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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
February 23 2017 23:27 GMT
#139101
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 07:58 Sermokala wrote:
I can respect what putin did and the people who want a leader like him but I think every warm blooded american can agree that he has more then overstayed his time at the top of his country and should have handed it off to others by now. His attacks on his opposition in russia make Trump relatively par for the course.

For all intents and purposes it does appear that Putin intends to allow a set of democratic institutions to develop naturally in Russia. There are at least 3 possible candidates within Putin's cabinet who are popular enough to be elected, a fair few outside as well. He may be leaving in 2018, depending on how things go. In all likelihood he will not (it's just not quite stable enough for that, although by election time it very well could be) but if not, 2024 is definitely the end of his presidency for good.

Truth is that in times of crisis you may just need to keep a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

18 years is a long time, let alone a ridiculous 24 years. FDR only was in power for 12 years before his death.

What really worries me about Putin's regime is the consolidation of media under increased control from the state as well as the harm that has happened to some of the regime's dissenters.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42558 Posts
February 23 2017 23:29 GMT
#139102
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

Wait, you think FDR led America to the end of WWII?
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 23 2017 23:29 GMT
#139103
On February 24 2017 08:27 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
On February 24 2017 07:58 Sermokala wrote:
I can respect what putin did and the people who want a leader like him but I think every warm blooded american can agree that he has more then overstayed his time at the top of his country and should have handed it off to others by now. His attacks on his opposition in russia make Trump relatively par for the course.

For all intents and purposes it does appear that Putin intends to allow a set of democratic institutions to develop naturally in Russia. There are at least 3 possible candidates within Putin's cabinet who are popular enough to be elected, a fair few outside as well. He may be leaving in 2018, depending on how things go. In all likelihood he will not (it's just not quite stable enough for that, although by election time it very well could be) but if not, 2024 is definitely the end of his presidency for good.

Truth is that in times of crisis you may just need to keep a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

18 years is a long time, let alone a ridiculous 24 years. FDR only was in power for 12 years before his death.

What really worries me about Putin's regime is the consolidation of media under increased control from the state as well as the harm that has happened to some of the regime's dissenters.

Without going into too much detail since this is going well into the territory of domestic issues of a foreign country... those problems aren't nearly as bad as American news would lead you to believe they are.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 23 2017 23:38 GMT
#139104
“I agree with everything that everyone said.”

When he uttered those words a little over an hour into a recent 10-person panel of candidates competing to lead the Democratic National Committee, Jaime Harrison, head of the South Carolina party, spoke the essential truth of the Baltimore gathering. Everyone agreed with everything everyone else said, even if, and perhaps especially when, it was about everything Democrats had ever done wrong in 2016.

And even if “everyone” didn’t exactly mean everyone — more like, anyone who’s anyone in the balkanized post-2016 Democratic leadership — “everyone” had agreed to speak about those missteps in fundamentally platitudinous terms: “talking less and listening more,” “returning to a 50-state strategy,” and “harnessing moral outrage.” No candidates actually debated one another, just applauded the points of their peers and built off them, English lit seminar-style.

The evening panel came at the end of a long Saturday billed as a “DNC Future Forum,” filled with people wearing suits and doing their best Obama impression into microphones, and yet, surprisingly, it was well-attended. Perhaps that’s because the race for DNC chair, culminating in a vote this Saturday, has become the closest thing to a group-therapy session that the Democratic Party can muster, a safe space to repeat the new self-flagellating conventional wisdoms of the day and try to heal. They flubbed it, everyone concedes. Went up for the easy layup and missed while Donald Trump simultaneously pantsed them.

Harrison’s succinct expression of this particular moment for the party had come in response to a question from the audience — how would the new chair get the party past the aroused “passion” of some in the base against some in the establishment? When the top contenders for the DNC job, Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota and former Labor Secretary Tom Perez, had their chance to answer, they took the opportunity to reach for the same metaphor — a family tiff.

“A party without passion is not a party,” Perez said. “When I hear passion, it reminds me of Thanksgiving dinner at my house.”

Ellison agreed. “We are all friends up here,” he said. “This is a family meeting.” To prove his point of goodwill, the congressman singled out the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Pete Buttigieg, one of the top dogs of the underdog candidates and whom the moderator had earlier referred to as “Robert.” “That cat is really articulate!” Ellison kvelled.

