EPTOn June 12 2017 08:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
20 percent voter turnout and like 80 percent approved. so basically 18 percent of country voted and everyone else stayed home.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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20 percent voter turnout and like 80 percent approved. so basically 18 percent of country voted and everyone else stayed home. | ||
KwarK
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On June 12 2017 08:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: 20 percent voter turnout and like 80 percent approved. so basically 18 percent of country voted and everyone else stayed home. Would you turnout for a non binding vote where you know it's going to be a landslide? | ||
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Zambrah
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On June 12 2017 08:24 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: 20 percent voter turnout and like 80 percent approved. so basically 18 percent of country voted and everyone else stayed home. Sounds like they'll fit in just fine. | ||
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Plansix
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Nevuk
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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from the nbc article on it Puerto Rico historically has had high turnout in most elections. This one was unusually low. In the last plebiscite held in 2012, more than 1.9 million voted, and 800,000 chose statehood. In 1993, nearly 2 million Puerto Ricans voted. the island's other two main political parties had pushed for a boycott of the plebiscite, and it showed in the turnout numbers. About 1.3 percent voted for the current commonwealth status and about 1.5 percent voted for independence. compared to 500,000 people voting in total this time. 97 percent for 23 percent turnout. If turnouts different it's because there was a decision to not vote if you were planning on rejecting. but yeah nothing is going to come from this. GOP doesn't want more democrats in congress, same reason why DC still also has taxation without representation. | ||
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zlefin
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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On June 12 2017 08:56 zlefin wrote: I'd say the DC situation is a bit different and more complicated than the puerto rico situation; since I'm not sure you can change the DC situation without an amendment. I'm not an expert but regardless the GOP has no desire to put any effort into either which makes things more difficult | ||
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Danglars
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On June 12 2017 08:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/AP/status/874020406159712256 What you do when you're bankrupt but remember the federal government still has cash (so to speak). | ||
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KwarK
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On June 12 2017 10:18 Danglars wrote: What you do when you're bankrupt but remember the federal government still has cash (so to speak). They're bankrupt because the Federal Government changed the tax advantaged status of the island to push all of the pharmaceutical companies out. https://taxfoundation.org/tax-policy-helped-create-puerto-rico-s-fiscal-crisis/ | ||
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Plansix
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zlefin
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On June 12 2017 11:06 Plansix wrote: Can puerto-rico even sustaine an economy that can support a US standard of living on its own? Tourism only goes so far. Tax breaks seems like the only way it could create a non tourism economy. no it cannot; it's typical wages are simply too far below the standards of the rest of the US. | ||
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Plansix
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Gahlo
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On June 12 2017 11:06 Plansix wrote: Can puerto-rico even sustaine an economy that can support a US standard of living on its own? Tourism only goes so far. Tax breaks seems like the only way it could create a non tourism economy. Does the US even support it's own standard of living? | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
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On June 12 2017 20:07 Gahlo wrote: Does the US even support it's own standard of living? Of course not. That's why there are a bunch of angry people. The minimum wage is enough to barely get by on if you work your ass off and take every bit of overtime and get as many part-time jobs as possible, but it's not nearly enough to live on. Those people are stuck in those jobs, and are forced to put their children into situations that lead to the same life that they had; upward mobility is impossible because the children of those workers are funneled into garbage public school systems and are essentially trained to accept what their parents got as an okay standard of living. | ||
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Plansix
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This is a good assessment of Russian influence over the election. It was extra effective because some people were happy use it to help them. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
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Danglars
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On June 12 2017 20:46 Howie_Dewitt wrote: Of course not. That's why there are a bunch of angry people. The minimum wage is enough to barely get by on if you work your ass off and take every bit of overtime and get as many part-time jobs as possible, but it's not nearly enough to live on. Those people are stuck in those jobs, and are forced to put their children into situations that lead to the same life that they had; upward mobility is impossible because the children of those workers are funneled into garbage public school systems and are essentially trained to accept what their parents got as an okay standard of living. You mean a minority of minimum wage earners get trapped in those jobs and don't just use them as their first job. It should be clear from the proportion of very young people in those jobs that take them and how few are making minimum wage a year later. Talk about corporate welfare and the minority that feel stuck, but don't be absurd about "those people are stuck" and "upward mobility is impossible" unless you're personally a politician running for office. We know from Trump that liars are tolerated. | ||
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