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On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess.
I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters:
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source.
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On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking.
That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying.
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On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters: Show nested quote +
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source.
Boy, that dizzying number of bad arguments unleashed rapid-fire like that reminds me of Tomi Lahren. I could go point by point on why each and every equivalency drawn is a false one, but it'd take a fucking hour (if someone else has the patience, be my guest). I could also note that by committing, even by your own description, all of these heinous things itself, the right loses all legitimacy in criticizing those that came before. Highly disturbing, indeed, to take a position that cares so little for actually pursuing human flourishing, instead serving the idols of retribution and spite.
Let me just say this. Suppose this all goes as bad as the lefties say it will. Suppose as a result of this vindictiveness, this spite, we get for the first time ever, a fascist, totalitarian government which is also a nuclear power and the world's strongest military. On that day, where will your self-righteousness be? Because on that day I don't think I'll have the heart to say I told you so.
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On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:...
It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
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I don't follow US politics in enough detail to say whether this statement is true or false in your country, but at least in Australia this assessment of right vs. left politicians is a huge [citation needed].
(I wouldn't say the left wing politicians of Australia are significantly better than the right on this scale, but they're not significantly worse, either. For reference, the recent treatment of a left-wing Speaker and right-wing Speaker when caught committing reimbursement malfeasances was fairly similar.)
EDIT: I would like to see a non-hopelessly-partisan perspective on this question from an American with respect to US politics and politicians.
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Don't worry. If Trump turns into Hitler as all y'all on the left fear, I'll have no trouble voicing my opposition to him.
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On January 31 2017 15:22 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking. That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying.
Trump is by no means a unique phenomenon. While the country will likely look scarred in some rather interesting ways after the end of his presidency, he is merely the culmination of a populist undercurrent that has been coming for a decade. Between his protectionist/isolationist attitude towards the power structures of the liberal order, the hard line on immigration, the disdain for news and his own tenuous relation with the truth, and any number of other things, he represents a certain somewhat ugly side of the country that was always there.
In various cases I agree or disagree with his policies. But in the case of his, erm, "provocations," I simply have to marvel at how much that naked ugliness of American attitudes towards the world comes bubbling out. Foreigners think that all this populist shit just came out of nowhere after Obama. No, we've always been like that, we just elected a guy that has no intention of hiding it anymore. And I can't help but laugh there.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters: Show nested quote +
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source.
There's literally no moral depravity petty revanchists won't stoop to. We already established that long ago. You did not need to link a rambling post full of false equivalencies devoid of constructive argumentation to reiterate that.
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On January 31 2017 15:35 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:...
It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
... I don't follow US politics in enough detail to say whether this statement is true or false in your country, but at least in Australia this assessment of right vs. left politicians is a huge [citation needed]. (I wouldn't say the left wing politicians of Australia are significantly better than the right on this scale, but they're not significantly worse, either.)
Our right is more competent than our left. The left is bigger but does significantly more stupid shit (e.g. DNC incompetence all election) while the right, for all its faults, does manage to win with organizational skill and an adherence to principles that the left doesn't have. While you can disagree with the principles the right sticks by (they would be far-right in Europe) you have to generally concede that they tend to be more competent than the left.
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On January 31 2017 15:22 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking. That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying.
Who was the previous record holder of worst president in history for you?
And just how many times worse than him are you expecting Trump will be? Because the country survived him, a civil war, world wars, the fight with communism... the country was even spawned out of a revolution. So we'd want to be careful about accidentally using hyperbolic hysteria and alarmism as a political weapon.
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On January 31 2017 15:40 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:35 Aquanim wrote:On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:...
It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
... I don't follow US politics in enough detail to say whether this statement is true or false in your country, but at least in Australia this assessment of right vs. left politicians is a huge [citation needed]. (I wouldn't say the left wing politicians of Australia are significantly better than the right on this scale, but they're not significantly worse, either.) Our right is more competent than our left. The left is bigger but does significantly more stupid shit (e.g. DNC incompetence all election) while the right, for all its faults, does manage to win with organizational skill and an adherence to principles that the left doesn't have. While you can disagree with the principles the right sticks by (they would be far-right in Europe) you have to generally concede that they tend to be more competent than the left.
The right is probably more "competent" in Australia as well, by some definition. However, what I (and the enclosed quote) were referring to was integrity and what happens to politicians caught in criminal behaviour (which I would also generalise to immoral behaviour).
