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Danglars
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On May 31 2017 04:16 Gorsameth wrote: Then perhaps states shouldn't be spending hundreds of millions of dollars on primaries? Not like the parties have a shortage of money to go around. I'm just trying to set the record straight on the facts. You say government doesn't care, but it definitely does currently. I'd support other state movements to lower costs and transfer burden, but really I'm a California resident and the political will in my state to change just doesn't exist. | ||
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ragz_gt
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On May 31 2017 03:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Well to his credit, Pence is certainly one of the more level-headed and calm speakers out of the Republicans in charge... although that bar is *really* low right now. And he's dodged most of the drama and controversy and scandal that has been stirred up from every other person affiliated with Trump right now. Pence is as good a choice as any to try and bring reassurance to red states. Calm maybe, level-headed is not a word used to describe Pence all that much. | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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On May 31 2017 04:55 ragz_gt wrote: Calm maybe, level-headed is not a word used to describe Pence all that much. Pence is heavily implicated in Trump/Russia affairs as well. He was the head of the transition team. | ||
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Gahlo
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On May 31 2017 01:54 Grumbels wrote: You are really grasping with your resistance to these arguments. If I put into law a literacy test designed so whites have a higher pass rate, and then bragged this would disenfranchise black people, would you defend this as a neutral policy? He'd see nothing wrong with it, because the intent isn't in the parameters of the test. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 31 2017 04:55 TheLordofAwesome wrote: Why do closed primaries exist, anyways? My understanding of the history maybe out of order, but there was always a fear of either party “spoiling” the others primary. Since incumbents don’t normally have to worry about primaries, there was this fear that the party in power would send people to vote in the opposition parties primary and vote for the “weakest candidate”. The closed primaries were designed to make sure people didn’t’ sign up last minute to impact the results. I don’t know if these fears ever manifested into any real. I have never found any specific election that people point to as a reason for closed primaries. But the primary system in the US started in the earl 1900s and we had some weird theories about political tactics back then. But like much of politics, we were sort of making it up as we went. The primary system is a result of 50 states all doing their own thing. Then someone figured out how to game that system that resulted. And now we have super Tuesday. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On May 31 2017 04:55 Danglars wrote: I'm just trying to set the record straight on the facts. You say government doesn't care, but it definitely does currently. I'd support other state movements to lower costs and transfer burden, but really I'm a California resident and the political will in my state to change just doesn't exist. Yeah I forgot about state costs  | ||
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IgnE
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On May 31 2017 04:05 zlefin wrote: ok, now you're openly trolling; since it's been well documented and proven by now that the voter ID requirements are not done to actually fix a real problem. you're just engaging in blatant misrepresentation and outright lying, hence, you are a troll. and you're equating two things which were not actually equated, so you're also strawmanning. stop trolling and try being constructive, people like oyu give republicans a worse name than they already have. danglars supports expanding the issuance of state ids to the disenfranchised with public money. doesn't that make you the troll strawmanning him about trying to take away the right to vote now? | ||
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TheLordofAwesome
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I'm really liking Macron so far on foreign affairs. | ||
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Plansix
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On May 31 2017 05:37 TheLordofAwesome wrote: So, what do the avid readers and defenders of I'm really liking Macron so far on foreign affairs. I didn’t think it was that impressive until read the full article and found out he was on stage with Putin at the time. That part was pretty stunning. I never thought I would see a French leader have a strong stance on Russia than our own President, but here we are. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On May 31 2017 05:17 Plansix wrote: My understanding of the history maybe out of order, but there was always a fear of either party “spoiling” the others primary. Since incumbents don’t normally have to worry about primaries, there was this fear that the party in power would send people to vote in the opposition parties primary and vote for the “weakest candidate”. The closed primaries were designed to make sure people didn’t’ sign up last minute to impact the results. I don’t know if these fears ever manifested into any real. I have never found any specific election that people point to as a reason for closed primaries. But the primary system in the US started in the earl 1900s and we had some weird theories about political tactics back then. But like much of politics, we were sort of making it up as we went. The primary system is a result of 50 states all doing their own thing. Then someone figured out how to game that system that resulted. And now we have super Tuesday. Even beyond spoiling with people voting for their preferred candidate, in an abstract sense does it make sense for Republican party voters to select the Democratic nominee for the president for the United States? Because of the nature of the electoral system and the office of the President, it sort of makes sense for independents and Green Party members I guess, but in the abstract it's bizarre. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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On May 31 2017 06:05 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I think Ann Coulter is not a conservative but an opportunist trafficking in professional outrage. Even so, I have no idea why she would say this. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/869074858805800960 Of course she is that is how she sells books. You can set your watch by her as if she isn't in the news and a book is being worked she needs/will say something to put back in the spotlight. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States601 Posts
On May 31 2017 06:05 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I think Ann Coulter is not a conservative but an opportunist trafficking in professional outrage. Even so, I have no idea why she would say this. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/869074858805800960 What if all of these people are just soviet sleeper cells that have been working their way into the fabric of every day american life just waiting for a signal to start their work to bring down the U.S. #paranoidrant | ||
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Plansix
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On May 31 2017 06:05 TheLordofAwesome wrote: I think Ann Coulter is not a conservative but an opportunist trafficking in professional outrage. Even so, I have no idea why she would say this. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/869074858805800960 I also question why she decided to quote that specific tweet in connection to Russia. This is all really confusing. | ||
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