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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 22 2017 22:52 GMT
#138961
Well if they deport the 50,000 undocumented Irish to Mexico it's not going to turn out well.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 23:02 GMT
#138962
Anyone curious about a now rather hushed discussion, wiki finally has a good page about where Trump nominees stand.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Donald_Trump

He actually seems to be doing ok at getting his nominees approved.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 22 2017 23:04 GMT
#138963
On February 23 2017 07:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 07:44 pmh wrote:
It seems impossible to me that the usa can deport illegal non Mexicans to mexico , Unless maybe they can somehow prove that they came into the usa via mexico. I am not sure on international law on that. But I doubt that is the intention of the administration,it is probably a sort of miscommunication/misunderstanding.

pence,i thought he was a lawyer and not a radio host?

Well they banned Green card holders before and said it was on purpose so...
No, I think they actually believed they could just deport everyone to Mexico.

This is clearly a Bannon, Miller special. It is to stupid not to be.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 23:10 GMT
#138964
The leak wars are on and I don't think this is going to stop.

Conservative provocateur James O’Keefe III said on Tuesday that he will soon release “hundreds of hours” of unaired footage secreted out of a major news organization.

The footage could come as early as Thursday, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity during a radio interview. The footage was provided to him, O’Keefe said, by people inside the network.

...

O’Keefe said he’d be releasing the footage “WikiLeaks-style.”

...

O’Keefe wouldn’t divulge which particular network would be hit, but said it was one President Donald Trump has spent much time talking about recently. “It’s the one he’s always targeting,” O’Keefe said.

That would seem to suggest CNN. Trump has been on a tear against the network since it revealed the existence of an allegedly embarrassing dossier that intelligence agencies were investigating.

...

O’Keefe’s organization received $10,000 from the Trump Foundation in the spring of 2015, shortly before Trump announced his presidential candidacy. Trump also called O’Keefe after the election to thank him for his work, O’Keefe revealed at a recent private dinner that was secretly recorded.


Huffington Post
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28626 Posts
February 22 2017 23:31 GMT
#138965
I don't think O'Keefe has much relevancy outside the Trumpian base? I have 0 trust in any revelation coming from his side, and he has so much baggage that he can be instantly dismissed by a 'but that guy lied about yadayada, why should I believe him now'. Probably further adds to the information divide though. But I mean, he's basically a right-wing, significantly less credible Michael Moore with worse production values.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
February 22 2017 23:33 GMT
#138966
On February 23 2017 08:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't think O'Keefe has much relevancy outside the Trumpian base? I have 0 trust in any revelation coming from his side, and he has so much baggage that he can be instantly dismissed by a 'but that guy lied about yadayada, why should I believe him now'. Probably further adds to the information divide though. But I mean, he's basically a right-wing, significantly less credible Michael Moore with worse production values.

Look at the reaction of the source he leaks about. Leaks of true information have a habit of making themselves known, because sooner or later someone will confess,
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 22 2017 23:44 GMT
#138967
On February 23 2017 07:46 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 07:44 pmh wrote:
It seems impossible to me that the usa can deport illegal non Mexicans to mexico , Unless maybe they can somehow prove that they came into the usa via mexico. I am not sure on international law on that. But I doubt that is the intention of the administration,it is probably a sort of miscommunication/misunderstanding.

pence,i thought he was a lawyer and not a radio host?

Well they banned Green card holders before and said it was on purpose so...
No, I think they actually believed they could just deport everyone to Mexico.

It's an optics thing. Do something beyond the pale, then everyone is relieved when you change it from beyond the pale to just "mildly offensive"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 22 2017 23:55 GMT
#138968
On February 23 2017 08:33 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 08:31 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't think O'Keefe has much relevancy outside the Trumpian base? I have 0 trust in any revelation coming from his side, and he has so much baggage that he can be instantly dismissed by a 'but that guy lied about yadayada, why should I believe him now'. Probably further adds to the information divide though. But I mean, he's basically a right-wing, significantly less credible Michael Moore with worse production values.

