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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
November 09 2016 08:44 GMT
#122101
How long before European politicians start tripping over themselves to suck up to Trump?
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 09 2016 08:45 GMT
#122102
On November 09 2016 17:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Good news guys.
Obamacare is over.


Yea that is bad news for a lot of people.
Never Knows Best.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
November 09 2016 08:46 GMT
#122103
On November 09 2016 17:36 Xendarii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:34 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:33 Xendarii wrote:
Wow. I knew the US was stupid, but not THAT stupid. I can't believe how there can be so many fools and assholes in a country that's so technologically superior.


That's because more than half don't even know how that technology works or progresses their lives.

Yeah, I mean, it's not even about technology, it's about the fact that the US is a western country with so many chances to educate and inform yourself. There should absolutely be no way for a racist asshole who doesn't know anything about politics or, basically, everything that a president needs, to become president and get the power to use the nuclear weapons of one of the mightiest countries in the world. I'm legitimately afraid and I can't believe how stupid the Americans (not all of them, of course, but A LOT) are.


The US is such a huge country with a very diverse population. A person living in Nebraska or Kansas has a completely different life to someone in NYC on a scale that is very different to any other country.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:47:36
November 09 2016 08:46 GMT
#122104
Really weird these charts they come up with.
The similarities between this and brexit are just bizarre.[image loading]
[image loading]
Also that 538 article saying the cubs have as much chance of winning the world series as trump does of becoming president (when they were down 3-1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
November 09 2016 08:46 GMT
#122105
On November 09 2016 17:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

if you think looking at a small snapshot (i.e., a few days) is in any way a reasonable way to handle investing, you have no business investing for yourself, or giving others investment advice. retirement funds should not be readjusting anything, private investors should not be readjusting anything, in light of what has happened today. to do so is folly and people will only lose money. stay the course.

there is a great quote (paraphrased): there are two kind of people, those who know they cant predict the market, and those who dont know they cant predict the market. your statement that "today is nothing compared to what's to come" is completely useless. i hope no one is foolish enough to believe your doom and gloom, or worse, act on it.

Oh, please, it might not have occured to you, but that's the losing strategy in the bear market, lol.

I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 08:48 GMT
#122106
On November 09 2016 17:35 KT_Elwood wrote:
What computers will america use, now that Trump will ban all chinese made products or enforce taxes on them?

Very expensive and possibly unaffordable ones.

On November 09 2016 17:37 clickrush wrote:
Dear Americans thank you for voting for Trump!

Trump is by far the more entertaining choice out of the two. I'am looking forward to comedy and arts comming out of the US in the upcomming years.

Don't forget journalism. Reporters remember how to be critical when there's a Republican in the White House.

That is, when they're done doing the self-serving post-defeat analysis of why they really really really wanted to be in the White House instead but a bunch of illiterate racists deplorables people we just can't understand yet we'll get back to you came out in droves. You can confirm on big journo twitter accounts. Today's excusable, all the polls were wrong, tomorrow you can confirm the shock and awe when they don't discover America can't be that sexist and racist to award 300+ EC votes to Trump in areas that were Democrat strongholds for ages (you don't really want to demean the same voters you want to win back in two years time. It's a little awkward apologizing for calling you a racist).
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
November 09 2016 08:48 GMT
#122107
On November 09 2016 17:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

if you think looking at a small snapshot (i.e., a few days) is in any way a reasonable way to handle investing, you have no business investing for yourself, or giving others investment advice. retirement funds should not be readjusting anything, private investors should not be readjusting anything, in light of what has happened today. to do so is folly and people will only lose money. stay the course.

there is a great quote (paraphrased): there are two kind of people, those who know they cant predict the market, and those who dont know they cant predict the market. your statement that "today is nothing compared to what's to come" is completely useless. i hope no one is foolish enough to believe your doom and gloom, or worse, act on it.

Oh, please, it might not have occured to you, but that's the losing strategy in the bear market, lol.



Uhhhhh if you're doing any adjusting it should be to buy more tomorrow. Otherwise you will be perfectly executing the buy high- sell low strategy.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:59:13
November 09 2016 08:49 GMT
#122108
On November 09 2016 17:44 zeo wrote:
How long before European politicians start tripping over themselves to suck up to Trump?


