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Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
November 09 2016 08:27 GMT
#122061
On November 09 2016 17:22 bardtown wrote:
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On November 09 2016 17:19 Slithe wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


One difference that has been glossed over is that he's a man and Hillary is a woman. There's still a lot of sexism in our society, whether explicit or implicit, which is certainly a contributing factor.


'Glossed over', LOL. Wasn't that her entire campaign?

Who knows what her campaign was about?
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
November 09 2016 08:27 GMT
#122062
On November 09 2016 17:25 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


Lots of Berniebots voted Trump / didn't vote / voted 3rd party. This is a large part of why Hillary lost the election.

The line of thinking here is that the other way around wouldn't be true (Hillary fans refusing to vote for Bernie if he won the primary)

Corruption played a big part here, that's for sure.


Yeah this is huge, young voters didn't turn out for Clinton like they did for Trump.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 08:27 GMT
#122063
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
November 09 2016 08:27 GMT
#122064
On November 09 2016 17:19 Slithe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


One difference that has been glossed over is that he's a man and Hillary is a woman. There's still a lot of sexism in our society, whether explicit or implicit, which is certainly a contributing factor.

I don't recall seeing a single person arguing that Hillary shouldn't win because she's a woman, or that they wouldn't vote for her because a woman. Not a single one. The only person who mentioned her gender was her, saying that people should vote for her so she could be the first woman president. No thx, the best PERSON for the job should get the job, not the best in a particular gender.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 09 2016 08:28 GMT
#122065
Trump having to learn the trade from Obama the next few months will be awkward
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6306 Posts
November 09 2016 08:28 GMT
#122066
On November 09 2016 17:24 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:21 Slaughter wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:16 Scrubwave wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:09 Danglars wrote:
But really, you oversold the malign effects of racism sexism and transphobia,

These are not oversold and please take a good hard look at yourself tonight before you say it again

Look, not everyone wants a Trudeau at the helm of their ship.
Countries face much bigger problems that phobias and isms.

Does the united states actually have that big of problems though?

And just because there are other problems doesn't mean you can sweep bigotry under the rug. It's a huge problem world wide


The US is doing fine. Trump tapped into people FEELING like they were worse off then they were and general unease about the future as well as those who haven't felt the recovery as much.


I think it is funny that Obama in his second term hit all the marks that Romney and Ryan promised the US would be at economically if they won. But the people who carried Trump on the midwest were uneducated. And no that isn't a slight, it is a fact based on exit polling.

And now I will serve to the Trumps Official Promise Watcher for this forum:

Now on the list:

- Jail Hillary.
- Build a wall on the southern border and make Mexico pay for it.

He also said he would audit the Fed. Thats what I'm looking forward to most
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 09 2016 08:28 GMT
#122067
Quick thing to add, because people will surely look at popular vote...

It's dumb, California would have the weight of half of the US if you did it by popular vote, because they have strong opinions there, meanwhile the results of say California would be meaningless. So even though Trump will likely end with 306, he will lose popular vote. That's fine, because it's only the one state of California where he's losing really hard.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6252 Posts
November 09 2016 08:28 GMT
#122068
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
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On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

Retirement funds also invest on the long term (30+ years). Short term volatility shouldn't affect them too much. Only if this keeps up it'll be bad. The real problem is that premiums paid to retiremwnt funds have been too low for years.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
November 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#122069
On November 09 2016 17:22 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:19 Slithe wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


One difference that has been glossed over is that he's a man and Hillary is a woman. There's still a lot of sexism in our society, whether explicit or implicit, which is certainly a contributing factor.


'Glossed over', LOL. Wasn't that her entire campaign?


With regard to the result of the election, the media has not spoken much about the impact of gender bias. I bet a fairly significant percentage of voters did not favor Hillary simply because she is a woman.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#122070
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

if you think looking at a small snapshot (i.e., a few days) is in any way a reasonable way to handle investing, you have no business investing for yourself, or giving others investment advice. retirement funds should not be readjusting anything, private investors should not be readjusting anything, in light of what has happened today. to do so is folly and people will only lose money. stay the course.

there is a great quote (paraphrased): there are two kind of people, those who know they cant predict the market, and those who dont know they cant predict the market. your statement that "today is nothing compared to what's to come" is completely useless. i hope no one is foolish enough to believe your doom and gloom, or worse, act on it.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
November 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#122071
On November 09 2016 17:25 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:19 Slithe wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


One difference that has been glossed over is that he's a man and Hillary is a woman. There's still a lot of sexism in our society, whether explicit or implicit, which is certainly a contributing factor.

The bigger difference is one is a criminal, the other isn't. You could argue felons are discriminated against but look at the job position.


Except Trump has plenty of crimes under his belt.
Never Knows Best.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
November 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#122072
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone to your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are really working. Hint: taxes is a small thing. Hint 2: your employers are actually going to pay even more fucking taxes.