Look at the reaction of the source he leaks about. Leaks of true information have a habit of making themselves known, because sooner or later someone will confess,


Yeah I tend to think that leaks of true information are pretty powerful. But it does need to be true.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15537 Posts
February 22 2017 23:57 GMT
#138969
With O'Keefe, always best to assume fake until unbelievably certain.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 23 2017 00:31 GMT
#138970
I'm not entirely sure O'Keefe understands how news footage is obtained, and why it is cut.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 23 2017 00:35 GMT
#138971
Last time O'Keefe (well, Project Veritas) decided to do something like this (trying to bribe leftists into protesting the inauguration violently) he got brutally counter-stung. I wouldn't expect much from this, especially since CNN can probably release undoctored footage themselves which has uniformly shown O'Keefe to be a twat as far as history goes I think.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 23 2017 00:48 GMT
#138972
O'Keefe is a low grade propagandists. Anyone who takes his swill seriously has not been paying attention.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 02:18:24
February 23 2017 02:17 GMT
#138973
It's sad that O'Keefe can get an audience on Fox... like Fox legitimizes him by doing that...

I can already hear the media screaming Tuesday that this is all unsubstantiated, but this just worsens the discourse...
There is no one like you in the universe.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23086 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 04:27:33
February 23 2017 04:26 GMT
#138974
The DNC is such a shit show, I'm starting to think they want to lose more.

Not sure which is worse, CNN or the DNC.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 23 2017 04:41 GMT
#138975
On February 23 2017 13:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
The DNC is such a shit show, I'm starting to think they want to lose more.

Not sure which is worse, CNN or the DNC.

is there something specific that brought on this comment? I don't see anything on this page about the DNC issues.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23086 Posts
February 23 2017 04:45 GMT
#138976
On February 23 2017 13:41 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 13:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
The DNC is such a shit show, I'm starting to think they want to lose more.

Not sure which is worse, CNN or the DNC.

is there something specific that brought on this comment? I don't see anything on this page about the DNC issues.


Sorry I mentioned the debate earlier and everyone jumped on the O'Keefe crap.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 04:52:42
February 23 2017 04:51 GMT
#138977
that looks like a very long video; what's the tldr of the dumb stuff they doing?

i'm rather unfond of the national level party apparatuses in general.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 23 2017 05:08 GMT
#138978
On February 23 2017 13:45 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2017 13:41 zlefin wrote:
On February 23 2017 13:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
The DNC is such a shit show, I'm starting to think they want to lose more.

Not sure which is worse, CNN or the DNC.

is there something specific that brought on this comment? I don't see anything on this page about the DNC issues.


Sorry I mentioned the debate earlier and everyone jumped on the O'Keefe crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwkiXM6knFY

That debate was such a shitshow. I want to say CNN over DNC easily, but holy cow.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23086 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-23 05:26:04
February 23 2017 05:25 GMT
#138979
On February 23 2017 13:51 zlefin wrote:
that looks like a very long video; what's the tldr of the dumb stuff they doing?

i'm rather unfond of the national level party apparatuses in general.


Just wait for corporate media to sum it up for you, their "highlights" should cover much of it.

One that sticks out to me is that they didn't even mention medicare for all, which when compared to the support of repealing Obamacare (which consolidated Republicans) should obviously be the path to winning back the house and presidency.

I'm just impressed at how oblivious they could still be. Another lowlight was them explaining away meeting with big $ donors instead of attending the women's march. They could just admit that the Democratic party can't function (as it's currently constructed) without trading their ideals for campaign cash and we could decide if that's an acceptable state of affairs or not. Instead they just try to tell us that it's a forgone conclusion that they have to party with wealthy people and pander to them if we want to have a Democratic party. Neglecting that it's that specific understanding within the DNC establishment that is so off-putting to the people they only see/care about around election time (the millions of Americans they are trying to get to vote for them).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 23 2017 05:27 GMT
#138980
didn't the Indiana mayor attend the women's march?
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