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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 14:22:33
June 08 2017 14:06 GMT
#155941
Comey live now



It's a bit strange how he has to face a wall of photographers during the whole hearing. You'd think that would be distracting for something so serious

oh shit he's already calling the adminstration liars for flaming the FBI after his firing
Neosteel Enthusiast
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1920 Posts
June 08 2017 14:21 GMT
#155942
On June 08 2017 22:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Can't indoctrinate kids with heavy Christianity on public schools now can you


Got to fight for those intellegent design schoolbooks with dinosaurs and humans side by side, declaring the whole field of geology a hoax...
Buff the siegetank
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 08 2017 14:21 GMT
#155943
Wow, unbelievable. Comey with the fireworks
Question.?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 08 2017 14:24 GMT
#155944
I just now joined in. Miss anything good to this point?
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
June 08 2017 14:27 GMT
#155945
That opening statement could not have been more brutal.
Big water
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
June 08 2017 14:29 GMT
#155946
On June 08 2017 23:24 On_Slaught wrote:
I just now joined in. Miss anything good to this point?

Nothing too dramatic. Mostly Comey confirming he believes Russia interfered in the election.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
June 08 2017 14:30 GMT
#155947
On June 08 2017 23:24 On_Slaught wrote:
I just now joined in. Miss anything good to this point?

he's answered more direct questions already than i had expected tbh, i anticipated more 'i can't answer that in an open hearing.'

that said, nothing interesting yet.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 14:32:24
June 08 2017 14:30 GMT
#155948
So to recap:

(1) Trump threatens Comey's job and asks him to back off the Flynn investigation. [Threatening the job may be an interpretation, but it's the only interpretation that's at all reasonable in light of the facts that (a) both Trump and Comey had previously agreed that Comey would continue in his role, and Trump re-opened the topic for no apparent reason; (b) Trump emphasized loyalty again and again; and (c) Trump said that a lot of people would want Comey's job. The consequences of denying Trump's plea to end the Flynn investigation were made plain.]
(2) Comey doesn't back off; Trump fires him.
(3) Trump says on TV that he fired Comey over the investigation.
(4) Trump tells the Russian ambassador that he fired Comey over the investigation.

I find it hard to believe that the bar for obstruction of justice is higher than this.
May the BeSt man win.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 08 2017 14:31 GMT
#155949
lol people saying comey had no bombs to drop after yesterday's transcript
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
June 08 2017 14:32 GMT
#155950
trump twitter is unusually quiet
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 14:33:22
June 08 2017 14:33 GMT
#155951
"The administration then chose to defame me and more importantly the FBI by saying that the organization was in disarray,” Comey said. “That it was poorly led. That the workforce had lost confidence in its leader. Those were lies, plain and simple.”
Neosteel Enthusiast
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 08 2017 14:33 GMT
#155952
On June 08 2017 23:30 Djabanete wrote:
So to recap:

(1) Trump threatens Comey's job and asks him to back off the Flynn investigation. [Threatening the job may be an interpretation, but it's the only interpretation that's at all reasonable in light of the facts that (a) both Trump and Comey had previously agreed that Comey would continue in his role, and Trump re-opened the topic for no apparent reason; (b) Trump emphasized loyalty again and again; and (c) Trump said that a lot of people would want Comey's job. The consequences of denying Trump's plea to end the Flynn investigation were made plain.]
(2) Comey doesn't back off; Trump fires him.
(3) Trump says on TV that he fired Comey over the investigation.
(4) Trump tells the Russian ambassador that he fired Comey over the investigation.

I find it hard to believe that the bar for obstruction of justice is higher than this.

criminal convictions tend to be a lot harder to get than most people think; imho that's part of the point of a 12-person jury; making sure it gets past the threshold for all of them; otherwise individual people are too quick to conclude someone's guilty.

also, partisan blinders make it easy for people to doubt/reinterpret those points enough to fudge the issue.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21691 Posts
June 08 2017 14:33 GMT
#155953
Checking out the testimony and the first thing that comes up is Clinton Emails.

Called it!
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12193 Posts
June 08 2017 14:35 GMT
#155954
Can we piece out what is most likely to be that publicized thing that was nonsense that he just talked about?
No will to live, no wish to die
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 08 2017 14:35 GMT
#155955
Special Counsel Mueller to review whether Trump's conversations with Comey constitute obstruction.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
June 08 2017 14:36 GMT
#155956
On June 08 2017 23:33 Gorsameth wrote:
Checking out the testimony and the first thing that comes up is Clinton Emails.

Called it!

That is about as difficult to call as a Scottish sports show to talk about Andy Murray when he's playing.
passive quaranstream fan
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 08 2017 14:37 GMT
#155957
comey straight up calling trump liar liar pants on fire
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-08 14:39:25
June 08 2017 14:37 GMT
#155958
Comey said he was concerned Trump would lie about the meeting so he had to document lol

he needed to document because of the setting, the subject matter, and the specific person he was talking with. Trump getting straight up burned here

Neosteel Enthusiast
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 08 2017 14:38 GMT
#155959


Not surprised, the fact this is in the congressional record though is nuts
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 08 2017 14:39 GMT
#155960
On June 08 2017 23:37 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Comey said he was concerned Trump would lie about the meeting so he had to document lol


I'm sure Comey's not the only one in government with this concern either.
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