EPTOn February 23 2017 14:27 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
didn't the Indiana mayor attend the women's march?
didn't the Indiana mayor attend the women's march?
Yes, he was the only one.
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GreenHorizons
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pmh
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I can,t wait,it better be good. Oops I now see it was already posted on previous page. Sry to repeat it instead of quoting the first post. | ||
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Danglars
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On February 23 2017 11:17 Blisse wrote: It's sad that O'Keefe can get an audience on Fox... like Fox legitimizes him by doing that... I can already hear the media screaming Tuesday that this is all unsubstantiated, but this just worsens the discourse... This thought is only partially related, but it feels like uses of legitimize/platform-deplatform/normalize have exploded in the last two years with the '16 election season. This serves to legitimize this bad thing, and allies should de-platform this dude, and this trend has served to normalize this other bad thing, which de-legitimizes marginalized voices. I get the sentiment, but seriously, I can see them heading towards the junk heap of meaningless terms pretty soon through overuse. | ||
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pmh
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On February 23 2017 08:33 LegalLord wrote: Look at the reaction of the source he leaks about. Leaks of true information have a habit of making themselves known, because sooner or later someone will confess, If he has recordings.then there is not much to trust. Unless he fabricated them but I doubt he would take that risk. No,if it is hard recordings then this is going to be a big blow for cnn. And yes,if it is disturbing then i think cnn will more or less confess by starting make excuses ("it was just locker room talk,or "it was just a joke" or something like that) but lets wait what it is. Maybe its just big words and nothing truly disturbing,trying to seize the moment and get some attention,jump in the void that he might feel milo left behind. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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On February 23 2017 14:46 pmh wrote: If he has recordings.then there is not much to trust. Unless he fabricated them but I doubt he would take that risk. No,if it is hard recordings then this is going to be a big blow for cnn. And yes,if it is disturbing then i think cnn will more or less confess by starting make excuses ("it was just locker room talk,or "it was just a joke" or something like that) but lets wait what it is. Maybe its just big words and nothing truly disturbing comes out. Isn't this guys entire shtick weirdly/deceptively edited videos? | ||
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pmh
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If it turns out to be complete crap then I wont hesitate to dismiss it,no matter how badly I want cnn to be held accountable. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 23 2017 14:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Isn't this guys entire shtick weirdly/deceptively edited videos? Yes, yes it is! And yet for some reason people keep going back to him as if he has any credibility at all. He'll keep making people on the right look like fools while making money for himself. Let us not forget the last time this hero of the right tried to "punk" CNN with a weird rapey idiotic plan. This kid has never done anything but lie to you to fit your narrative. Eventually people will stop listening to him right? www.cbsnews.com | ||
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hunts
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On February 23 2017 14:50 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Isn't this guys entire shtick weirdly/deceptively edited videos? Yes, he just makes doctored video to try and make a completely false point. | ||
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Nevuk
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Fox giving him a platform doesn't legitimize him, it delegitimizes Fox. That's how unbelievable of a person he is. The last time he came up in this thread was during the election for something I don't even remember, and if I recall correctly, the universal reaction from everyone except the conservative posters was that he didn't even merit a response or even a view of his allegations. It's viewed as a waste of time for all involved. He's a couple of steps below Brietbart as a source - at least they report something factual on occasion. I literally cannot think of a more thoroughly discredited person. Infowars is a level above him. They've never been successfully taken to court over outright lies, and personally I'd rather listen to Alex Jones bitch about the bilderberger group doing LSD and taking orders from the clockwork elves they hallucinate to destroy society. That's actually much, much more plausible than a James O'Keefe "tape" being "true". The man is not just allergic to the truth, he seems to view it as an enemy that needs to be taken out back and put down. The fastest way to lose credibility is to cite James O'Keefe as proof for anything. | ||
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On February 23 2017 20:13 farvacola wrote: We don't even really need a cracked article, here on TL there a number of posters one can follow and track the progression from discontent to hatred aimed at a particular group of people. The order of operations is pretty self-explanatory. You can be cynical about it, but I think the discussion in this thread has been remarkably civil and relatively logical considering the immediacy of the topic to most involved, and that this is the internet. That is really what has kept me reading as a non-US resident. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
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Whenever I read something straight from any news source, I always find it hard to understand. The posters here are so incredible for helping me understand how people can take such different things from the same article about the same event, and the background provided by posts explaining the context of this piece helps immensely in understanding how things ended up like this. Even listening to counterpoints made by people like xdaunt and GH (not an insult, I just mean that you two are pretty far from the center politically) is interesting and adds depth to the conversation. It does make me feel like my classmates in high school are propaganda machines, which sucks. | ||
