EPTMaximum chaos.
I love it.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
Maximum chaos. I love it. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Do people on the left realise that if they get Trump impeached or "removed" then they get Pence.The guy who supported gay conversion therapy as governor..Then what? They impeach him too? Maximum chaos. I love it. This has been covered a trillion times. Do you think that people don't know how the system works or something? That you've got some sort of secret information that the VP takes over if the President is removed? Pence is an idiot, he doesn't have deep seeded psychosis however. He's the same as Bush, who sadly is an upgrade at this point. He disagrees on many of Trumps stances and I'm sure he'd have the real man in charge, Bannon, removed in an instant. Pence is standard garbage, he's not a full blown loon. | ||
BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Do people on the left realise that if they get Trump impeached or "removed" then they get Pence.The guy who supported gay conversion therapy as governor..Then what? They impeach him too? Maximum chaos. I love it. Yes. I may disagree with Pence but he is at least qualified Imo. Good to see you find this nightmare amusing. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
I just have to wonder xdaunt, seeing as how you favor confrontational retribution, what do you think the next leftist president is gonna be like? I mean, Trump is mobilizing leftists like never before - not even during invasion of Iraq did you see this type of unification. And the numbers game is pretty clear - there are more people leaning democrat, they've just been less likely to vote. Now that people see what a true disaster looks like, they're not gonna stay home. And as Trump isn't gonna succeed in helping out those disenfranchised groups who won him the election in terms of job growth, they might be the new group that stays home. The schadenfraude republicans you yourself identify with is a significant group for sure, but I don't think it's sufficient to win in 2018 or 2020. And then looking at the (excellent) huffpo article danglars posted earlier, it seems unlikely that we're suddenly gonna go for a real unifying guy either, because tensions are increasing and the natural response to someone like Trump is not to attempt to find common ground, it is to vocally distance yourself in every way. Trump is sprinting towards the line where supporting him is gonna ostracize you - and don't you live in California? It's just, I feel your attitude is mindblowingly short-sighted.. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18517 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:35 Liquid`Drone wrote: We would pretty much all prefer Pence over Trump. The thing is, policy is not the only thing that matters, conduct also does. And while there are aspects of Pence's social conservationism that worry us, he at least pretends to be a decent human being, and social policy setbacks can be reversed. Trump threatens to permanently damage. I just have to wonder xdaunt, seeing as how you favor confrontational retribution, what do you think the next leftist president is gonna be like? I mean, Trump is mobilizing leftists like never before - not even during invasion of Iraq did you see this type of unification. And the numbers game is pretty clear - there are more people leaning democrat, they've just been less likely to vote. Now that people see what a true disaster looks like, they're not gonna stay home. And as Trump isn't gonna succeed in helping out those disenfranchised groups who won him the election in terms of job growth, they might be the new group that stays home. The schadenfraude republicans you yourself identify with is a significant group for sure, but I don't think it's sufficient to win in 2018 or 2020. And then looking at the (excellent) huffpo article danglars posted earlier, it seems unlikely that we're suddenly gonna go for a real unifying guy either, because tensions are increasing and the natural response to someone like Trump is not to attempt to find common ground, it is to vocally distance yourself in every way. Trump is sprinting towards the line where supporting him is gonna ostracize you - and don't you live in California? It's just, I feel your attitude is mindblowingly short-sighted.. While I agree with most of what you said I disagree very strongly about your "they're not gonna stay home". They all knew what Trump is going to be like beforehand and still they stayed at home. All these new "leftists" that emerge on the internet are people who never voted or will never vote in their life. They are the kind of people who only bark but never bite. I am willing to accept any bet in that regard. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4356 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:21 OuchyDathurts wrote: Do you think that people don't know how the system works or something? Well the number one thing googled after Brexit was "What is The EU?" so no, i have very little faith in the average westerner. Idealistic, naive and about to get a real dose of reality when the economic shitshow gets started. Which should be around the time Trump brings in his 20% Mexican import tariff. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18114 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Do people on the left realise that if they get Trump impeached or "removed" then they get Pence.The guy who supported gay conversion therapy as governor..Then what? They impeach him too? Maximum chaos. I love it. OK. So this is what you get when you treat politics like it's a reality tv show. Unsurprisingly it's about as appetizing as "big brother", but with serious repercussions for multiple people. The lack of empathy is quite astounding. As long as the show goes on, we will just sit out the wild ride and watch what shocking thing Trump says or does next. In fact, we should just change the thread title to that.  Oh, and to be clear, I quoted nettles, but it is a general response to a number of posts on the last few pages, including the appalling blog xDaunt linked. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28706 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:43 sharkie wrote: While I agree with most of what you said I disagree very strongly about your "they're not gonna stay home". They all knew what Trump is going to be like beforehand and still they stayed at home. All these new "leftists" that emerge on the internet are people who never voted or will never vote in their life. They are the kind of people who only bark but never bite. I am willing to accept any bet in that regard. Nobody knew what Trump was gonna be like beforehand. Some feared what we ended up getting, some were curious, a lot of people thought he was gonna dial it down a few notches - that he was just pandering to his base when making his more extreme promises. And a lot of people thought Hillary was gonna win either way. I'm not gonna bother making a bet for what happens 4 years down the line, but I am certain that if Trump is the republican candidate in 2020, democratic turnout is gonna be significantly higher this time around. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:43 sharkie wrote: While I agree with most of what you said I disagree very strongly about your "they're not gonna stay home". They all knew what Trump is going to be like beforehand and still they stayed at home. All these new "leftists" that emerge on the internet are people who never voted or will never vote in their life. They are the kind of people who only bark but never bite. I am willing to accept any bet in that regard. He prompted the largest protest EVER in American history 1 day after getting into office. His single greatest skill is making his enemies more powerful. Whether its the left of Jihadists he grows their ranks. He's the fastest president in history to get to a majority disapproval rating, 9 days, Bush took 1200 days to get there. There's only going to be more marches and more protests, opposition getting more fired up and it's not going to stop until he gets a clue, which we all know will never happen, or he's gone. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7917 Posts
