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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 09 2016 06:15 GMT
#121621
On November 09 2016 15:14 hunts wrote:
Any chance the electoral college will do it's job and pick Hillary anyway, given how dangerous trump is to our country?

No. There really isn't anything else to do at this point. Just prepare for the storm.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 09 2016 06:15 GMT
#121622
Pennsylvania in favor of Trump at 1% with 97% reporting and no one's calling it
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
November 09 2016 06:16 GMT
#121623
On November 09 2016 14:49 LegalLord wrote:
I was going to say that first thing the Hillary camp would do is blame Bernie voters for not getting behind her... but it seems I was late to the punch. It's already happening.


I attended a voting party or whatever, and this happened pretty damn fast. It was disgusting.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 09 2016 06:16 GMT
#121624
On November 09 2016 15:14 hunts wrote:
Any chance the electoral college will do it's job and pick Hillary anyway, given how dangerous trump is to our country?


No the opposite is likely to happen; Clinton should get the popular vote, but not the electoral.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 09 2016 06:16 GMT
#121625
On November 09 2016 15:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 15:01 BigFan wrote:
So, what's the hold up? It's been at least an hour and Michigan isn't confirmed yet? Nothing on the other states too?

PA would be the state that makes the call here. Michigan is possible for Clinton, NH is within 0.1% but once PA is called (even if she wins PA it's still just the 269 scenario and she loses that) it's over.

So just wait for the last 2% from PA.

it's past 1 here. I just want some confirmation to go sleep lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 06:16 GMT
#121626
Imagine if Biden had decided to run and picked Sanders as a VP.

Biden understood exactly what was happening and was surrounded by people who refused to see or didn't understand it.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 09 2016 06:17 GMT
#121627

Cute. Except, wrong. Because clearly, after Hitler was "elected", we're not talking a Democracy anymore, do we now. Sidenote: please don't try to lecture me in german history.


You're obviously lacking in critical thinking skills, so I'm just going to stop here.



That doesn't make it less stupid of a statement.


I don't think you understand the statement you were originally responding to.

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A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4773 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 06:18:19
November 09 2016 06:17 GMT
#121628
I enjoy seeing some Democrats go with "she wasn't progressive enough." It's a mirror image of what I've heard for a long time now!

And Obama is going to go scorched earth in lame duck. Incoming executive actions.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 09 2016 06:18 GMT
#121629
On November 09 2016 15:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Imagine if Biden had decided to run and picked Sanders as a VP.

Biden understood exactly what was happening and was surrounded by people who refused to see or didn't understand it.


he would have utterly destroyed trump with decency and the same appeal to working class voters. Biden is thinking about what could have been, Obama is thinking how did we let clinton become the nominee, bernie is thinking what the fuck I sold out for this shit
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 09 2016 06:18 GMT
#121630
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2016 06:18 GMT
#121631
On November 09 2016 15:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Pennsylvania in favor of Trump at 1% with 97% reporting and no one's calling it

it's not even like in Michigan where you can argue that there's still huge pockets of Clinton votes left. If anything it's going to stay that way or get even bigger of a Trump lead in PA
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
November 09 2016 06:18 GMT
#121632
On November 09 2016 15:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Imagine if Biden had decided to run and picked Sanders as a VP.

Biden understood exactly what was happening and was surrounded by people who refused to see or didn't understand it.

this man speaks truth. would have been a landslide
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
November 09 2016 06:19 GMT
#121633
On November 09 2016 14:55 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:52 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:49 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On November 09 2016 14:43 m4ini wrote:
Is there any information about voter turnout, especially age groups?

I wonder if Bernie would've done better than Hillary. In all fairness though, Trump by "definition" was hard to beat, mainly because he justified his open racism etc by telling people "i'm just not politically correct" - and people swallowed that. There's a huge amount of people who reacted/voted based on that alone, regardless of his "policies".

I just wonder if the DNC fucked themselves by fucking Bernie.

Bernie bros fucked themselves by voting for third party canidates or not voting. And Hillary had 3 million more votes, so its not like they went against the will of the people. Plus Bernie has plenty of skeletons in his closet like his writing about sex and woman, he and his wife bakrupting a college, his praise for soviet russia or his honey moon there.


And as you can see, clearly the capacity to be attacked by opponents makes you fare worse than Clinton, to the point that it's unquestionable he would have lost his, what, 50+ lead in likeability.

And as you can see, no one attacking Bernie has made him look far more favorable than he would if Clinton hadn't used the kid gloves with him or what he would have faced in a general election.

At least as a straight white dude who can afford college this doesn't hurt me nearly as much as the Bernie bros who decided this election with their protest votes, so I get 4 years+ of telling them they did this to themselves.


It takes something special to lose to Trump. You can decide to blame it on the berniebros if that makes you feel better. I'm going to focus on the conscious choice to elect a candidate that's hated as much as Trump over a candidate that is perceived more positively than negatively.

I mean third party voters won Trump Florida Arizona Michigan and Wisconson and more, so yeah its their fault.

Trump voters won Trump. Every vote for a third party over Hillary is one more vote she needed to win. Every vote for Trump over Hillary is two more votes she needed to win. If we're gonna attack a group for the Trump victory then how about we look at the deplorable half of the country.


I agree completely. It's not Bernie supporters. It's not independent voters. People have the right to vote for whoever they want. The people who got Trump elected are the people who voted for Trump.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
November 09 2016 06:19 GMT
#121634
On November 09 2016 15:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Imagine if Biden had decided to run and picked Sanders as a VP.

Biden understood exactly what was happening and was surrounded by people who refused to see or didn't understand it.

I'd vote for that ticket without a second thought
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 06:19 GMT
#121635
On November 09 2016 15:17 Introvert wrote:
I enjoy seeing some Democrats go with "she wasn't progressive enough." It's a mirror image of what I've heard for a long time now!

And Obama is going to go scorched earth in lame duck. Incoming executive actions.

Can you imagine, Obama handing the House, then the Senate, then the Presidency to Republicans.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6286 Posts
November 09 2016 06:20 GMT
#121636
On November 09 2016 15:18 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2016 15:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Pennsylvania in favor of Trump at 1% with 97% reporting and no one's calling it

it's not even like in Michigan where you can argue that there's still huge pockets of Clinton votes left. If anything it's going to stay that way or get even bigger of a Trump lead in PA

Clinton got >80% in philly, she must have lost big time in the rest of the state
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 09 2016 06:20 GMT
#121637
and to think that I almost drunk-betted Trump with a 7:1 odd ...

could have been a new car
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 09 2016 06:20 GMT
#121638
On November 09 2016 15:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Pennsylvania in favor of Trump at 1% with 97% reporting and no one's calling it

I'm showing 55k with 2% left unseen.

Republicans did win the Senate race in PA, confirming Senate in our hands.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-09 06:21:01
November 09 2016 06:20 GMT
#121639
It also looks more likely that Clinton will win the popular vote and Trump the Electoral College.

Expect more and more backlash against the Electoral College in the coming years.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 09 2016 06:21 GMT
#121640
On November 09 2016 15:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Imagine if Biden had decided to run and picked Sanders as a VP.

Biden understood exactly what was happening and was surrounded by people who refused to see or didn't understand it.

It just was not possible. The whole system smells rigged when looking through the leaked DNC and Podesta emails. Behind the scenes, people were pushed around to make it so only Clinton could be the nominee.
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