The love-fest had more than a little to do with the performative nature the typically insider election has developed. Only 447 people vote for DNC chair, but this year, the party and the candidates have used the race to project to the base a realization that they’ve done wrong and are looking to make it right. As a good politician knows, people like to have their problems both recognized and solved in the same breath, so the Democrats have avoided publicly tussling with the more entrenched issues they face, choosing instead to stick to safe applause lines.

And yet the larger, systemic problems of the party loom, noted in speeches but nearly always as part of a litany of vague injustices or complicated questions to be tackled. Many of these questions are crucial to the Democrats’ future, but concrete plans for answering them haven’t been much talked about, at least in public. They’ll need to be, since some of the strategic paths forward for the party might end up being diametrically opposed to one another in practice. Consider, for instance: Should the party broaden its big tent to try to bring in more white voters without college degrees? Move away from identity politics issues to focus on a populist economic message and a tougher stance on immigration? Or should it double down on support from its traditional voters, trying to fix its black turnout problem in the post-Obama era and cater more to the progressive, Bernie Sanders-inclined youth vote? What about the party’s structural problems — gerrymandering, self-sorting, the decline of unions, corporate money working against them on the state level?

These are not the things politicians want to talk about openly — strategy, messaging, the helplessness of watching Democratic votes slip away in a battle of lines crookedly drawn on maps. These are problems whose effects are little felt in a voter’s everyday life. But if they can’t be tackled at this time of unprecedented soul searching in the party, in a campaign to lead the Democrats’ logistical hub, when will they be, one wonders. Speeches and marching alone won’t solve things.

On Saturday, DNC members will decide who gets to take a crack at the morass of problems that is the Democratic Party organization post-2016. And if you look hard enough at the players in a campaign overwhelmed by cliché and nodding agreement, you can find some differences between them: Ellison, a virtuoso campaigner and television natural, promises to provide the party with a megaphone for a message of economic solidarity with the working class, and Perez, the Obama bureaucrat, promises principled progressivism with the gloss of organizational culture change. Among the rest, Buttigieg, recently endorsed by former DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and two state party leaders, Harrison and Sally Boynton Brown (she is the executive director of the Idaho Democratic Party), have the best shot.

Meet Keith Ellison

The day of the candidate forum at Baltimore’s convention center, “Team Tom” and Mayor Pete’s “happy warriors” marched through the halls wearing blue, while Ellison supporters carried Shepard Fairey-esque depictions of their candidate after donning green kits; differentiation, if only by one tick over on the color spectrum, seemed necessary given the candidates’ largely identical political beliefs.

The commotion, it became clear, was a roving Potemkin village of sorts, largely for the benefit of the press. Most of the people filling the hallways were affiliated with the campaigns, while actual DNC voters were rare birds — about 70 made it to the forum, according to the organizers — who sat inside the ballroom listening to speakers or a floor below, eating sandwiches in dark corners to avoid the marching people wearing T-shirts.

The actual grass-roots support could be found at a midday Ellison rally, where local Democratic die-hards packed the room as “I Won’t Back Down” played.

“We’ve got to move things ahead,” said Nancy Newman, a Baltimore resident. She said Ellison’s endorsements from the party’s progressive stalwarts were a big reason that she’s supporting him: “Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and I’m a longtime reader of the Nation magazine.”

What does Ellison propose? A 50-state strategy; listening to the grass roots; better candidate recruitment; more effective organizing.

His of-the-people brand is probably the most intuitive pick for a party that’s been pummeled with post-election accusations that it relied too heavily on targeted messaging and data-driven consultants while losing touch with the needs of non-coastal Americans. Establishment types like New York Sen. Chuck Schumer have endorsed his bid as well, though, in part because of what he can do in front of a crowd, a talent that was on full display in Baltimore.

“I am not afraid to say that I care about poor people,” Ellison told the roaring rally minutes after sneaking in, dressed to type in plaid shirtsleeves. “The rich people have a party — the Democratic Party needs to be the party of the working people.”