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On January 31 2017 15:34 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters:
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source. Boy, that dizzying number of bad arguments unleashed rapid-fire like that reminds me of Tomi Lahren. I could go point by point on why each and every equivalency drawn is a false one, but it'd take a fucking hour (if someone else has the patience, be my guest). I could also note that by committing, even by your own description, all of these heinous things itself, the right loses all legitimacy in criticizing those that came before. Highly disturbing, indeed, to take a position that cares so little for actually pursuing human flourishing, instead serving the idols of retribution and spite. Let me just say this. Suppose this all goes as bad as the lefties say it will. Suppose as a result of this vindictiveness, this spite, we get for the first time ever, a fascist, totalitarian government which is also a nuclear power and the world's strongest military. On that day, where will your self-righteousness be? Because on that day I don't think I'll have the heart to say I told you so.
He won't be on the front line defending America or her citizens. He'll be ratting out his neighbors for extra rations.
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On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters: Show nested quote +
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source.
I suspect these sentiments will be regretted if shit really hits the fan. And we shouldn't let these people act like they are outraged and opposed at that time. They voted for Trump's words and personal nature, which were clear.
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On January 31 2017 15:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:22 ChristianS wrote:On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking. That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying. Who was the previous record holder of worst president in history for you? And just how many times worse than him are you expecting Trump will be? Because the country survived him, a civil war, world wars, the fight with communism... the country was even spawned out of a revolution. So we'd want to be careful about accidentally using hyperbolic hysteria and alarmism as a political weapon.
That statement is unfair to ask due to the different nature of the times. Andrew Jackson could be called the worst President for his slaughter of Native Americans. Garfield (or was it Coolidge) was largely ineffective during the 20's. Johnson had Vietnam. Bush had Iraq. But Trump is on the verge of inciting. We joined to help defend other countries. Trump is trying to instigate it. There is a big difference.
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On January 31 2017 15:43 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:40 LegalLord wrote:On January 31 2017 15:35 Aquanim wrote:On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:...
It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
... I don't follow US politics in enough detail to say whether this statement is true or false in your country, but at least in Australia this assessment of right vs. left politicians is a huge [citation needed]. (I wouldn't say the left wing politicians of Australia are significantly better than the right on this scale, but they're not significantly worse, either.) Our right is more competent than our left. The left is bigger but does significantly more stupid shit (e.g. DNC incompetence all election) while the right, for all its faults, does manage to win with organizational skill and an adherence to principles that the left doesn't have. While you can disagree with the principles the right sticks by (they would be far-right in Europe) you have to generally concede that they tend to be more competent than the left. The right is probably more "competent" in Australia as well, by some definition. However, what I (and the enclosed quote) were referring to was integrity and what happens to politicians caught in criminal behaviour (which I would also generalise to immoral behaviour).
I would find it hard to generalize (there are a lot of cases where both sides dump an indefensible asshole) but perhaps one of the most "raw" faults is how aggressively the center-left defended DWS (the chairman of the DNC) in the face of accusations of collusion - when the DNC leaks happened it turned into a firestorm. The RNC to its credit were stuck with a nominee they didn't like and made the best of it.
I wouldn't be willing to generalize as xDaunt does (just a hard statement to evaluate) but it very well could be argued to be true.
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On January 31 2017 15:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:42 oBlade wrote:On January 31 2017 15:22 ChristianS wrote:On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking. That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying. Who was the previous record holder of worst president in history for you? And just how many times worse than him are you expecting Trump will be? Because the country survived him, a civil war, world wars, the fight with communism... the country was even spawned out of a revolution. So we'd want to be careful about accidentally using hyperbolic hysteria and alarmism as a political weapon. That statement is unfair to ask due to the different nature of the times. Andrew Jackson could be called the worst President for his slaughter of Native Americans. Garfield (or was it Coolidge) was largely ineffective during the 20's. Johnson had Vietnam. Bush had Iraq. But Trump is on the verge of inciting. We joined to help defend other countries. Trump is trying to instigate it. There is a big difference.
Sorry, inciting and instigating what? War, do you mean?
It's obviously asking who the worst President was in terms of the points he already raised: "(maybe irreparable) damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy." Even better would be someone who managed to do it simply by running a campaign as was just said of DJT.
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On January 31 2017 15:42 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:22 ChristianS wrote:On January 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
At this point I find more humor than outrage in all the absurd things Trump does. I try to focus more on the policy results of his actions than how stupid it ends up looking. That's maybe the response I've seen that I find most disturbing. To me the idea of Donald being president stopped being funny just about as soon as it became plausible. Everything he's done, even during the campaign, has done lasting, maybe irreparable damage to our country, our reputation abroad, and the integrity of our democracy. There's real, human costs to all this reality tv show. I don't see the humor, unless you've already despaired so much you have to laugh to keep from crying. Who was the previous record holder of worst president in history for you? And just how many times worse than him are you expecting Trump will be? Because the country survived him, a civil war, world wars, the fight with communism... the country was even spawned out of a revolution. So we'd want to be careful about accidentally using hyperbolic hysteria and alarmism as a political weapon.
