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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 12 2017 23:55 GMT
#156881
On June 13 2017 08:36 biology]major wrote:
He'd do it, and I don't even think it would be a mistake on his part. His approval rating is at 34%, and it will not go any lower because base is cult like. If he fires Mueller, he gets off the hook, and just rolls along at 30% approval. He would be a 1 term president, with a permanent russia cloud, but it would not result in impeachment.

His staff sits around with Mueller and Rosenstein fired? You underestimate the chain of events from that mark. It would be huge even for Trump.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 12 2017 23:56 GMT
#156882
On June 13 2017 08:54 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 08:51 farvacola wrote:
On June 13 2017 08:49 biology]major wrote:
On June 13 2017 08:49 farvacola wrote:
The law surrounding the dismissal powers of the president relative to a special prosecutor is unclear enough to render a "fire first, ask questions later" approach a pretty surefire way to inspire an immense legal controversy.


In other words, no big deal to trump.

Nope, these are waters deeper than those previously tread by Trump, particularly because of pre-existing DoJ special prosecutor dismissal regulations and the lack of an undergirding statute.


Ok well I'm glad these restrictions are in place then, I was losing faith in the system and realized Trump could just fire anyone in the executive branch who got in his way. Good to know

firing high level people is easy; many high level positions are political appointees/subject to direct presidential firing. but the bulk of the lower levels of the civil service aren't, and have complicated and difficult provisions to fire.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 12 2017 23:57 GMT
#156883
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 13 2017 00:18 GMT
#156884
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 00:21:48
June 13 2017 00:21 GMT
#156885
You really need to watch the full video here. It's just a 11 minute dick sucking contest for Trump. It's really fucking weird.



Schumer counter trolled him at least.

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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 00:23:20
June 13 2017 00:22 GMT
#156886
On June 13 2017 09:21 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
You really need to watch the full video here. It's just a 11 minute dick sucking contest for Trump. It's really fucking weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ARgUIpM6f0

Schumer counter trolled him at least.

https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/874327317748883456


Mattis had the best response, no dick sucking, just said happy to be there to represent men and women of dod. Priebus was the weirdest, was on his knees basically.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 00:37:51
June 13 2017 00:33 GMT
#156887
On June 13 2017 08:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I assume this would require republican support

A good chunk of the justice department staff would quit in protest before that order was executing that order. The senate republicans would flip out. At least eight of them have spines.



And many attorneys seem to be saying this too.

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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 13 2017 00:41 GMT
#156888
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 00:47:29
June 13 2017 00:43 GMT
#156889
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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Their baseline metric shows approval, but it might become more clear once they do another collected "strongly approve" analysis like they did in May. Basically, Trump was down to 22% strongly approve from a height of 30%, and they didn't really flow proportionately to "slightly approve" to offset the rise in disapproval. It would be odd if the continuing decline into June didn't also pull disproportionately from "strong approval."

Defining just how big his base is has always been pretty nebulous, though. At one point he was only garnering like 35% of the Republican primary votes, after all, though of course the "he's our guy now" has converted some folks.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
June 13 2017 00:57 GMT
#156890
On June 13 2017 08:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 08:51 Gahlo wrote:
Firing Mueller would just make the speedrun tool assisted. Pathetic. SAD.


for a speedrun you would be foolish to not take advantage of a tried and true route

A lot of speed running is taking tried and true tactics and refining them.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 13 2017 01:12 GMT
#156891
On June 13 2017 09:57 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 08:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
On June 13 2017 08:51 Gahlo wrote:
Firing Mueller would just make the speedrun tool assisted. Pathetic. SAD.


for a speedrun you would be foolish to not take advantage of a tried and true route

A lot of speed running is taking tried and true tactics and refining them.

"I have the best speedruns. Huge speedruns, wonderful speedruns. Nobody has better speedruns than me. I get them from wonderful people, tremendous people, nobody has better people than me."
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 13 2017 01:23 GMT
#156892
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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Trump needs to turn his presidency around by doing what we elected him to do. Not play the Russia game and get into Twitter spats, but rework our FP, get rid of NAFTA, make those Obama-era European sycophants piss off, and make life better for the disenfranchised rural folk who voted him in. A good job doesn't start or end with Twitter wars or Russia investigations.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 13 2017 01:31 GMT
#156893
If Trump tries to fire Mueller, I think it will be confirmation that at the very least he expects Kushner to go down from an investigation. If he tries to fire Mueller, it signals that he has nothing left to lose.
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
June 13 2017 01:33 GMT
#156894
On June 13 2017 10:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

[image loading]

Trump needs to turn his presidency around by doing what we elected him to do. Not play the Russia game and get into Twitter spats, but rework our FP, get rid of NAFTA, make those Obama-era European sycophants piss off, and make life better for the disenfranchised rural folk who voted him in. A good job doesn't start or end with Twitter wars or Russia investigations.


