection. Just an FYI for people who don't know the context here. As opposed to jailed opposition and mysteriously killed political figures in Russia. Put into that context, it is quite funny. Oh Putin, why are you so funny?
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