Oo, I dunno, there's so many delectable possibilities! Harding is a common pick for worst president, just because it was such a shit show. Coolidge mostly just didn't do anything but maybe bring about the Great Depression, so that's pretty shitty. Wilson was a racist piece of shit. I don't know if the Trail of Tears qualifies as genocide, but the very fact that the question is open doesn't say great things for Jackson.
I don't remember the last president that was this much of an embarrassment. Even Dubya or Carter seemed kind of charming, even if they weren't great. Trump is angry, vindictive, hateful, hypocritical, and completely without anything resembling a conscience. He has no respect for rule of law, or democracy, or free speech, or any of the Enlightenment values on which our democracy was founded, because he appears to have no values at all, at least not moral ones. His only real constants seem to be self-interest, survival of the fittest, and glorying in his foes' demise. There is no greater hypocrisy in my mind than the religious right so enthusiastically backing the least Christ-like man to run for the office in the last century.
All of that is just based on the person he is now, not on the fascist takeover that's consuming liberals' nightmares. Like I said, he still might easily be terrible in a mundane way - implementing terrible policies with no respect for rule of law, tearing the Republican party apart from the inside, failing to achieve any of the economic or foreign policy metrics he promised his supporters, and disappearing into the night. Whether that would make him our worst president yet I'll leave to historians; I lack the perspective to say. That he seems determined to convince everyone he will not just be bad but historically bad is entirely consistent with both his character and every promise he made on the campaign.
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On January 31 2017 14:05 OuchyDathurts wrote:
The irony is staggering
quoting because it has to be done
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On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters: Show nested quote +
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source.
As much as I detest Trump and the last election cycle, this sums up the feelings of so many. I know people who voted for Trump because they detest everything the left has done and want SOMEONE to do or say SOMETHING. People who in any other year would have voted Cruz, Rubio, or even Bush. But not this year.
And even I have to check myself from getting a kick out of the leftist freakout over every possible thing that happens. And like the author, I don't have to defend him! I will when I feel like it, but I'm not the one to blame.
I've already voiced my concerns on what Trump could do to conservatism, but the election is over. Have to make do and pull him as far this way as possible.
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On January 31 2017 15:50 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 15:34 ChristianS wrote:On January 31 2017 15:20 xDaunt wrote:On January 31 2017 15:13 ChristianS wrote:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that he shouldn't remove her. That he labeled her a traitor is some run-of-the-mill beyond the pail Trump discourse - unacceptable behavior from the President, does clear damage to the integrity of our democracy, but I'm sure another one of those will happen by the time I wake up in the morning so oh well, I guess. I like Trump's rhetoric. He's doing what should have been done years ago by republican politicians. This is what it looks like when republicans actively resist. Here's something that I saw last week that I identified with quite a bit. I don't agree with all of it, but I assure you that most of the sentiments in there are commonly shared by all Trump supporters:
How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]
There's a frustrating game that the left plays with conservatives. It's an Alinksy tactic called, "Make them live up to their values." Now, living up to one's values isn't a bad thing, but setting high standards ultimately means that you'll sometimes fall short.
The left loves to exploit these shortcomings--every Christian who falls short of perfection is a hypocrite; the social values candidate you voted for just got arrested for drunk driving. Haha, everything you believe and advocate is now discredited.
They got away with it for years, waving away the lies, hypocrisy, indiscretions, and criminal behavior from their own politicians while beating the right mercilessly with the missteps of their own. It's effective because the right always maintains a baseline of integrity not displayed by the left, as evidenced by comparing what happens to Republican politicians when they're caught in criminal behavior with what happens to Democrats. Republican voters and politicians reluctantly dump the malefactor while Democrats defend their guy and launch an offensive against those who demand accountability.
And then came along Trump, a guy just ripe for demonization by the left. I think it's fair to say that even his early supporters worried that the Democrats would successfully make him toxic to the general voting public with his boorish behavior, vulgarity, multiple bankruptcies and very public divorces.
But something strange happened. Not only did Donald Trump not care about attacks on his character, neither did anyone else. We saw this new paradigm assert itself over and over during the primary throughout repeated media predictions that this time he's gone to far and he's cooked.
This same indifference that helped Trump carry the election has continued into the early days of his administration. With it comes a refreshingly freeing state of mind. Personally, I don't feel in any way responsible for Trump, nor do I feel compelled to defend him against attack.
Why? Because I voted for retribution.
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
"He's a narcissist! He's got totalitarian impulses!"
Yes, he's basically a mirror version of Obama. Except now, he'll be working for what I want. The end justifies the means. You taught me that.
"A sitting president going after the media. OMG!"
