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KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1161 Posts
November 09 2016 08:35 GMT
#122081
What computers will america use, now that Trump will ban all chinese made products or enforce taxes on them?
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 09 2016 08:36 GMT
#122082
On November 09 2016 17:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
What computers will america use, now that Trump will ban all chinese made products or enforce taxes on them?

Finally TI-83's will be the summum of computing power again
Neosteel Enthusiast
Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
November 09 2016 08:36 GMT
#122083
On November 09 2016 17:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:33 Xendarii wrote:
Wow. I knew the US was stupid, but not THAT stupid. I can't believe how there can be so many fools and assholes in a country that's so technologically superior.


That's because more than half don't even know how that technology works or progresses their lives.

Yeah, I mean, it's not even about technology, it's about the fact that the US is a western country with so many chances to educate and inform yourself. There should absolutely be no way for a racist asshole who doesn't know anything about politics or, basically, everything that a president needs, to become president and get the power to use the nuclear weapons of one of the mightiest countries in the world. I'm legitimately afraid and I can't believe how stupid the Americans (not all of them, of course, but A LOT) are.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6288 Posts
November 09 2016 08:36 GMT
#122084
On November 09 2016 17:27 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:25 Laurens wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


Lots of Berniebots voted Trump / didn't vote / voted 3rd party. This is a large part of why Hillary lost the election.

The line of thinking here is that the other way around wouldn't be true (Hillary fans refusing to vote for Bernie if he won the primary)

Corruption played a big part here, that's for sure.


Yeah this is huge, young voters didn't turn out for Clinton like they did for Trump.

This doesn't make sense to me. Sure he'd get the young vote but that wasn't enough in the primaries and not enough for Brexit why would it suddenly be now. He also got destroyed by the black vote in the primary so he's simply trading one for the other. Then I also don't see why people in the centre would go for Sanders. Clinton is the centre candidate yet that was apparently not enough to win vs Trump. Why is Sanders different? It just doesn't add up to me.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
November 09 2016 08:37 GMT
#122085
On November 09 2016 17:33 Xendarii wrote:
Wow. I knew the US was stupid, but not THAT stupid. I can't believe how there can be so many fools and assholes in a country that's so technologically superior.


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When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:41:42
November 09 2016 08:37 GMT
#122086
At least we have a hot first lady am i right?...

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Life?
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 09 2016 08:37 GMT
#122087
Dear Americans thank you for voting for Trump!

Trump is by far the more entertaining choice out of the two. I'am looking forward to comedy and arts comming out of the US in the upcomming years.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:40:01
November 09 2016 08:37 GMT
#122088
On November 09 2016 17:28 RvB wrote:
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On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

Retirement funds also invest on the long term (30+ years). Short term volatility shouldn't affect them too much. Only if this keeps up it'll be bad. The real problem is that premiums paid to retiremwnt funds have been too low for years.

It's not short term volatility if Trump cuts out the trade with China.

Even 20-25 years as a investment horizon for retirement funds is a stretch.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:41:33
November 09 2016 08:38 GMT
#122089
On November 09 2016 17:30 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 16:57 Laurens wrote:
On November 09 2016 16:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
It's very telling that there are so many new voices in the thread today telling everyone how "the liberals" did that or how they knew before or how this is good. It's so easy to commit to something now that you know that 50% of the USA did as well. Must feel good to finally have other people that think like you so that you can come out of the closet now.


Any Trump support in this thread got promptly shot down by Hillary zealots, it's like r/politics. Props to xDaunt for putting up the fight all the way, most other Trump fans just stayed out of this mess.

In fairness, I thought Trump was going to lose, and there are plenty of things about Trump that I don't like notwithstanding the fact that I voted for him.

That's quite telling and says everything about this election. Two horrible choices.

I mean who would want Trump as a neighbour or relative? Now he is the head of your country!
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11918 Posts
November 09 2016 08:38 GMT
#122090
On November 09 2016 17:28 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Quick thing to add, because people will surely look at popular vote...