The DNC chair has typically focused on fundraising and helped to coordinate campaign strategy throughout the states, but the position’s highest-profile role is in overseeing the party’s presidential nomination process. Ellison’s bid to be chair relies heavily on the notion that after losing the White House and majorities in Congress, the Democrats need a powerful spokesperson for their messages wherever they can get it, a figure who’s out on the front lines and in front of cameras.

“If I am your DNC chair,” Ellison started to say at one point, only to be interrupted by a voice in the crowd shouting, “When!” — which got a chuckle from the podium. “When,” he repeated gamely. “The working people of the United States will never ever doubt that the Democratic Party stands on their side.”

Meet Tom Perez

A couple of doors down from the Ellison rally, Team Tom in their uniform blues held a more sedate lunch-hour event, where volunteers snacked on pre-packaged meals at round tables. When he arrived, Perez talked Trump — “We see every day the spectacle of carnage and chaos that is Donald Trump” — and enthusiastically thanked familiar faces.

Later, I caught up with a hoarse Perez in a quiet room filled with aides staring into devices. He seemed tired, doubly so when asked about his labeling in this election as an establishment candidate.

“I’ve seldom heard of the United Farm Workers as an establishment organization,” he said edgily, referring to a union that has endorsed him. “That’s an interesting take.”

But endorsements from the likes of former Vice President Joe Biden and derision from Sanders as a representative of “a failed status-quo approach” have, fairly or not, saddled Perez with a certain narrative in the race. It’s a mantle that the former civil rights attorney wears uneasily but might help him win.

What does Perez propose? A 50-state strategy; listening to the grass roots; better candidate recruitment; more effective organizing.

But his differentiating pitch is that he’ll focus on organizational change at the troubled DNC, and that could prove appealing to the insider voters. Last week, Perez’s team said he was nearing the 224 votes needed to clinch the race in the first round (Ellison called the count “unverifiable”).

“We need someone who’s also a turnaround specialist because we’ve got to change the culture of the DNC,” Perez said. “That’s what I did at the Labor Department.” He is one candidate who has taken a particular stand on Republican efforts to add more stringent voting requirements, calling for the creation of what he called “a voter protection and empowerment unit” within the DNC. But this message of playing “both offense and defense on one of the most important aspects of our democracy, protecting and expanding the right to vote for all eligible voters,” is not an explicit part of Perez’s public-facing on-the-stump persona. For better or worse, it’s not the sort of issue that gets rooms of people to cheer.

Meet the DNC voters

“One of the questions I asked one of the candidates is if he thought he was running for chair of the DNC or chair of the Democratic Party,” Frank Leone, a DNC voter from Arlington, Virginia, said after the Saturday night panel. “I think the public has this view that this is the Democratic Party chair and so they’re interested in big issues — ‘what are you going to do about Trump?’”

Leone is right. The campaign has become in large part about a public validation of the Democratic base’s feelings of frustration, but actual DNC voters are casting their ballots with more nuance in mind.

“The chair is a spokesman for the party,” Leone said, “but a lot of it is: ‘How are you going to work with us as DNC members? What are you going to challenge us to do? What are you going to do to build our state party? How are you going to fight for voter protection?’” Those issues “might be a little obtuse,” Leone said, but they are important to DNC members.

“Gerrymandering is terrible for many reasons,” Ohio Democratic Party Chairman David Pepper said over the phone recently. “But people don’t consider how much it kills a party trying to fill a bench, but candidates won’t and can’t do it because the seats are unwinnable.”

Michigan party Chairman Brandon Dillon said he hoped to see what many DNC members seem to be talking about — an authentic move to decentralize power from Washington to the states. “I would personally like to see the DNC chair focus on not necessarily being the lead spokesperson for the Democrats but really implementing and executing this plan to get more resources to the states to allow us to do the grass-roots, precinct-level organizing that we need to do to overcome some of this, to win governor’s offices in 2018, which will help with redistricting,” he said.

That’s the delicate balance of the race — presenting an outward front of populism for the base and a more nuanced managerial message to the voting party apparatchiks. It is one of the first tests of how involved the disillusioned faithful will be with the reimagining of the party. How will the grass-roots anger that spurred on the Women’s Marches and town-hall protests sustain itself and translate into local-level efforts? Is the present political moment simply just noise therapy — sound and fury ultimately signifying nothing? Or the messy beginnings of reshaping a party that is badly wounded?

