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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
June 02 2017 02:07 GMT
#154601
Hillary Clinton has revealed her true character post election loss, and sadly it's on the same level as Trump. Egotistical, not very self aware. She has a good temperament and can form complete coherent sentences, but her excuse making is on a new level. Even if everything she said about her loss being down to Comey and Russia is true, you don't ever admit that shit. Just take it and continue on. Biden and Sanders can truly connect with the working class voter, so I think they are the dems best chance, either them or a unknown.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:14:51
June 02 2017 02:07 GMT
#154602
If the Accord cannot be renegotiated, then I think a reasonable case could be made for the US to pull out and maybe rejoin under different and better conditions. I'm thinking specifically of the $3B that the US agreed to send to the Green Climate Fund, ostensibly to help other countries reduce their emissions. Emphasis on agreed. If the US changes their mind and the Accord is a voluntary agreement and not a sanction, then I think it could be argued that US should be free to change their minds and let the other countries go their own way. I don't know that the US is obligated to pay for perpetuity except that they decided to do so freely in the first place. Yes, yes 'we are all in this together'- but 'we are in this together' doesn't quite have the same ring when someone is compelled to give money to someone else.

edit.
Now, of course, it might be more headache than it would be worth it. But theoretically, I could understand not wanting to send that money overseas.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
June 02 2017 02:08 GMT
#154603
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
[article continues further]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 02 2017 02:09 GMT
#154604
On June 02 2017 10:59 m4ini wrote:

Show nested quote +
It's also one of the reasons the US desperately needs to review its current student visa program. People from all over the world come to the US, get doctorates in cutting edge fields, and then get deported for not finding a job in their field (barred from taking any jobs outside of their field) fast enough (employer has to sponsor their employment visa when student visa expires, a lot are reluctant to go to that effort). It's insane. It should just be "get a doctorate in one of these fields we think are super valuable from a good university and you get a conditional 5 year green card". Let them work in McDonalds while applying for jobs in their field if need be, just keep them in the country.


I think that's down to the whole education system. It has to compete with the european model which makes it easy(easier) to get a visa and renew it, the tuition is free, you're allowed to work, it's easy to stay after your degree, in regards to engineering etc (obviously different for art majors and what not) it's not that hard to find jobs (and if you don't, you can still stay and get supported until you do).

I wasn't exaggerating earlier when i said that 50% stay after getting their degree in germany. That's an official number. Which i find ridiculously high.

let's not forget that that's a bad thing according to the people on the right. People from abroad getting a degree in the US and staying there means less jobs for americans after all.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 02 2017 02:11 GMT
#154605
On June 02 2017 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 10:59 m4ini wrote:

It's also one of the reasons the US desperately needs to review its current student visa program. People from all over the world come to the US, get doctorates in cutting edge fields, and then get deported for not finding a job in their field (barred from taking any jobs outside of their field) fast enough (employer has to sponsor their employment visa when student visa expires, a lot are reluctant to go to that effort). It's insane. It should just be "get a doctorate in one of these fields we think are super valuable from a good university and you get a conditional 5 year green card". Let them work in McDonalds while applying for jobs in their field if need be, just keep them in the country.


I think that's down to the whole education system. It has to compete with the european model which makes it easy(easier) to get a visa and renew it, the tuition is free, you're allowed to work, it's easy to stay after your degree, in regards to engineering etc (obviously different for art majors and what not) it's not that hard to find jobs (and if you don't, you can still stay and get supported until you do).

I wasn't exaggerating earlier when i said that 50% stay after getting their degree in germany. That's an official number. Which i find ridiculously high.

let's not forget that that's a bad thing according to the people on the right. People from abroad getting a degree in the US and staying there means less jobs for americans after all.


It's kind of a retarded position to hold. Imho.
On track to MA1950A.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 02 2017 02:13 GMT
#154606
On June 02 2017 11:08 Nevuk wrote:
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

Show nested quote +
BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
[article continues further]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html

I honestly don't see much promise in her. She's a little too one-track to really be an effective speaker. And she's certainly no "young up-and-comer" given her fairly advanced age.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 02 2017 02:16 GMT
#154607
On June 02 2017 11:13 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:08 Nevuk wrote:
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
[article continues further]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html

I honestly don't see much promise in her. She's a little too one-track to really be an effective speaker. And she's certainly no "young up-and-comer" given her fairly advanced age.