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Plansix
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It also helps that the regulars there are regulars in this thread who political views are known. Online a lot of left vs right arguments degrade down to people arguing against fictional versions of each other, based on stereotypes. To keep informed I have limited my news intake to some key reporters, NPR and the Times. Sometimes the WSJ too. I find it more useful to use the list feature on twitter and just add a bunch of reporters from different publications, rather than the hosts of political shows or in studio hosts. | ||
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Sadist
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On February 23 2017 14:42 Danglars wrote: This thought is only partially related, but it feels like uses of legitimize/platform-deplatform/normalize have exploded in the last two years with the '16 election season. This serves to legitimize this bad thing, and allies should de-platform this dude, and this trend has served to normalize this other bad thing, which de-legitimizes marginalized voices. I get the sentiment, but seriously, I can see them heading towards the junk heap of meaningless terms pretty soon through overuse. Ive noticed the same with the word "surrogate" being tossed around. Its creepy as shit if you ask me. | ||
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A purported cyber hack of the daughter of political consultant Paul Manafort suggests that he was the victim of a blackmail attempt while he was serving as Donald Trump’s presidential campaign chairman last summer. The undated communications, which are allegedly from the iPhone of Manafort’s daughter, include a text that appears to come from a Ukrainian parliamentarian named Serhiy Leshchenko, seeking to reach her father, in which he claims to have politically damaging information about both Manafort and Trump. Attached to the text is a note to Paul Manafort referring to “bulletproof” evidence related to Manafort’s financial arrangement with Ukraine’s former president, the pro-Russian strongman Viktor Yanukovych, as well as an alleged 2012 meeting between Trump and a close Yanukovych associate named Serhiy Tulub. “Considering all the facts and evidence that are in my possession, and before possible decision whether to pass this to [the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine] or FBI I would like to get your opinion on this and maybe your way to work things out that will persuade me to do otherwise,” reads the note. It is signed “Sergii” — an alternative transliteration of Leshchenko’s given name — and it urges Manafort to respond to an email address that reporters have used to reach Leshchenko. In the text to Manafort’s daughter to which the note was attached, the sender writes from a different address, “I need to get in touch with Paul i need to share some important information with him regarding ukraine investigation.” The sender adds “as soon as he comes back to me i will pass you documents,” but also warns: “if I don’t get any reply from you iam gonaa pass it on to the fbi and ukrainian authorities inducing media.” Leshchenko disavowed the texts in question, telling POLITICO on Tuesday “I've never written any emails or messages to … Manafort or his family. I don't know their contact details.” He added he said “I have nothing to do with” the email address from which the texts were sent. And in a Facebook post, he wrote that the “correspondence with Manafort's daughter is obviously fake.” A purported cyber hack of the daughter of political consultant Paul Manafort suggests that he was the victim of a blackmail attempt while he was serving as Donald Trump’s presidential campaign chairman last summer. The undated communications, which are allegedly from the iPhone of Manafort’s daughter, include a text that appears to come from a Ukrainian parliamentarian named Serhiy Leshchenko, seeking to reach her father, in which he claims to have politically damaging information about both Manafort and Trump. Attached to the text is a note to Paul Manafort referring to “bulletproof” evidence related to Manafort’s financial arrangement with Ukraine’s former president, the pro-Russian strongman Viktor Yanukovych, as well as an alleged 2012 meeting between Trump and a close Yanukovych associate named Serhiy Tulub. “Considering all the facts and evidence that are in my possession, and before possible decision whether to pass this to [the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine] or FBI I would like to get your opinion on this and maybe your way to work things out that will persuade me to do otherwise,” reads the note. It is signed “Sergii” — an alternative transliteration of Leshchenko’s given name — and it urges Manafort to respond to an email address that reporters have used to reach Leshchenko. In the text to Manafort’s daughter to which the note was attached, the sender writes from a different address, “I need to get in touch with Paul i need to share some important information with him regarding ukraine investigation.” The sender adds “as soon as he comes back to me i will pass you documents,” but also warns: “if I don’t get any reply from you iam gonaa pass it on to the fbi and ukrainian authorities inducing media.” Leshchenko disavowed the texts in question, telling POLITICO on Tuesday “I've never written any emails or messages to … Manafort or his family. I don't know their contact details.” He added he said “I have nothing to do with” the email address from which the texts were sent. And in a Facebook post, he wrote that the “correspondence with Manafort's daughter is obviously fake.” The White House did not respond to a question about whether Trump had met with Tulub, a hunting buddy of Yanukovych’s who had served as part of government when Yanukovych was prime minister. But a White House official questioned the chronology supporting the claim, explaining that Trump had not worked with Manafort before the 2016 campaign. In a Tuesday interview, Manafort denied brokering a 2012 meeting between Trump and Tulub, also pointing out that he wasn’t working for Trump at the time. However, Manafort did confirm the authenticity of the texts hacked from his daughter’s phone. And he added that, before the texts were sent to his daughter, he had received similar texts to his own phone number from the same address appearing to be affiliated with Leshchenko. He said he did not respond directly to any of the texts, and instead passed them along to his lawyer. He declined to provide the texts to POLITICO. Source | ||
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