Only time will tell. The Democrats are still in campaign mode, though, and this time, they’re trying to win back the like-minded. For now, they seem to have agreed that the platitudes will have to suffice.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-dnc-race-turned-into-a-group-therapy-session/
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 23 2017 23:41 GMT
#139105
On February 24 2017 08:29 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

Wait, you think FDR led America to the end of WWII?


well its not like he decided to leave the clean up to Truman.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
February 23 2017 23:46 GMT
#139106
I don't think there is a credible alternative for putin right now,he is the one holding it all together. Getting elected is not enough,you also need to have the authority or it might fall back into chaos.
The rusian people love him and that is what matters. If we like him and his policys or not is not that important.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 23 2017 23:51 GMT
#139107
The Russians that don't like him seem to have stopped voicing their discontent.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42558 Posts
February 23 2017 23:51 GMT
#139108
On February 24 2017 08:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 08:29 KwarK wrote:
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

Wait, you think FDR led America to the end of WWII?


well its not like he decided to leave the clean up to Truman.

Certainly didn't see things through. Didn't even set Truman up to properly succeed him when his health started to fail. He just got sick, neglected his responsibilities and died, leaving the end of the war and the postwar global settlement without any real American leadership. Half of Europe fell under totalitarian rule because FDR couldn't see things through.

Like honestly, that specific example being picked has to be trolling. Nobody is as stupid as LL pretends to be sometimes.
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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:58:31
February 23 2017 23:54 GMT
#139109
On February 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 08:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On February 24 2017 08:29 KwarK wrote:
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

Wait, you think FDR led America to the end of WWII?


well its not like he decided to leave the clean up to Truman.

Certainly didn't see things through. Didn't even set Truman up to properly succeed him when his health started to fail. He just got sick, neglected his responsibilities and died, leaving the end of the war and the postwar global settlement without any real American leadership. Half of Europe fell under totalitarian rule because FDR couldn't see things through.

Like honestly, that specific example being picked has to be trolling. Nobody is as stupid as LL pretends to be sometimes.


I doubt there was an alternative to be honest. The military situation was like that and the ussr would not have drawn back voluntarily.
The only alternative I can see is another war right after ww2 which would have been impossible to win for the usa anyway.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 23:56:14
February 23 2017 23:55 GMT
#139110
Was talking about the economic recovery and restructuring of the US economy with FDR. Fuck if I know why Kwark instantaneously assumed I was talking about WWII.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 23 2017 23:56 GMT
#139111
Imagine the rage coming from the right if this story had occurred with Hillary as president.

The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The direct communications between the White House and the FBI were unusual because of decade-old restrictions on such contacts. Such a request from the White House is a violation of procedures that limit communications with the FBI on pending investigations.


CNN
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 23 2017 23:59 GMT
#139112
On February 24 2017 07:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 07:22 Danglars wrote:
On February 24 2017 06:43 LegalLord wrote:
On February 24 2017 06:03 On_Slaught wrote:
Hey xDaunt\Danglars, are you tired of winning yet?

Only been 5 weeks, they need to win a while longer before it starts to be a problem.

Repeal and Replace might be enough to push it over. Then I'll legitimately have very few more campaign promises to expect fulfilled. Just the wall. Win weariness could set in at that point. But first he'll have to cajole, bribe, threaten, and otherwise bully congressional Republicans to unite behind any one of the great plans out there ... his second big test.

He's already done so much on the govt culture/discourse part that maybe I should count it his third big test.

Suppose it's good that your concerns were small enough that they could all be resolved in 5 weeks.

My concerns about the leadership of the nation are another thing entirely. Campaign promises delivered is what might make me tired of winning, and they've been proceeding apace.

And did you even read the context for the mention of "five weeks?" You said the opposite.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 00:03:24
February 24 2017 00:00 GMT
#139113
On February 24 2017 08:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the rage coming from the right if this story had occurred with Hillary as president.

Show nested quote +
The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The direct communications between the White House and the FBI were unusual because of decade-old restrictions on such contacts. Such a request from the White House is a violation of procedures that limit communications with the FBI on pending investigations.


CNN

Just let it play out, Trump. This entire Russia matter is a lot of fun and I'm enjoying every bit of it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 00:02 GMT
#139114
On February 24 2017 08:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Imagine the rage coming from the right if this story had occurred with Hillary as president.