Never under estimate how much this country hates banks at all times. Especially in this climate.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:18:06
June 02 2017 02:17 GMT
#154608
On June 02 2017 11:13 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:08 Nevuk wrote:
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
[article continues further]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html

I honestly don't see much promise in her. She's a little too one-track to really be an effective speaker. And she's certainly no "young up-and-comer" given her fairly advanced age.

I agree. She's certainly capable of beating Trump, as she has most of Hillary's positives without her massive negatives, but that's true of pretty much any other democratic candidate. I wouldn't favor Warren for two terms.

She's sorta shallow. I would much prefer Bernie to her, but either is probably fine with my politics.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 02 2017 02:17 GMT
#154609
On June 02 2017 11:07 Falling wrote:
If the Accord cannot be renegotiated, then I think a reasonable case could be made for the US to pull out and maybe rejoin under different and better conditions. I'm thinking specifically of the $3B that the US agreed to send to the Green Climate Fund, ostensibly to help other countries reduce their emissions. Emphasis on agreed. If the US changes their mind and the Accord is a voluntary agreement and not a sanction, then I think it could be argued that US should be free to change their minds and let the other countries go their own way. I don't know that the US is obligated to pay for perpetuity except that they decided to do so freely in the first place. Yes, yes 'we are all in this together'- but 'we are in this together' doesn't quite have the same ring when someone is compelled to give money to someone else.

I think a big problem about that is that everyone came together and agreed to some level they're able to chip in depending on what kind of nation we're talking about.
So I can totally understand the position that it should not be renegotiated. If the US gets a better deal that means China might have something to say about doing a bit less as well so that they're not dealing with an unfair burden and the same goes for 200 other nations minus a couple.
I'm obviously talking out of my ass here since I really can't judge how likely that is but there really could be a situation in which a renegotiated Paris accord could be worse than one that doesn't include the US.

On June 02 2017 11:11 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 02 2017 10:59 m4ini wrote:

It's also one of the reasons the US desperately needs to review its current student visa program. People from all over the world come to the US, get doctorates in cutting edge fields, and then get deported for not finding a job in their field (barred from taking any jobs outside of their field) fast enough (employer has to sponsor their employment visa when student visa expires, a lot are reluctant to go to that effort). It's insane. It should just be "get a doctorate in one of these fields we think are super valuable from a good university and you get a conditional 5 year green card". Let them work in McDonalds while applying for jobs in their field if need be, just keep them in the country.


I think that's down to the whole education system. It has to compete with the european model which makes it easy(easier) to get a visa and renew it, the tuition is free, you're allowed to work, it's easy to stay after your degree, in regards to engineering etc (obviously different for art majors and what not) it's not that hard to find jobs (and if you don't, you can still stay and get supported until you do).

I wasn't exaggerating earlier when i said that 50% stay after getting their degree in germany. That's an official number. Which i find ridiculously high.

let's not forget that that's a bad thing according to the people on the right. People from abroad getting a degree in the US and staying there means less jobs for americans after all.


It's kind of a retarded position to hold. Imho.

duh, those are the people you want in your country but a lot of positions this administrations holds are kind of stupid
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:21:07
June 02 2017 02:19 GMT
#154610
On June 02 2017 11:07 biology]major wrote:
Hillary Clinton has revealed her true character post election loss, and sadly it's on the same level as Trump. Egotistical, not very self aware. She has a good temperament and can form complete coherent sentences, but her excuse making is on a new level. Even if everything she said about her loss being down to Comey and Russia is true, you don't ever admit that shit. Just take it and continue on. Biden and Sanders can truly connect with the working class voter, so I think they are the dems best chance, either them or a unknown.

it's nowhere near trump level bad; poor, fine. but at trump level? NO way. none of your points establish that thesis.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:24:27
June 02 2017 02:21 GMT
#154611
On June 02 2017 11:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:07 Falling wrote:
If the Accord cannot be renegotiated, then I think a reasonable case could be made for the US to pull out and maybe rejoin under different and better conditions. I'm thinking specifically of the $3B that the US agreed to send to the Green Climate Fund, ostensibly to help other countries reduce their emissions. Emphasis on agreed. If the US changes their mind and the Accord is a voluntary agreement and not a sanction, then I think it could be argued that US should be free to change their minds and let the other countries go their own way. I don't know that the US is obligated to pay for perpetuity except that they decided to do so freely in the first place. Yes, yes 'we are all in this together'- but 'we are in this together' doesn't quite have the same ring when someone is compelled to give money to someone else.