No. There will be no policy for the Trump dead-enders. Trump has moved past policy and simply has formal signing ceremonies for memos of suggestions to congress. Trump knows his market and they are deluded imbeciles that lap up images of the President signing bills. Do they care that he signs fake bills? Or that he talks about tax laws that don't exist? Or that he crows about Saudi Arabian arms deals that didn't actually close? Trump knows they don't and has transitioned into a Potempkin Presidency.

Except the papers Trump signed didn't represent legislation passed by Congress, or even an executive order written by his White House staff. What Trump actually signed was, according to the White House, "a decision memo and letter transmitting legislative principles to Congress." Essentially, Trump signed a letter announcing his intent to overhaul the air traffic control system.


https://www.attn.com/stories/17502/president-trumps-fake-signing-ceremony
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 13 2017 02:27 GMT
#156895
On June 13 2017 10:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

[image loading]

Trump needs to turn his presidency around by doing what we elected him to do. Not play the Russia game and get into Twitter spats, but rework our FP, get rid of NAFTA, make those Obama-era European sycophants piss off, and make life better for the disenfranchised rural folk who voted him in. A good job doesn't start or end with Twitter wars or Russia investigations.


The only way that would happen would be if Trump thought he was elected to do those things. I think he just thinks he was elected to be king and be showered with praise.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 13 2017 02:35 GMT
#156896
On June 13 2017 08:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I assume this would require republican support https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/874406787293773824

What a constitutional illiterate. He has jack shit to do with appointments of special counsel; the best he can do is aim for an investigatory committee and appoint Mueller, but even then he'd need help for the authorizing resolution.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
June 13 2017 02:39 GMT
#156897
On June 13 2017 11:35 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 08:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I assume this would require republican support https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/874406787293773824

What a constitutional illiterate. He has jack shit to do with appointments of special counsel; the best he can do is aim for an investigatory committee and appoint Mueller, but even then he'd need help for the authorizing resolution.

Not certain what you mean. A cursory read of the wikipedia page suggests that Congress can appoint special counsel, and has before in the Teapot Dome scandal. Presumably Schiff would be referring to a similar process? What am I missing here?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 13 2017 02:40 GMT
#156898
On June 13 2017 10:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

[image loading]

Trump needs to turn his presidency around by doing what we elected him to do. Not play the Russia game and get into Twitter spats, but rework our FP, get rid of NAFTA, make those Obama-era European sycophants piss off, and make life better for the disenfranchised rural folk who voted him in. A good job doesn't start or end with Twitter wars or Russia investigations.

"What we elected him to do?" I thought you were one of those voting not to elect him?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-13 02:53:55
June 13 2017 02:52 GMT
#156899
On June 13 2017 11:39 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 11:35 Danglars wrote:
On June 13 2017 08:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I assume this would require republican support https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/874406787293773824

What a constitutional illiterate. He has jack shit to do with appointments of special counsel; the best he can do is aim for an investigatory committee and appoint Mueller, but even then he'd need help for the authorizing resolution.

Not certain what you mean. A cursory read of the wikipedia page suggests that Congress can appoint special counsel, and has before in the Teapot Dome scandal. Presumably Schiff would be referring to a similar process? What am I missing here?

No, Congress passes resolutions for forming things like investigatory committees. It appoints Jack and Shit. He would need to convince his fellow congressmen on the commmittee to support the resolution; Teapot Dome's Kendrick only introduced a resolution that his fellow senators could oppose or support, because you see Congress has no executive power of appointment.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 13 2017 02:57 GMT
#156900
On June 13 2017 11:40 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2017 10:23 LegalLord wrote:
On June 13 2017 09:18 Nevuk wrote:
I feel like 538's approval tracker is a lot better than the individual polls. Also, not sure how 36% means his base is fleeing - they were only estimated to be like 25-30% or so.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

[image loading]

Trump needs to turn his presidency around by doing what we elected him to do. Not play the Russia game and get into Twitter spats, but rework our FP, get rid of NAFTA, make those Obama-era European sycophants piss off, and make life better for the disenfranchised rural folk who voted him in. A good job doesn't start or end with Twitter wars or Russia investigations.

"What we elected him to do?" I thought you were one of those voting not to elect him?

I take the Bernie Sanders approach: we're stuck with him, we didn't want him, but if he's serious about all the FP/trade/infrastructure things he promised, then in that he has my support. If he does stupid things forever, then fuck that.
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