It's dumb, California would have the weight of half of the US if you did it by popular vote, because they have strong opinions there, meanwhile the results of say California would be meaningless. So even though Trump will likely end with 306, he will lose popular vote. That's fine, because it's only the one state of California where he's losing really hard.


So why do you think that the vote of some people should be worth more than that of others, just because they happen to live in different states?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
November 09 2016 08:39 GMT
#122091
I personally know 3 Trump voters who don't think Trump will do most/all of what he promised. I don't think they even care either way. Their main reason for voting Trump is they simply absolutely HATE Hillary Clinton. I don't really get it, but obviously after tonight its clear that kind of person wasn't rare. I almost feel like Democrats should have seen that coming...
Noidberg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States17 Posts
November 09 2016 08:40 GMT
#122092
On November 09 2016 17:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
What computers will america use, now that Trump will ban all chinese made products or enforce taxes on them?

Finally TI-83's will be the summum of computing power again


Didnt you know this movement was about creating jobs? Who needs a fancy computers when we have mathematicians and snail mail. Who needs cars when we will have horse and buggy.

am i being too tasteless?, ill stop having fun now ;/
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:41:53
November 09 2016 08:40 GMT
#122093
On November 09 2016 17:37 clickrush wrote:
Dear Americans thank you for voting for Trump!

Trump is by far the more entertaining choice out of the two. I'am looking forward to comedy and arts comming out of the US in the upcomming years.


It's like straight out of a Simpsons episode.

But to be frank, I doubt it makes much difference for Europe, maybe it's even the better choice for us. Trump doesn't worry me as Erdogan does, for example.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
November 09 2016 08:41 GMT
#122094
USA finally has a worse president than your average Berlusconi/Rajoy/Le Pen. Took them long enough.
Revolutionist fan
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4999 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:42:00
November 09 2016 08:41 GMT
#122095
Man, how badly would Hillary have lost without Citizens United?

Ok, maybe that's a bit too much bait.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
November 09 2016 08:41 GMT
#122096
--- Nuked ---
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8683 Posts
November 09 2016 08:43 GMT
#122097
On November 09 2016 17:14 RvB wrote:
Where does all this 'Bernie would do better' come from? He lost to Clinton by millions of votes. All he's got going for him is being an outsider and the young vote but that's it. I don't see how it'd make a difference.


He had all his policies going for him and I think he would have been the democratic candidate if:

1. He started his campaign earlier.
2. Had more name recognition.
3. Would have gotten the same amount of news media coverage as Clinton (he got almost none compared to her and Trump).
4. Would have gotten a fair news media coverage (all they did was hammering on his policies as they were the most ridiculous thing ever, yet you have a clown like Trump and a liar like Hillary in the same race...somehow).
5. The democractic party didn't try to play him down with disgusting lies. Watching from outside, the sexist claims for example were completely in line with the niveau clown Trump usually stuck to during his speeches.

I think quite a few protest voters voted for Trump but would have voted for Bernie in the general election. I also think a ton of left wing people, who would have voted for Bernie but didn't vote for Hillary, didn't vote at all or voted third party.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4427 Posts
November 09 2016 08:43 GMT
#122098
Good news guys.
Obamacare is over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
November 09 2016 08:44 GMT
#122099
Its my first time here in this thread and its certainly living up to my expectations (after a few occasional visits in the mass shooting thread)
Jeez what a mess! (The world that is!)
EXTERMINATE!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6288 Posts
November 09 2016 08:44 GMT
#122100
On November 09 2016 17:37 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:28 RvB wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

Retirement funds also invest on the long term (30+ years). Short term volatility shouldn't affect them too much. Only if this keeps up it'll be bad. The real problem is that premiums paid to retiremwnt funds have been too low for years.

It's not short term volatility if Trump cuts out the trade with China.

Even 20-25 years as a investment horizon for retirement funds is a stretch.

Yes if that happens it'll be bad. It hasn't happened yet. We'll need to see how it plays out to make such predictions.
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