I think a big problem about that is that everyone came together and agreed to some level they're able to chip in depending on what kind of nation we're talking about.
So I can totally understand the position that it should not be renegotiated. If the US gets a better deal that means China might have something to say about doing a bit less as well so that they're not dealing with an unfair burden and the same goes for 200 other nations minus a couple.
I'm obviously talking out of my ass here since I really can't judge how likely that is but there really could be a situation in which a renegotiated Paris accord could be worse than one that doesn't include the US.

Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:11 m4ini wrote:
On June 02 2017 11:09 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 02 2017 10:59 m4ini wrote:

It's also one of the reasons the US desperately needs to review its current student visa program. People from all over the world come to the US, get doctorates in cutting edge fields, and then get deported for not finding a job in their field (barred from taking any jobs outside of their field) fast enough (employer has to sponsor their employment visa when student visa expires, a lot are reluctant to go to that effort). It's insane. It should just be "get a doctorate in one of these fields we think are super valuable from a good university and you get a conditional 5 year green card". Let them work in McDonalds while applying for jobs in their field if need be, just keep them in the country.


I think that's down to the whole education system. It has to compete with the european model which makes it easy(easier) to get a visa and renew it, the tuition is free, you're allowed to work, it's easy to stay after your degree, in regards to engineering etc (obviously different for art majors and what not) it's not that hard to find jobs (and if you don't, you can still stay and get supported until you do).

I wasn't exaggerating earlier when i said that 50% stay after getting their degree in germany. That's an official number. Which i find ridiculously high.

let's not forget that that's a bad thing according to the people on the right. People from abroad getting a degree in the US and staying there means less jobs for americans after all.


It's kind of a retarded position to hold. Imho.

duh, those are the people you want in your country but a lot of positions this administrations holds are kind of stupid


It's american snowflakism, that's about it. Europe pays $4.7b and doesn't seem to explode because of it. In fact, how many billions did trump pledge to the "depleted US military"? You have to put those $3b into perspective.

Not to mention that china would certainly block any renegotiation, why would they agree? They're in the best position they could be in, why would they compromise the gift that Trump made them?

edit: i'd like to see Sanders president, mainly because i think he'd be doing a considerably better job and improve international relationships, but i wonder if he's not too old by now. He has more of a grandpa vibe than a presidential one.
On track to MA1950A.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 02 2017 02:23 GMT
#154612
On June 02 2017 10:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
She has no experience, that's why I'm hoping Clinton runs for Mayor of New York so she can at least satisfy her ego for the well being of the country. So it's leaning towards Biden, Sanders, and maybe even Jerry Brown of California.

Only looking for retreads, eh?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 02 2017 02:25 GMT
#154613
On June 02 2017 11:08 Nevuk wrote:
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

Show nested quote +
BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
[article continues further]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article153446694.html

Fauxcahontas isn't going to win a national election. The GOP isn't worried about her.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 02 2017 02:25 GMT
#154614
Disney CEO Bob Iger has announced that he’s stepping down from a White House advisory council following President Donald Trump’s Thursday announcement that he plans to pull the U.S. out of the Paris climate accord.

“As a matter of principle, I’ve resigned from the President’s Council over the #ParisAgreement withdrawal,” he tweeted.

Iger’s announcement comes just a couple of hours after Elon Musk also revealed that he’s resigning from the council due to the decision.

Disney later issued a longer statement from Iger. “Protecting our planet and driving economic growth are critical to our future, and they aren’t mutually exclusive. I deeply disagree with the decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement and, as a matter of principle, I’ve resigned from the President’s advisory council.”

The official name of the group was the President’s Strategic and Policy Forum, and it included an array of CEOs from across industries, including Mary Barra of General Motors and Jamie Dimon of JPMorgan Chase. Stephen A. Schwarzman, the co-founder of Blackstone, serves as chairman.


Iger, who gave money to Hillary Clinton during the campaign, faced some criticism for his participation. Asked about it at Disney’s shareholders meeting in March, he said that it was “an opportunity for me to express views that I think … are of value to the company and its shareholders.” He said that it was important to have a seat at the table, and that his participation did not reflect an endorsement of Trump’s positions or that of the administration. Iger has previously been a champion of issues like immigration reform, while Trump ran against it.