Show nested quote +
The FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Donald Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign, multiple US officials briefed on the matter tell CNN.

White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The direct communications between the White House and the FBI were unusual because of decade-old restrictions on such contacts. Such a request from the White House is a violation of procedures that limit communications with the FBI on pending investigations.


CNN

Nothing to see here, just the White House trying to meddle with the FBI's investigation and use them as a PR tool. Nothing weird at all
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 00:06 GMT
#139115
On February 24 2017 08:51 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2017 08:41 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
On February 24 2017 08:29 KwarK wrote:
On February 24 2017 08:06 LegalLord wrote:
a leader who will see things through to the end. Like FDR.

Wait, you think FDR led America to the end of WWII?


well its not like he decided to leave the clean up to Truman.

Certainly didn't see things through. Didn't even set Truman up to properly succeed him when his health started to fail. He just got sick, neglected his responsibilities and died, leaving the end of the war and the postwar global settlement without any real American leadership. Half of Europe fell under totalitarian rule because FDR couldn't see things through.

Like honestly, that specific example being picked has to be trolling. Nobody is as stupid as LL pretends to be sometimes.

I like how he tried to frame as the economic recovery from the depression was seeing it to the end. Like the whole WW2 thing isn't what rocked us past it
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 00:10 GMT
#139116
Washington (CNN)The US military is contemplating a long-term presence in Iraq to stabilize the country after the anticipated defeat ISIS, America's top military officer said Thursday.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Joseph Dunford said that both the US and NATO have begun discussions with Iraq about the possibility.

"We have, as has NATO, begun a dialogue about a long term commitment to grow the capacity, maintain the capacity of Iraqi Security Forces, but no decisions have been made yet," Dunford told an audience at the Brookings Institution in Washington, his first time fielding questions since the inauguration of President Donald Trump.

"Iraq has begun to speak, and you've heard Prime Minister (Haider) Abadi speak, about the international community continuing to support defense capacity building," he added.

A NATO official told CNN Friday that, at Abadi's request, the alliance had already begun training Iraqi troops this month and that NATO's presence there "has no fixed end date."

Dunford's comments come days after Secretary of Defense James Mattis and the commander of the US-led counter-ISIS coalition, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, suggested in Baghdad that there would be continued US-Iraqi military collaboration even after the terror group is ejected from Mosul. Forces are currently advancing on the terror group there, the last major city it controls.

Source

Iraq, the gift that keeps on giving.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-24 00:14:12
February 24 2017 00:13 GMT
#139117
The fbi is the only organization that could clear them in this situation. The white house got sick of the attacks,they felt it was a false attack not based on facts, the fbi was/is investigating. They asked the fbi to come forward and say that they found nothing (assuming they indeed didn't find anything). Maybe a bit premature but its not horrible. If there turns out to be hard evidence and that the white house knew about it,then off course this will backfire tremendously but for now:no.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
February 24 2017 00:17 GMT
#139118
On February 24 2017 09:13 pmh wrote:
The fbi is the only organization that could clear them in this situation. The white house got sick of the attacks,they felt it was a false attack not based on facts, the fbi was/is investigating. They asked the fbi to come forward and say that they found nothing (assuming they indeed didn't find anything). Maybe a bit premature but its not horrible. If there turns out to be hard evidence and that the white house knew about it,then off course this will backfire tremendously but for now:no.

Except for the confirmations(yes there is a tiny chance they are fake) that there has been contact. Flynn had to resign because he lied about there being no contact. The Russian foreign minister(I think?) confirmed there was contact.

The contact might have been harmless, the investigation is looking into that, but this is the White House trying to get the FBI to say there was no contact when we have good reason to believe some contact was had.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 24 2017 00:18 GMT
#139119
Comey won't make the mistake of releasing info to the public again. Which means that for a few months before someone has actual info, this will all be resolved through a combination of media leaks and blatant lies. I'm looking forward to it.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 24 2017 00:18 GMT
#139120
No, that is really not great. The executive branch is not supposed to ask the FBI to clear them until the investigation is over and clears them. The FBI is not their PR machine. An active investigation into the White House's staff and their weird Russian connections is not an attack, its just the reality that exist. The press are going to report on it.
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