On January 31 2017 15:36 xDaunt wrote: Don't worry. If Trump turns into Hitler as all y'all on the left fear, I'll have no trouble voicing my opposition to him. Not only would I highly doubt that, but you don't seem to realize that the line of what most decent people find acceptable is not "Hitler". It's, for example, banning entire countries from entering the country even when we talk about people having a green card and being perfectly integrated in the american society, based only on racial and religious prejudices. But that's not the point. I think Trump would have to go extremely far in terms of abjection for you to voice any critics, based on your history in this thread. You know, people also said Hitler didn't really mean it, was refreshing and at least spoke the truth about that rotten establishment. He managed to convince a third of the germans, so if we were to transpose the situation, i would really to struggle to see you on the good side. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On January 31 2017 20:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Just wondering could the Quebec attack be the first Politically U.S. induced terrorist? Maybe we could institute a travel ban on all the nationalists until we can figure out what the hell is going on? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45039 Posts
On January 31 2017 18:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Do people on the left realise that if they get Trump impeached or "removed" then they get Pence.The guy who supported gay conversion therapy as governor..Then what? They impeach him too? Maximum chaos. I love it. I'd prefer Pence over Trump. We'd be getting a traditional super conservative which I'm not a fan of, but I still think that Pence could run the country. I don't think Pence would be peddling the same fascist, thin-skinned, tactless, alternative fact agenda, and I don't think he would set the world on fire just to make a quick buck. Pence is at least predictable and I don't think he has a God complex. | ||
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sertas
Sweden888 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On January 31 2017 20:54 sertas wrote: im not american so i dont understand all of this but obama banned iraq people from entering the us where was the outrage? I didnt even know it happened until i read about it now. Now trump does the same except more countries and its that much different? It isn't the same. I'll quote myself: I think it's completely unreasonable for the reasons highlighted in the article I posted a couple of pages ago, but regardless your initial claim was that Trump wasn't ordering anything Obama hadn't done before, which is simply factually false. What the Obama administration did was reply to a specific event by expanding the review process for refugees from a single country, Iraq, which resulted in the slowing down of the refugee visa granting process considerably. The Obama administration did not, however, apply its measure to immigrants (lawful permanent residents) and nonimmigrants (people temporarily visiting the country as tourists, students, etc.), and to more than one country (Trump targeted seven). In addition, Obama's measures were not illegal, while Trump's seems to be violating 8 U.S.C. 1152 Sec. 202(a)(1)(A) preventing discrimination against immigrants because of their "race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence." See also this Washington Post article. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On January 31 2017 19:34 Biff The Understudy wrote: Not only would I highly doubt that, but you don't seem to realize that the line of what most decent people find acceptable is not "Hitler". It's, for example, banning entire countries from entering the country even when we talk about people having a green card and being perfectly integrated in the american society, based only on racial and religious prejudices. But that's not the point. I think Trump would have to go extremely far in terms of abjection for you to voice any critics, based on your history in this thread. You know, people also said Hitler didn't really mean it, was refreshing and at least spoke the truth about that rotten establishment. He managed to convince a third of the germans, so if we were to transpose the situation, i would really to struggle to see you on the good side. People with green card can enter, they just get screened more strictly. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On January 31 2017 20:59 Antyee wrote: People with green card can enter, they just get screened more strictly. But can we be sure they would have been allowed to enter if people did not react strongly to the fact they were not allowed to in the first place? We'll never know but the question is still in the air. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
On January 31 2017 12:38 xDaunt wrote: Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but I believe that it is unethical for attorneys to publicly shame their clients, even if the client requests that the attorney do something that is actually unethical. The proper thing for her to do was resign. Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if she gets disciplined by the Bar. Yates won't get disciplined by the Bar, and no, she won't even have to defend an ethics complaint. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On January 31 2017 21:07 nojok wrote: But can we be sure they would have been allowed to enter if people did not react strongly to the fact they were not allowed to in the first place? We'll never know but the question is still in the air. It doesn't make his original statement true. Also, laws and such have always been lax. It's not a surprise that something rushed out without much forethought would need some clarification. Hanlon's razor in full swing. | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
On January 31 2017 21:16 Antyee wrote: It doesn't make his original statement true. Also, laws and such have always been lax. It's not a surprise that something rushed out without much forethought would need some clarification. Hanlon's razor in full swing. xDaunt and others who claim to understand how Trump works disagree with you and are arguing that the inclusion of green card holders was a deliberate act of provocation. | ||
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