Ugh don't even start. I know I will once again be looking for signs of the rejection of Americanism in our upcoming elections. The whole situation is just so depressing.

Edit: the more I think about the mismatch between the "established polls" and the actual results, it seems to me the this mismatch reflects the problem between the "establishment" and the actual people.


On November 09 2016 17:57 Lazare1969 wrote:
If you're a Trump supporter, it's too early for any celebration. He might just flipflop his foreign policy views once he's president due to pressure from his advisors and the Deep State (military industrial complex, oil companies, CIA, AIPAC, etc.) and just be another George Bush.


This is why there should have been a massive third party vote this election, but maybe the media decided Trump would get them more views.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 09 2016 08:49 GMT
#122109
On November 09 2016 17:45 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Good news guys.
Obamacare is over.


Yea that is bad news for a lot of people.

I really cannot speak for the rest of the US only my state. But forced healthcare here made finding jobs a really difficult task. My hate for Obamacare aside, no longe ris it possible to get directly hired by ANYONE, first one must go through a temp service, which either A) does not offer health insurance or B) has it at such a high rate on top of taxes + the fee they already take i'd be better off working a fucking mcdonalds or something.

Even the biggest thing to come out of this shithole Lowe's which hires directly wont give you more than 20 hours just because our state doesnt require them to give health care if you dont reach a certain thresh hold, absolute bullshit. Meaning i must go to a 3rd party, which is expensive as fuck on top of the fact i don't get hours at the job anyway, or not get it at all and get a huge fine at the end of the year.

Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
November 09 2016 08:49 GMT
#122110
as a person living close to middle eastern bullshit swamp I'm happy with the election result. Because Hillary getting elected would mean the same US bullshit thats been going for more than a decade (giving weapons to local terrorist groups, using them to fight proxy wars, supporting them with airstrikes). At least with Trump there's a slight hope something may change, probably won't but...
Age of Mythology forever!
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 09 2016 08:51 GMT
#122111
On November 09 2016 17:48 Vin{MBL} wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
On November 09 2016 17:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
To all people who say Trump presidency won't hurt them go and phone your retirements funds.

Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are working. Hint: taxes is a small thing.

please sell all your stock so i can buy it. and in a few years, i will be rich, and you will be poor. im willing to bet my retirement on it.

Thank you for showcasing me the lack of the average financial literacy. The thing is: retirement funds can't readjust their investment strategies the way private investors can. They live and die by the market. And markets will be falling, today is nothing compared to what's to come.

if you think looking at a small snapshot (i.e., a few days) is in any way a reasonable way to handle investing, you have no business investing for yourself, or giving others investment advice. retirement funds should not be readjusting anything, private investors should not be readjusting anything, in light of what has happened today. to do so is folly and people will only lose money. stay the course.

there is a great quote (paraphrased): there are two kind of people, those who know they cant predict the market, and those who dont know they cant predict the market. your statement that "today is nothing compared to what's to come" is completely useless. i hope no one is foolish enough to believe your doom and gloom, or worse, act on it.

Oh, please, it might not have occured to you, but that's the losing strategy in the bear market, lol.



Uhhhhh if you're doing any adjusting it should be to buy more tomorrow. Otherwise you will be perfectly executing the buy high- sell low strategy.

to be fair, you should also be tax loss harvesting, but i dont really consider that an adjustment if you are actually doing it correctly.

i dont know ForTehDarkseid, but i am 105% sure he/she is not qualified to give investment advice.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 09 2016 08:51 GMT
#122112
I just hope that Trump turns around and releases a lot of government secrets after his meeting with Obama and the rest of the agencies. I mean, that's the lease he can do for everyone.
Life?
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
November 09 2016 08:52 GMT
#122113
On November 09 2016 17:39 DannyJ wrote:
I personally know 3 Trump voters who don't think Trump will do most/all of what he promised. I don't think they even care either way. Their main reason for voting Trump is they simply absolutely HATE Hillary Clinton. I don't really get it, but obviously after tonight its clear that kind of person wasn't rare. I almost feel like Democrats should have seen that coming...


