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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:19 ShoCkeyy wrote: In FL you need an ID to vote. Every time I vote, I need to bring my ID. But if you forget your ID, you will be provided with a provisional ballot. https://www.rockthevote.com/get-informed/elections/voter-id-requirements/state/?referrer=https://www.google.com/ I just found this and it is a pretty no-nonsense guide to the requirements of each state. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote: I'm really surprised this isn't something both sides of the aisle can't find a solution to. Want to be sure no voter fraud? Require some special state ID. Certain groups significantly less likely to actually get their shit together to get an ID? Make it automatic and have the state pick up the tab in the form of some insignificantly small property tax. I imagine conservatives would not mind spending like $10 over the course of a year to just iron this shit out and move on. Where do you find your optimism, and can I have some? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23848 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote: I'm really surprised this isn't something both sides of the aisle can't find a solution to. Want to be sure no voter fraud? Require some special state ID. Certain groups significantly less likely to actually get their shit together to get an ID? Make it automatic and have the state pick up the tab in the form of some insignificantly small property tax. I imagine conservatives would not mind spending like $10 over the course of a year to just iron this shit out and move on. This was the obvious solution from the jump, that would be if election integrity was the reason they wanted the ID's. It's not. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote: I'm really surprised this isn't something both sides of the aisle can't find a solution to. Want to be sure no voter fraud? Require some special state ID. Certain groups significantly less likely to actually get their shit together to get an ID? Make it automatic and have the state pick up the tab in the form of some insignificantly small property tax. I imagine conservatives would not mind spending like $10 over the course of a year to just iron this shit out and move on. Voter ID laws have been passed in ~25 states, why do you think this has never been implemented? Further, why do you think they require birth certificates and other printed only materials that distant bureaucracies may or may not have? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote: I'm really surprised this isn't something both sides of the aisle can't find a solution to. Want to be sure no voter fraud? Require some special state ID. Certain groups significantly less likely to actually get their shit together to get an ID? Make it automatic and have the state pick up the tab in the form of some insignificantly small property tax. I imagine conservatives would not mind spending like $10 over the course of a year to just iron this shit out and move on. I think the Democrats would be well served to push for a national voter ID law and funding to support it. I don’t think you would see a lot of support from rank and file Republicans in congress. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On May 31 2017 00:15 Danglars wrote: With no way of truly quantifying fraudulent votes in this nation (apart from states that have voter id laws) we run into underreported problems. Just because, say 100 people were cited for jaywalking in LA mean that only 100 actually jaywalked? Michigan has their poll challenger programs which you can look into. North Carolina had increased black voter turnout after a voter ID law was passed. Anyways, verifying the integrity of the vote is a noble end in itself. Not an issue who cares if only x murders are committed in our city, they're not worth investigating administrative and legislative solutions. We have never actually needed our ID to vote in NC. All the laws were struck down as unconstitutional. | ||
KwarK
United States43869 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:19 Piledriver wrote: How does voter verification happen? Is it biometric? They mail out postcards with your registration on them. You just bring the postcard with you. | ||
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brian
United States9639 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:37 Plansix wrote: I think the Democrats would be well served to push for a national voter ID law and funding to support it. I don’t think you would see a lot of support from rank and file Republicans in congress. GH already touched on this, but it's not happening because it's not an actual problem (voter fraud that is, not the racism//fight against the poor.) dems have no need to die on this hill, combating voter fraud isn't on the top of anyone's political wishlist. and the right would never even consider trying to push this kind of solution. i mean, RAISE TAXES to help empower people that would on average vote AGAINST them? fuck themselves twice over? in what world.. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I kind of wish that all candidates for all positions would be required to submit something akin to a bio sheet to be either mailed within a pamphlet or posted on official election websites. Most people don't bother to do their research because it's disincentivized by the way voting works. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:45 brian wrote: GH already touched on this, but it's not happening because it's not an actual problem (voter fraud that is, not the racism//fight against the poor.) dems have no need to die on this hill, combating voter fraud isn't on the top of anyone's political wishlist. and the right would never even consider trying to push this kind of solution. i mean, RAISE TAXES to help empower people that would on average vote AGAINST them? fuck themselves twice over? in what world.. Of course it isn’t a problem. Voter fraud doesn’t happen at the ballot box. But the GOP has been selling this fiction for well over a decade and we are to the point there some of them are claiming 3 million illegal votes were cast. At some point the democrats need to give up and accept no amount of evidence is going to convincing. But even if the law existed, it would be challenged instantly and litigated until the end of time. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've always wondered about automatic voter registration... is there any reason (beyond partisan stances) we couldn't do it similar to the way we do auto draft registration? When I turned 18, I got a letter saying "you're registered for the draft, yay!" It seems pretty simple to just say if Person.Age >=18 but I assume there's something I'm missing. How do you determine party preference to know eligibility to vote in closed primaries? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:19 Piledriver wrote: How does voter verification happen? Is it biometric? It just simply doesn't happen. You simply state your name and address at the polling station. BTW Kwark, it's a misconception that you need the voter poll card. It literally says in bold "You do not need to take this card with you to vote." Duplicates I presume are simply discounted and investigated. Voter fraud is so small that most people accept that to change it to needing an ID would unduly take away the voting rights of the poorest in society. Not everyone has a passport and not everyone drives, especially in cities. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10873 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:43 KwarK wrote: They mail out postcards with your registration on them. You just bring the postcard with you. Basically same in Switzerland. You drop or send the "postcard" back with the rest. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:19 Danglars wrote: I can't even get nonprescription allergy medicine without my photo ID. Beer, airports, some city buildings I better have brought it ... voting nope. which kind of allergy meds? sudafed i'd guess? those rules make a lot of sense; pretty clear need in that case. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:22 Danglars wrote: Do you personally consider that law prejudicial and discriminatory towards poor blacks? You are really grasping with your resistance to these arguments. If I put into law a literacy test designed so whites have a higher pass rate, and then bragged this would disenfranchise black people, would you defend this as a neutral policy? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:46 LegalLord wrote: I vote by mail these days. Logistically less annoying for me and gives me some time to actually read up on the candidates. I kind of wish that all candidates for all positions would be required to submit something akin to a bio sheet to be either mailed within a pamphlet or posted on official election websites. Most people don't bother to do their research because it's disincentivized by the way voting works. I strongly agree with having a bio sheet/resume. and i'd like those sheets to be available at all polling stations so if I show up and there's people on the ballot I don't know about I have something to look at other than their names and party affiliations. | ||
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KwarK
United States43869 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:50 Danglars wrote: How do you determine party preference to know eligibility to vote in closed primaries? Closed primaries aren't anything to do with the government. A party is a private organization run by its members. They can let non citizens etc vote in the primary if it pleases them. There's no reason for the state to be involved in that. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 31 2017 01:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: We have never actually needed our ID to vote in NC. All the laws were struck down as unconstitutional. It was a law on the books for the 2014 election and turnout increased. It wasn't struck down before implementation. | ||
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