Oh, like Obama trashing Rush Limbaugh and Fox News? How about when he sent his lackeys to berate news reporters for failure to flatter him at all times. Oh, and NSA spying on the press. That was pretty great, too.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
"He's a bully! Is this what you want? Someone who uses his power to bully other people?!!!"
And this is where everything funnels down to the very nexus of my change in attitude from "Do unto others" to "I will do unto you what you do unto me."
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
It was that moment that everything changed for me--not only the harassment, fake Yelp reviews and the death threats that forced them to temporarily close up shop--oh, that was bad enough, but the most powerful man on Earth bullying a couple of small town pizza owners from Indiana simply for expressing an opinion on a hypothetical asked of them by a reporter with a malicious agenda? That was when I snapped.
Do you remember?
It's this that sent me to a place from which I'll never return. I literally don't care what Donald Trump does because nothing he can do is worse than what they've already done.
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
There aren't any rules anymore because the left only applies them one way. And in doing so, they've left what once was a civil compact between the two parties in smoldering ruins.
I have no personal investment in Donald Trump. He is a tool to punish the left and roll back their ill-gotten gains, no more and no less. If he succeeds even partially in those two things, then I'll consider his election a win.
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people.
This new philosophy has freed me of more emotional angst that I can describe. Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
They created this Frankenstein. They own it. I am free of all obligation. I will never play defense again. I will attack, attack, attack, attack using their own tactics against them until they learn their lesson.
What I will not do is let them play my values against me ever again. I don't need to prove that I'm better than them. I already know it.
Source. Boy, that dizzying number of bad arguments unleashed rapid-fire like that reminds me of Tomi Lahren. I could go point by point on why each and every equivalency drawn is a false one, but it'd take a fucking hour (if someone else has the patience, be my guest). I could also note that by committing, even by your own description, all of these heinous things itself, the right loses all legitimacy in criticizing those that came before. Highly disturbing, indeed, to take a position that cares so little for actually pursuing human flourishing, instead serving the idols of retribution and spite. Let me just say this. Suppose this all goes as bad as the lefties say it will. Suppose as a result of this vindictiveness, this spite, we get for the first time ever, a fascist, totalitarian government which is also a nuclear power and the world's strongest military. On that day, where will your self-righteousness be? Because on that day I don't think I'll have the heart to say I told you so. He won't be on the front line defending America or her citizens. He'll be ratting out his neighbors for extra rations.
And if asked if that is a good moral behavior he will point to the letter of the law.
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Nice dodging of a personal stance to the ridiculous statements in xdaunts link.
"He won't show his taxes!"
Don't care. Where are Obama's college transcripts, by the way?
How is that even comparable? Feel free to shed some light on that. Would be appreciated.
"Don't care". Why doesn't he just say go fuck yourself instead? It's about as equivalent to that as it gets.
And if that's his political agenda as you could suggugest by his last paragraphs, then thanks for the contribution.
It's two words: Memories Pizza.
Obama standing up against discrimination with a joke is not even close to Trump calling people traitor.
Even if it were public shaming that would be right out of Trump's textbook.
Classic "holy shit this time our perceived freedom is in danger let's be outraged like the lefists always are, oh wait".
You have undisclosed taxes vs. a disclosed college record. (diddn't compare dates though)
"He's think-skinned and petty!" shrieks the left. "He takes everything personally!"
Good, I say. I want him to take attacks personally and deal out payback. I know I won't be the target, you will be.
Classic I don't give a fuck as long as I am not a direct victim of xy policy (your mortgage might say hello this time though).
"He's unpresidential! He'll destroy the integrity of the office!"
No, that's already happened. Remember, you elected a shit-talking jackass who takes selfies at state funerals when he's not giving stealth middle fingers to his opponents during debates. There is no dignity of the office, not after Clinton and Obama.
idk about the middle finger and a quick search diddnt bing anything, sounds made up. But as to the "funeral selfie" there is more than one side to the coin. Comparing it to children making selfies with their deceased grandparents definitely doesn't hold up here.
Also, would you dispute Obama's class in office?
Donald Trump isn't the bully; he only insults and abuses people in power who have attacked him. They're the fucking bullies. The left, with their smears, their witch hunts, their slanders, their insults, their riots, their violence, and their weaponizing of the federal bureaucracy.
Like, really? "Grab her by the pussy", trump regularly trying to diverge attention from him by blaming others like here:
Further, I no longer have any investment in any particular political values, save one: The rules created by the left will be applied to the left as equally and punitively as they have applied them to the right. And when they beg for mercy, I'll begin to reconsider. Or maybe not. Because fuck these people
Literally nothing the left says or does matters to me anymore. I don't care about their tantrums. I don't care about their accusations. I don't care if they say Trump is lying. I don't care if Trump is lying.
how can you even take a post like that serious. I don't even.
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