Travis Kalanick, CEO of Uber, also was a member of the forum, and he initially argued that it was important to have a seat at the table. But he resigned in February, in the wake of Trump’s initial executive order restricting travel from a number of Muslim-majority countries.

In announcing his decision, Trump said that the Paris accord was a bad deal for the United States that would hurt American workers.

“I will work to ensure that America remains the world’s leader on environmental issues, but under a framework that is fair and where the burdens and responsibilities are equally shared among the many nations all around the world,” Trump said.

But a number of business leaders urged him to stay in the agreement. CEOs like Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, General Electric’s Jeffrey Immelt and Goldman Sachs’ Lloyd Blankfein criticized Trump’s decision.


Source
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
June 02 2017 02:26 GMT
#154615
They should put up Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. Female war vet would be an autowin
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:27:13
June 02 2017 02:27 GMT
#154616
On June 02 2017 11:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:13 LegalLord wrote:
On June 02 2017 11:08 Nevuk wrote:
For some reason the GOP is terrified of Warren:

BOSTON
Republicans are getting a jump on Elizabeth Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign.

The Massachusetts Democrat is preparing to run for re-election to the Senate in 2018 and hasn’t said yet whether she’ll challenge President Donald Trump for the White House. But in-state and national Republican officials have decided to target the liberal icon anyway, saying they will try to inflict enough damage during the Senate race to harm any future presidential effort — and perhaps dissuade her from running altogether.

Already, one national Republican group has begun a comprehensive effort to track Warren’s every public appearance and add to a dossier of unflattering research on her. Other GOP officials predict that even in deep-blue Massachusetts, the senator’s opponents could raise gobs of money from conservatives nationwide and even benefit from the attention of Trump.

The goal is more about weakening Warren than defeating her: Republicans doubt that any of their party’s likely candidates could topple her next year. But even with the next presidential election more than three years away, they say exposing her weaknesses now — or making sure her race is closer than expected — could do lasting damage.

“We learned from our experience with Secretary (Hillary) Clinton that when you start earlier, the narratives have more time to sink in and resonate with the electorate,” said Colin Reed, executive director at the Republican outside group America Rising.

Reed’s group launched an effort in April to catalog and promote Warren’s mistakes, announcing that it would try to defeat the senator during next year’s race while also trying to “continue developing the long-term research and communications angles to damage her 2020 prospects.”

Republicans say that’s only the beginning.
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I honestly don't see much promise in her. She's a little too one-track to really be an effective speaker. And she's certainly no "young up-and-comer" given her fairly advanced age.

Never under estimate how much this country hates banks at all times. Especially in this climate.


Interesting thing is how banks even seem pretty hated by the right, as they are seen as the tentacles of globalism. Warren is somewhat of an SJW, so they'd hate that.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 02 2017 02:27 GMT
#154617
On June 02 2017 11:26 Nyxisto wrote:
They should put up Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. Female war vet would be an autowin

She's a little out there, but I do kinda like her - perhaps not for president but she's quite interesting. The DNC hates her though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 02 2017 02:28 GMT
#154618
On June 02 2017 11:07 biology]major wrote:
Hillary Clinton has revealed her true character post election loss, and sadly it's on the same level as Trump. Egotistical, not very self aware. She has a good temperament and can form complete coherent sentences, but her excuse making is on a new level. Even if everything she said about her loss being down to Comey and Russia is true, you don't ever admit that shit. Just take it and continue on. Biden and Sanders can truly connect with the working class voter, so I think they are the dems best chance, either them or a unknown.


Trump is on his own level there.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-02 02:30:30
June 02 2017 02:29 GMT
#154619
On June 02 2017 11:27 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2017 11:26 Nyxisto wrote:
They should put up Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. Female war vet would be an autowin

She's a little out there, but I do kinda like her - perhaps not for president but she's quite interesting. The DNC hates her though.


That's not necessarily a bad thing/indicator. After watching the last election, i'm more wary of the people that the DNC endorses, rather than the ones they don't like.

edit:

With Bob Iger a philanthropist leaves the council, that certainly will help. I do understand Musk and Iger, but it's a bit of a short sighted protest - it frees up space for all the bannons out there.
On track to MA1950A.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
June 02 2017 02:30 GMT
#154620
On June 02 2017 11:26 Nyxisto wrote:
They should put up Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. Female war vet would be an autowin

Nah, she's considered a traitor to the Democratic party establishment. Maybe they'll pin Russian agent on her too.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
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