They should of. Such hubris by the Democratic leadership. Hear the news stories about them fighting over who will be appointed in hypothetical Clinton Administration, well good news, nothing to fight over anymore! Democrats nominated probably the one candidate that could lose to Trump, who was the one person she could beat. An extraordinary unpopular candidate who had active FBI investigations. Regardless of the fact she was cleared, the fact she was investigated alone should of made her step down for the good of the party.

BUT NOPE, WE ARE FINE AND THE DEMOCRATIC "LEADERSHIP" AT THE DNC FELL OFF A CLIFF
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 09 2016 08:53 GMT
#122114
On November 09 2016 17:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just hope that Trump turns around and releases a lot of government secrets after his meeting with Obama and the rest of the agencies. I mean, that's the lease he can do for everyone.

I'm sure he will do that right after releasing his tax returns. Maximum transparency is what he stands for after all. Lul.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
November 09 2016 08:53 GMT
#122115
On November 09 2016 17:51 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I just hope that Trump turns around and releases a lot of government secrets after his meeting with Obama and the rest of the agencies. I mean, that's the lease he can do for everyone.

Why? Because he is a man of principle? I am sorry, it's not Ron Paul in office.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11605 Posts
November 09 2016 08:55 GMT
#122116
would mean the same US bullshit thats been going for more than a decade (giving weapons to local terrorist groups, using them to fight proxy wars,

Were you supporting the Paul's? Because I think Trump is just as much not the droids you are looking for. Whereas both Ron and Rand were very consistent abou not wanting foreign interventions, but as far as I could tell, not the most popular positions most any of the debates that they participated in.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
November 09 2016 08:57 GMT
#122117
If you're a Trump supporter, it's too early for any celebration. He might just flipflop his foreign policy views once he's president due to pressure from his advisors and the Deep State (military industrial complex, oil companies, CIA, AIPAC, etc.) and just be another George Bush.
6 trillion
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 08:59:54
November 09 2016 08:59 GMT
#122118
On November 09 2016 17:13 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 17:09 Danglars wrote:
But really, you oversold... the malign effects of racism sexism and transphobia,

These are not oversold and please take a good hard look at yourself tonight before you say it again


The fact that most of the so called good and educated ppl are thinking these are the core reasons of Trump's elections is why the far right wing is so strong.
You should look over the inequality, the crisis, the social conditions who become more and more difficults.The absolutely contempt that the white trash receive, the way there are treated at works, under the constant threat of losing their jobs with less and less rights to defend it, the way workers are treated is just horrible.
But hey, you can keep being smug and blind, there are no problems about that, anything that the international bourgeoisie dislikes seems friendly to me and I am not the only one apparently.
2005 french referendum
2015 greece referendum
2016 Brexit
2016 Trump election
And I feel like this is just a beginning. You will manage to invalidate the brexit but that would not stop the processus. A more social and equal economical policy? Yeah, it would but billionaires already pay too much taxes right?
Maybe you should start ask to question this world outside the community aspect.

By the way, even if Trump has nothing to do with the working class, he manages to incarnate himself as an opponent of the globalisation, that's the thing.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 09:00:48
November 09 2016 08:59 GMT
#122119
On November 09 2016 17:57 Lazare1969 wrote:
If you're a Trump supporter, it's too early for any celebration. He might just flipflop his foreign policy views once he's president due to pressure from his advisors and the Deep State (military industrial complex, oil companies, CIA, AIPAC, etc.) and just be another George Bush.

Still better than Hillary who would have been a Putin puppet through and through. Trump can actually end conflicts in the World and keep the balance.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 09:00:04
November 09 2016 08:59 GMT
#122120
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 09 2016 17:46 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Really weird these charts they come up with.
The similarities between this and brexit are just bizarre.[image loading]
[image loading]
Also that 538 article saying the cubs have as much chance of winning the world series as trump does of becoming president (when they were down 3-1)



The one thing I couldn't care less about. The fear of wall street capitalists about the donald trump capitalism causing them to lose capital. The whole bizzare neoliberal system in a nutshell. Enough is enough!
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