Nah this will only be temporary, after awhile the market and people will realize life goes on as usual and markets will rebound. Just look at brexit for example.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 09 2016 08:29 GMT
#122073
On November 09 2016 17:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:24 BronzeKnee wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:21 Slaughter wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:16 Scrubwave wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:09 Danglars wrote:
But really, you oversold the malign effects of racism sexism and transphobia,

These are not oversold and please take a good hard look at yourself tonight before you say it again

Look, not everyone wants a Trudeau at the helm of their ship.
Countries face much bigger problems that phobias and isms.

Does the united states actually have that big of problems though?

And just because there are other problems doesn't mean you can sweep bigotry under the rug. It's a huge problem world wide


The US is doing fine. Trump tapped into people FEELING like they were worse off then they were and general unease about the future as well as those who haven't felt the recovery as much.


I think it is funny that Obama in his second term hit all the marks that Romney and Ryan promised the US would be at economically if they won. But the people who carried Trump on the midwest were uneducated. And no that isn't a slight, it is a fact based on exit polling.

And now I will serve to the Trumps Official Promise Watcher for this forum:

Now on the list:

- Jail Hillary.
- Build a wall on the southern border and make Mexico pay for it.


None of those two will happen, the Trump supporters will wait a long time for that to happen.

Hey, spoiler alert!
Get off my lawn, young punks
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 09 2016 08:30 GMT
#122074
On November 09 2016 16:57 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 16:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
It's very telling that there are so many new voices in the thread today telling everyone how "the liberals" did that or how they knew before or how this is good. It's so easy to commit to something now that you know that 50% of the USA did as well. Must feel good to finally have other people that think like you so that you can come out of the closet now.


Any Trump support in this thread got promptly shot down by Hillary zealots, it's like r/politics. Props to xDaunt for putting up the fight all the way, most other Trump fans just stayed out of this mess.

In fairness, I thought Trump was going to lose, and there are plenty of things about Trump that I don't like notwithstanding the fact that I voted for him.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:32:03
November 09 2016 08:31 GMT
#122075
Well the next 8 years are sure going to be interesting, the world has truly stood up and witnessed history being made and Americans have thrown there trust into a billionaire businessman who probably hasn't made a business decision in 30 years. Oh my!
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:34:38
November 09 2016 08:32 GMT
#122076
On November 09 2016 17:28 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:24 BronzeKnee wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:21 Slaughter wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:16 Scrubwave wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:09 Danglars wrote:
But really, you oversold the malign effects of racism sexism and transphobia,

These are not oversold and please take a good hard look at yourself tonight before you say it again

Look, not everyone wants a Trudeau at the helm of their ship.
Countries face much bigger problems that phobias and isms.

Does the united states actually have that big of problems though?

And just because there are other problems doesn't mean you can sweep bigotry under the rug. It's a huge problem world wide


The US is doing fine. Trump tapped into people FEELING like they were worse off then they were and general unease about the future as well as those who haven't felt the recovery as much.


I think it is funny that Obama in his second term hit all the marks that Romney and Ryan promised the US would be at economically if they won. But the people who carried Trump on the midwest were uneducated. And no that isn't a slight, it is a fact based on exit polling.

And now I will serve to the Trumps Official Promise Watcher for this forum:

Now on the list:

- Jail Hillary.
- Build a wall on the southern border and make Mexico pay for it.

He also said he would audit the Fed. Thats what I'm looking forward to most
I don't think the wall will actually get there, because the return doesn't seem very high.
But an extensive investigation of the Clinton Foundation and Fed are pretty welcome imo.

On November 09 2016 17:29 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone to your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are really working. Hint: taxes is a small thing. Hint 2: your employers are actually going to pay even more fucking taxes.


Nah this will only be temporary, after awhile the market and people will realize life goes on as usual and markets will rebound. Just look at brexit for example.

Just keep an eye on vix index. If it stays high, we'll be in for a tough ride probably. It probably won't though at least after a a few months, just like we saw after Brexit.

Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 08:33 GMT
#122077
On November 09 2016 17:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Quick thing to add, because people will surely look at popular vote...

It's dumb, California would have the weight of half of the US if you did it by popular vote, because they have strong opinions there, meanwhile the results of say California would be meaningless. So even though Trump will likely end with 306, he will lose popular vote. That's fine, because it's only the one state of California where he's losing really hard.

How many Republicans in California would show up to vote for a president that stands no chance of winning a single electoral vote for their effort? Ask NY too. The popular vote disparity is heightened in big states with bigger urban centers because why bother.

Ask yourself what Senatorial choices you had on the ballot the last time you voted for a Senator.
California didn't even have a Republican listed to vote for. Not one. Just your choice of two Democrats.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
November 09 2016 08:33 GMT
#122078
Wow. I knew the US was stupid, but not THAT stupid. I can't believe how there can be so many fools and assholes in a country that's so technologically superior.

User was temp banned for this post.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 09 2016 08:34 GMT
#122079
On November 09 2016 17:33 Xendarii wrote:
Wow. I knew the US was stupid, but not THAT stupid. I can't believe how there can be so many fools and assholes in a country that's so technologically superior.


That's because more than half don't even know how that technology works or progresses their lives.
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Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
November 09 2016 08:34 GMT
#122080
On November 09 2016 17:28 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trump having to learn the trade from Obama the next few months will be awkward


lol. Ebony and Ivory folks.


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